Submitted 3 weeks ago by 721_bipsty@lemmy.ml to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
When you see something has too much up or down votes, does this change your point of view? Also how many people hides votes and etc?
It depends, once I got like 20 upvotes and it was amazing to think them at 70% of Lemmy users read and agreed with my post!
Not really. Someone will disagree with me eventually, but that doesn’t mean I’m interested in debating or earning their approval somehow.
It lets me feel like my time here is being useful if I get the upvotes. I try to limit myself to positive/fun/helpful posts or adding additional facts from other articles to someone’s post of I feel more info is needed to get a full story, so if people reply or at least upvote, it feels like it was worth adding my contribution. If my humor/help isn’t needed or wanted in a place, I don’t want to both waste my time and annoy people.
Upvoted 🙂
Yay! Validation! 😁
They’re helpful to determine the general community’s take on something, even if there is little other engagement.
And if I’m being honest, getting upvotes is a sweet hit of dopamine. But I try to keep things in perspective.
I’m on an instance that only federates upvotes so I don’t really think about downvotes or know if I am getting them.
Yes. Downvotes allow a well educated community to bury misinformation
Or an uneducated community to bury real information 😆
We shouldn’t allow uneducated people to participate in our communities
I disagree, downvotes come free but replies are expensive, when downvotes are disabled you instead have replies that debunk you
You only encourage dogpiling when downvotes are available
I only care when I’m making a post, to help judge how people liked it. I don’t pay attention to points inside threads really.
No, not at all. When you get a ton of downvotes but zero responses, assuming you didn’t just post literal nonsense, I consider it proof I’m correct it’s just a truth people don’t like. When you’re wrong people will downvote you and tell you why, which should be a learning experience that a person should be humble enough to accept but just downvotes or responses only attacking you not you points is pure validation you’re speaking an uncomfortable truth
And when someone spins up 3 entire instances to create accounts to downvote you, you know you’re right.
I don’t care about the rating on other people’s content. On my own I only care so far as to use it as a guideline for whether I actually was interesting.
On reddit I was a trolling karma whore, but here? Here I’m much more about engaging with people and getting 3 upvotes tells me that I gave the community something meaningful.
Yes, but actually no.
If someone else is downvoted but seems to have posted in good faith or as a joke it means there is probably something I am missing. Maybe they are serious when I think it is a joke, or there is some context that is news to me.
If I have a commwnt that is downvoted significantly (like ten or more down than up, or only down) then I double check to see if I was unclear or maybe a joke didn’t land. Mostly to make sure my intent came though.
If I clarify something and people just don’t agree with it because they don’t see the same nuance then I do think about it a but and come back later to see if maybe I was wrong or everyone else is a dumbass. Most of the time it is me not being clear enough. If they are dumbasses, oh well.
I also feel happy when a good comment gets upvoted to double digits. That is a nice feeling.
Thats not what downvotes are.
Downvotes aren’t for disagreeing. Its for misinformation, hate speech, etc.
I use my post/comment history (and saves) as a way to know what threads to go check in on later. And I get a kick out of seeing a lot of upvotes and dislike seeing anything in negative territory. But I don’t have votes in mind when I post.
When I see someone downvoted for no good reason, I tend to support them; upvotes don’t sway me at all. My own stuff I see votes as a guide to how well I fit a community (except in one controversial group which attracts down votes – there voters are meaningless
I prefer to see both numbers rather than the sum. The variance sort of gives a 'controversial' score. Can't get that with PieFed yet, but I prefer the deduplication of PieFed over the split scores on Voyager.
is piefed alternative to lemmy?
It's much the same. Lemmy and PieFed talk to each other no worries.
It does all the same things but has some additional features as well. The killer feature for me is merging duplicate posts so you only see them once but with all the comments stacked underneath.
I dont think it changes my pov, but it def does for other people on a large scale
you could say the same message in different parts of the same thread, and by chance one will accumulate more downvotes and one will accumulate more upvotes
for example: sh.itjust.works/post/39444493/18993947 and sh.itjust.works/post/39444493/18993522 say the same thing, but one has 42 updates and 8 downvotes and one has 120 downvotes to 23 upvotes
people need to stop looking at these numbers
Yes. It tells me if there’s any engagement.
I think there should be a “equivocal” vote.
I think that’s what boost was supposed to be for, or was that just on kbin.
Usually no, unless I’ve left a reply disagreeing then someone else comes along and downvotes them, makes me look like an ass who downvotes anyone I disagree with. I also check my own comments to see if people agree with me but I’ll keep the comment up either way, if I do change my mind I’d rather leave a new comment or add stuff in an edit.
It’s not too difficult to bot votes on lemmy so they’re even more pointless than they are on reddit.
To me, it’s a way to quantify how other people feel about my own positions. It’s neither good nor bad to be upvoted or downvoted. People have unpopular takes sometimes and you shouldn’t stake your identity on the amount of upvotes or downvotes you have.
Instead, upvotes and downvotes are most useful for other people to guage comments. Generally speaking, if a comment is universally downvoted, that likely means the position is unpopular enough that it adds no value to a discussion, and is therefore not worth engaging with.
I consider it to be a system built upon mutual understanding - that you don’t have to seriously engage with everyone’s viewpoints, and conversely, that nobody has to seriously engage with yours.
It becomes a problem when upvotes and downvotes are gamified like on Reddit, because Goodhart’s Law demands that it stops serving its purpose when people are only attempting to optimize their upvote/downvote ratio.
I check my downvotes every so often to see if I’ve made an ass of myself.
Thankfully, people often explain they’re downvotes here, so I tend to learn something.
If I haven’t internalized whatever it is, I’ll find that their still downvoting me, so I get another chance to improve there opinion of me.
I downvoted because of the thing
I’m onto you’re plan
Downvoting for “they’re, there, their” gore, mark it NSFL next time sheesh
Good point. I’ve invented a new tag - Not Safe for Grammar.
I pretty much always win with votes. If I get upvotes, I think someone appreciated it. If someone downvotes, I think they’re a hater.
I won’t lie though; my adhd ass checks way too often in a desperate search for dopamine.
Down votes are useful for estimating the exactly how badly damaged the sense of humour in the community is.
Usually, no. Not for myself or others. Too many people vote emotionally for them to be useful feedback in most situations.
They also aren’t useful in short time frames on lemmy. I’ve lost track of how many people get whiny about votes, but they just didn’t wait for things to balance out. It’s lemmy, shit takes hours to spread and get seen, especially since not everyone sorts by new. Chill the fuck out.
But sometimes, they can be a warning sign, or an indicator of a successful comment/post. And other times, they can help realize you posted or commented in the wrong place.
I’d be lying if I said I didn’t care.
Its human nature, its encoded in our dna, in the past, social ostrization means death, so that feeling of “not wanting to get socially ostricized” persisted to modern day.
Btw you can actually see who downvoted you with lemvotes.org, to see if they are actually real users or just bots/trolls.
I usually just assume any amount of downvotes between 1-5 to be bots/trolls. For upvotes, not getting upvotes doesn’t matter as long as I don’t get downvoted. I try to ignore votes, but like, my monkey brain just can’t stop being curious about the score. 🤷♂️
There’s also that fear of weirdos start trying to dox you if they didn’t like something you said. Like “I dislike Linux” for example (not my actual opinion, but like imagine if someone said that, they’d get fucking downvoted to hell and stalked around the fediverse)
As for other user’s scores: Seeing upvotes/downvotes on other user’s posts/comments does not really change my agreement/disagreement of their statements
When in comes to my own posts and comments, my trust in vague negative reactions is long gone.
Some things that made me more suspicious of Lemmy users:
For me, taking online feedback less seriously was a big part of growing up.
I like to say it doesn’t change my view, but it probably does more than I realize. Everyone likes to think they’re immune to stuff like that, but we really aren’t.
wow, first time i see gif as profile pic :D yeah i disabled like 2 days ago votes and now i have actually no idea what comment on this post can have down or up votes and truly it feels nice, I recommend it to everybody
I pay almost no attention to the scores on other people’s posts, but admittedly, I do sometimes feel disheartened when I see what I consider an extremist view getting heavily upvoted. As for downvotes, I have those hidden, so in that sense, they’re a non-factor for me. But you’re asking whether I care. Of course I care and anyone claiming otherwise is lying. We’re social animals - we care what others think of us. That’s why I hid the downvotes in the first place: so they wouldn’t affect me. Mean comments are enough to deal with; I don’t need to hear the audience booing too.
My perhaps unpopular opinion is that while the voting system itself should remain, the scores should be hidden for everyone - and I mean both upvotes and downvotes. Downvotes don’t mean you’re wrong, and upvotes don’t mean you’re right. They’re just indicators of how popular your opinion is with the audience. That dynamic encourages people to self-censor unpopular views and, conversely, to post meaningless one-liners just for the applause.
I don’t usually feel one way or the other about other people’s upvotes/downvotes.
But I try to use my upvotes/downvotes as a barometer for how well something I posted or commented on was received by the community. If I’m being massively downvoted, I will try to consider what about my post or comment warranted the negative reaction, and I might reconsider what I said, or at least how I said it. If something is upvoted, it does give me the warm fuzzies knowing that other people agreed with, or enjoyed, my content.
uuuuh, yeah. I usually assume that if I get a lot of downvotes or a comment I agree with gets a lot of downvotes, then my opinion must be wrong.
On the other hand, if something I am not sure about gets upvoted, then it’s probably good. I trust others more.
Probably not a good thing, but I don’t trust myself with opinions. Though it’s not completely black and white either. It depends on where it is, who’s giving majority of replies*, and some bit of reconsideration (e.g.: is it logical, is it harmful).
But in the end, it does shape my opinions into what I believe is “more correct”.
Certain (more serious) decision-making for opinions may however take me 24 hours or even more. This helps me to balance out the effects of morning vs night-time emotional state**, which differs more with lack of sleep. If even then I am undecided, the upvotes win it and I take it as my own opinion.
:::spoiler Asterisks
* There’s a priority to trustworthiness. For example, lemmy.blahaj.zone has a high level of trustworthiness while hexbear.net ranks low. Let’s say there is something I agree with, but it is downvoted to hell. However, most replies are from hexbear.net or lemmy.ml with negative tone. In this case, I won’t really consider the votes, since I don’t know who they are from, but likely largely influenced by these 2.
Now on the other hand, say there is something I disagree with. However it is highly upvoted and most replies are from lemmy.blahaj.zone with positive tone. In this case, my opinion is most likely shit and needs to be reconsidered.
** Most of the time, in the morning I am influenced by negative emotions while at night I am influenced by… also mostly negative emotions, but this time towards myself rather than others. Late night can be fairly positive at times, however.
Generally speaking…
Morning: Anger, feeling of 100% rightfulness, feeling of higher importance, not caring about others
Night: Sadness, feeling of being wrong in everything, worthlessness, wanting to be useful, thoughts of suicide, highly affected by music
Midnight (sometimes): Spike in productivity, positivity, will to do things
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ive watch luke smith and he talks alot that we shouldnt be emotionally linked to social medias, hiding likes and etc might kinda help?
Yes and no. The same comment on different communities can have vastly different results, so I think it’s too easy to just “justify” why the ratios you don’t agree with are there, while the ones you do are obviously “fair”
Yes, sometimes I say some stupid shit and other people correct me. Sometimes it’s the reverse. We all keep each other accountable.
I also like that, but I’m not as fond of when the correction is immediately aggressive, dismissive or insulting.
Like when people start ascribing attributes to my personality without knowing me or make assumptions about why I said it. I’d rather have people asking me to elaborate than jumping to conclusions.
I’ve learned that resonding with “I” statements helps with this kind of interaction.
“I don’t see it that way.” works as well as “You are wrong.”, but the “I” version implies fewer assumptions about what the other person is trying to communicate.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
There are only two things I think about when it comes to vote count:
if I make a joke, and it’s not being replied to but being downvoted I want to know if people understood the joke or if the joke was just not funny.
If I see a question being asked that doesn’t appear to be in bad faith being downvoted, and not answered, it pisses me off.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
One thing I hope everyone takes from reddit, the troll’s main weapon is downvoting in droves. I’ve seen 6 upvotes happen in under a minute on Lemmy and we don’t have that kind of user base. Some posts don’t even get federated that quickly. If the question was in good faith and downvoted, it was probably trolls. I hope you don’t take that personal.
roguetrick@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The amount of lurkers would surprise you.