Study: Remote working benefits fathers while childless men miss sense of community

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• FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Stop the fuck with “sense of community” and other crap.

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  • flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m starting to understand that many people never felt the sense of community, in the workplace or otherwise. Yes it’s possible.

    The trick is that it doesn’t depend on the company, it depends on the people. Last time it happened to me, we pretty much all quit together because we were frustrated at the company but kept being friends afterwards.

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  • IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Not everyone hates love like you do. I hang out with co-workers all the time.

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    • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Not everyone hates life like you do

      🙄

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    • leftzero@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Not everyone hates life like you do

      Work isn’t life.

      It’s the opposite of life (no, death is just its absence).

      hang out with co-workers all the time

      Bonding over shared trauma and Stockholm syndrome is not a good basis for a relationship (though there’s probably no relationship other than you pestering them while they try to work).

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  • mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    after studying mostly from home for 3 years, I’m very happy to be working on-site. feels a lot less lonely.

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• last_philosopher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  For me WFH has helped me have a community. The office was never a real community, and the fact that we all worked together got in the way of being actual friends. Instead with the added time from WFH I was able to prioritize my social life and go to more events and meet people I actually have stuff in common with.

  Of course probably not everyone prioritized that. The office might be good for some people, but for people like me who don’t necessarily socialize at the office very easily WFH is much better for community.

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• suswrkr@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  what is this study? why does the article not link to it and the data? what is the sample size, located where? waste of time post, downvoted.

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  • infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s propaganda.

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  • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s a finnish gov:t newspaper reporting on a gov:t study.

    Here’s the link:

    ttl.fi/…/the-benefits-of-remote-work-are-not-equa…

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• SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Nah there’s no propaganda that will get people to think working in the office every day is in any way better to having freedom again

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• pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  They miss the sense of community because we no longer have 3rd places to hang out. For those unaware:

  The Great Places Erased by Suburbia (the Third Place)
  yewtu.be/watch?v=VvdQ381K5xg
  youtu.be/VvdQ381K5xg

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• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Mmmm I am a childless man, and I live by myself, and I am 100% cool with that, and feel fine. But to be fair, I’ve got a pretty good circle of friends, and a really strong core friend group.

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• FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  For a lot of disabled people it’s remote work or starve to death.

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• Makhno@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I work in a bar, and I love seeing most of my coworkers. I obviously can’t speak on the WFH aspect, as it’d be impossible for me, but enjoying the company of the people you work with isn’t a foreign concept, especially in the service industry

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• cholesterol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Would they equally write ‘mothers’ vs. ‘childless women’ in another article about remote work, I wonder.

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  • npcknapsack@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’d be mothers and single women, most likely.

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• ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Why can’t your workers be your workers, your family be your family, your friends be your friends?

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• captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Fathers versus childless men, rather than husbands vs unmarried men. Telling.

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What does it tell

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    • lemmyknow@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s clearly telling that the study is looking at men with regards to their possession of a child or an infant of some kind, rather than regarding wether they take part in some sort of commited marital relationship or partnership

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  • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s a wildly different thing, though.

    Married vs. unmarried means you have a companion, but you still got the same demands on your life as before. You might have to arrange schedules, but that’s about it. Your day has just as much free time as before, you can stay out just as long as before and your social opportunities aren’t restricted due to the fact that you are married.

    In fact, there’s no difference at all between married vs. unmarried and in a relationship vs single. Getting married changes nothing in that regard.

    Having kids, on the other hand, changes everything. Now your social activities are limited by your responsibilities towards the child(ren). Can’t stay out until 2am if you know the kids will be awake at 7am and will wake you up 3 times in between. Can’t take a random day off and do a day trip if the kid needs to be at school that day. Can’t visit friends after work together with your partner if the kid needs to be in bed at 7pm. It’s a massive limiter on social opportunities.

    At the same time, spending time with the kids is pretty great in its own right, and that’s what the article touches upon. If you are married but don’t have kids, you might get your fill with your partner after work. If you have 5h or so every day with your partner from getting back from work until going to bed, that’s a ton of quality time.

    But if you return from work at 5pm and the kids go to bed at 7pm, then pretty much all the interaction you get is eating and preparing the kids for bed.

    As a father, working from home means I can see my kids grow up, especially in their earlier years. It means I was there when they took their first steps. I’m there when they start talking. I can actually spend time with them, get close to them, be part of them growing up. I’m there when they cry, when they say the funniest stuff. You know, be with them when it matters.

    With my wife, on the other hand, as much as I love her, I’m not going to miss a ton of really important things if I’m not around her 24/7. On the contrary, she’s happy for any bit of actual alone time she gets.

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• ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I’ve been working from home with my older family members since COVID started and I’ve been pretty happy since it’s always been my goal. I’ve also had a knee injury for the past 3 weeks, and it’s potentially prevented me from making it worse, and allowed me to continue working. I’ve almost been working remotely for the majority of my career, which is kind of cool to think about. I like working from home, but I understand not everyone likes it.

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• ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  romcom idea: childless man has crush on childed man. he’s raring to come back to work to hang out with hot dad man, but the latter is forced to work remotely.

  the whole plot swivels around how they get around the lack of opportunities to be together.

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  • Endmaker@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    keep cooking

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• lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I would love to work remote, but the nature of my job kinda conflicts with that (field service engineer).

  That said, I actually like my coworkers quite a lot (there’s only 4 of us). This is the first place I’ve worked where I genuinely feel like we all care about each other’s well-being. I was in the hospital for a few days back in March and they texted periodically just to check how I was doing. Wishing each other happy father’s day/birthday/anniversary/etc, congratulating baby births, invited to kids’ birthday parties, and other things of that nature. Not just surface-level stuff, either. I would hang out with these guys.

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• rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s not about remote vs office work, but working remotely all the time reminds particularly painfully about not having a SO or many friends. When working from office, covertly texting a good acquaintance 2-3 times a day kinda replaces that. When at home, you could do much more of that, or probably bunch together to work, but you don’t. Just sit there, smell your socks, sip tea, get distracted for nothing good, and feel how your life passes into abyss. When in office, you at least have the stress of many loud people around to distract you from that.

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    When in office, you at least have the stress of many loud people around to distract you from that.

    You hear yourself and you can spot the issue, right?

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yes, the issue is that those loud people are also distracting you from work.

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  • KingGordon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Dude you need to up your life a bit. Dontchathink?

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• peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  And then I’m a single father, so I’m just fucked!

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• altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  As a childless asocial workaholic with some degree of toxicity that LinkedIn bastard probably dream of, my performance heavily depended on the importance of the task. WFH let me be more passionate about some projects and papers that I used all benefits of cutting commute, was way less distracted and motivated. But bullshit paperwork, letters, chats and reports lagged even further behind than they did in the office, right up to the deadline. Sometimes because I did the work itself instead and no one looked over my shoulder.

  For me RTOing into a nearly-empty building in the off-season when most take vacations was the most dumb idea, and since it was a typical rule-for-thee, I had almost none supervison, was arriving late, leaving early and put a shit ton of hours into various MMOs. The complete opposite to what I did in a brief moments of quarantine. Look, jerks, you paid me to level my chars, that’s what you wanted?

  I think like in a trust-based environment clocking in is unnecessary and various bosses over time did get it, I payed back by reporting stuff myself so they were sure I’m on it at any given time. Like we are actually a team of some sort, they do their stuff, I do mine, we pass things to each other etc. The others were completely disconnected from empoyees and to compensate their inability to trust, got high on controlling shit, were sending down teamworking events, talking about being a family or other sectarian career manager bullshit, relied on and encouraged snitching on each other. These were the positions I nailed down to me clocking out and stop giving a fuck, before eventually leaving.

  And for coworkers: they either do their work, or leave it to others, and I rarely GAF about other characteristics. The high stress environment of labor is not where I prefer to socialise, nor I’m in the mood to. I crave work-related communications that makes all objectives clear and obvious, work-related stories I can learn from, you know, the stuff I came here for, and not a social club with gossips, drama and all that. If I’m given 2hrs+ from not riding to your building, I can have two socializations and a half if I want to. The exhaustion it causes not only helps but prevents me from going out with friends, and I’m double pissed that some bosses make an act like that’s better for their workers while not giving them any agency and doing it solely for themselves.

  Rant: over.

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