So I could have a usable machine at work? Good. I am forced to upgrade from win7 to win11 in the lab, and current win11 crap did not appeal to me at all. And it has WSL, so at least it can actually be used for work.
Microsoft announces new Windows changes in response to the EU's (DMA) Digital Markets Act for EEA users, including Edge not prompting users to set it as the default unless opened
Submitted 10 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2025/06/02/updates-to-windows-for-the-digital-markets-act/
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Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Katana314@lemmy.world 10 months ago
how do i europe
the_q@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Imagine living somewhere where those in charge have even there smallest bit of spine.
fiddledeedee@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
mmm, that was nice. can i have another?
Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Oh look, with the threat of a big enough fine, you can uninstall those things.
Or at least hide the front ends for them.
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Make it world wide!
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
For those curious, if you can get a European Windows product key, you can install the “N” version of Windows. Be warned, it only works with certain product keys…
The standard Windows installer should give the option of “Windows 10” or “Windows 10 N” (or similar). The N version is basically bloatware free out of the box…
The regular version has a bunch of promos pre-installed, like candy crush, and other things that most people couldn’t give a shit about…
Recently I’ve been playing a “fun” game with my work laptop where I’ll remove copilot, and a few days later it will appear again. Weeee. In that case, it wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a policy in place to enable copilot on my works systems… I’m sure someone who works here, probably higher up the food chain than me, wants it enabled, and the ham fisted policy maker can’t create a policy just for those who want it, so everyone gets it because the bosses son Shane decided that he wants to see how much of his work can get done by AI so he can do even less while on the clock.
OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 9 months ago
N editions should exclude just certain media features. I remember it trying in Win 7 days and never touched it again, never saw a point. Some additional info. Important bit is to not use Home edition, use Pro, Education or Enterprise instead.
As for Copilot, is there anything under these registry keys?
- HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot
- HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Neither of those keys exist.
Probably because I keep uninstalling the software.
muusemuuse@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Companies absolutely HATE copilot. I remember they didn’t even like Siri enabled on the Mac’s where I used to work. No way in hell copilot is getting a pass.
utopiah@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Don’t underestimate management desire to be absolutely indistinguishable from their competition.
They read the Harvard Business Review, learn new terms they don’t understanding, make a PowerPoint out of it and voila, they are “innovative” like everyone else.
If HBR put “AI” on its cover you can be damn sure all those innovators are going to put AI wherever they can.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I work for a fairly large company, and we’re hearing about “AI” constantly. CoPilot is available and its use encouraged. Also, in the cybersecurity space, AI is fucking everywhere. Vendors won’t shut up about their “AI Enabled” products. And the new hotness is “Agentic AI”, which is basically automation, but we’re going to let AI hallucinations fire off the automated process which could bring production systems down.
Good times are surely coming. /sMystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Heh, it’s a small business and bossman isn’t exactly anti-AI.
mrodri89@lemmy.zip 10 months ago
Huh, well ill continue living without all that shit on Linux Mint.
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Mint… more than just a delicious herb!
rpl6475@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
[deleted]Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 9 months ago
I would love to, but we stiill use Windows specific software (and sometimes even Dos specific software!) but we already do that through a VM. The other issue is the extensions we have for Microsoft Office just won’t work on the Linux alternatives and even then Libreoffice isn’t good enough for half the staff in my accounting firm because it lacks certain features for now.
Most companies who work in browser based software + email can easily switch to Linux and they would barely notice it.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 9 months ago
even then Libreoffice isn’t good enough for half the staff in my accounting firm because it lacks certain features for now.
The worst part is where some functionality breaks in a document bigger than a holiday card. I mean formulae vanishing.
I think OOO around year 2009 was very stable and without such annoying bugs. But I haven’t tested it there TBH.
Seriously, feature parity is a dead end. If there were a cross-platform office suite that would at least support the absolutely necessary things with a format not much more complex than org-mode, big documents (300 pages without degrading performance) and UTF-8, it would be fine. I think. That format can even be XML-based, just … why would you have vanishing objects in a document past their certain number? Do they have an unsigned byte counter somewhere?
utopiah@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I would love to, but we stiill use Windows specific software
If I had 1 cent every time I read that… and I pulled those cents together… and then paid software developers to build that missing software for other OSes like Linux… then we’d gradually see less of those comments.
It’s as if the isolation was the business model, proprietary software insuring that alternatives do not exist because users do not bother to get together and unstuck themselves from glowingly dangerous (security wise but probably even financially dependencies.
Hopefully initiatives like NLNet are precisely trying to alleviate such challenges. Until them compatibility layers like Proton are showing the way with arguably some of the most complex and demanding in terms of performance software, namely games.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’d love to at work, but I’m using some win-only software with a f-ed up licence manager that I cannot stuff into a VM.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Now switch package managers and run all your drives on different obscure file systems! Make every login cycle through plasma gnome an unhinged custom DE and raw terminal where a camera with sign language recognition is the only valid input!
Sturgist@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Sure, that’s average 5th year apprenticeship GNU/Wizard territory…there are adequate distros for people who open the “updates available” alert once every year or so. Ease them in. Fuck…
As a wise lion who was a Jesus allegory once said:
Do not cite the old magics to me, witch. I was there when it was written.
Now…I’m not old enough to ACTUALLY have been there when it was written… you’re still being a dick.
lmuel@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Sounds like half of the process your average Windows debloater goes through every time they update?
Nalivai@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You’re doing something wrong, maybe ask someone knowledgeable for help with your system. It doesn’t happen to other people.
DNU@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Am i missing something? If i had edge, store and bing forced down my throat my win11 install wouldve been long gone, but imo thst stuff was already removable before?
andxz@lemmy.world 10 months ago
From what I’ve gathered here and elsewhere they never really went full throttle on all that stuff for most of us here in the EU.
Now don’t get me wrong, W11 is utter shite, and I had to essentially build a new computer from scratch to even get it running properly, but I still haven’t seen any ads or any other bullshit like that.
This is exactly why my old computer is merrily running Mint, and it likes it.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I love mint on my old laptop (which I’m using right now) I just wish it was more compatable with newer hardware as neither it nor ubuntu work properly on my new desktop build so I’m stuck on ghost spectre instead.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I think GDPR and related laws, really tempered what Microsoft did to the whole of the European region. They didn’t want to deal with it, so they made as much as they could, opt-in. As opposed to the north american policies of either opt-out, or forced-on.
IDK. I don’t work at Microsoft, I’m just guessing. 🙃
double_quack@lemm.ee 10 months ago
The best control: uninstall Windows.
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Europeans have the Freedom to Uninstall SPYWARE? LoL COMMIES here in America we have TRUE FREEDOM of being FORCE FED SPYWARE with NO Other options!
discount_door_garlic@lemmy.world 10 months ago
the other option is a faster, more privacy focused, free, open source operating system.
I made the switch a little over a year ago, I know not everybody can/wants to - but major distros are honestly polished enough these days that I haven’t looked back, I should have switched to Linux years ago.
Not everyone will agree, but I think Ubuntu + installing apps through Flatpak is a winning option.
oyzmo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Perhaps sometime in the future, more people will try Linux and see how good it is. My recommendation based on my own experience:
Want stable, just working. Robust workhorse: Try Debian Want newest, nicest, good for gaming (need a tiny bit of tinkering if you run Nvidia): Try Fedora Want easy to install, but a bit older and slower, but requires no tinkering: Try PopOS
Don’t like settings, tweaks and fuzz: choose Gnome desktop 😊
discount_door_garlic@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I know its not everybody’s cup of tea, but plain standard Ubuntu these days has a lot of polish and interoperability. The addition of gnome tweaks, extensions, and flatpak have left me not wanting much extra customisation.
This is after being on a dozen other distros and finding ironically they can be less customisable unless I want to spend an entire in terminal.
valkyrieangela@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
My whole system is AMD so switching to Linux was a breeze. A few days ago I installed Fedora KDE Plasma because I genuinely enjoyed the look and feel of Windows, but I wanted it without the Microsoft part. And I have to say, no regrets. I’m getting everything done without the BS, and all my games work just fine. It did need some very weird tinkering to set it up properly, and I made ChatGPT work overtime to feed me answers. Nobody would have to put in the amount of effort I did though, and if it wasn’t for my niche problems, everything would have been handled without a hitch. The terminal still scares me but I’ve learned several tricks.
LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m sad to say I had to drop Linux for a while because I run Nvidia. I heard that AMD is fine, and that Nvidia is baaaadically fine with a few issues still so I gave it a shot. But games just genuinely run noticeably worse with an Nvidia card. Games would lose 20-30 frames. Maybe not a big deal with my setup if I was using a 60hz monitor since most were still above 60, but I’m using 144hz.
It sucks too because it’s not fedora or Linux as a whole’s fault. It’s Nvidia’s.
Thought about keeping it but already had a few things I needed to dual boot windows for. If I still need windows for gaming, basically that leaves idly browsing the web as fedora’s main use. And I think that’s a bit overkill.
Looking forward to eventually getting an AMD card (Legit if you’re reading this and thinking about upgrading or building a new PC and think there even a small chance you’d go with Linux in the future, go AMD) or even just a whole new build. That way I can just delegate my current machine for those few tasks I need windows for, and have a main machine for general use.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Same for me, sorta. I have to dualboot Windows and Linux because I just can’t seem to fix the jankiness of my gaming experience on the latter. I wanna make a full AMD build but I not really a good idea to splurge in this economy.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
The relatively bad linux experience, plus all the news about nvidia being the scum of the earth, is what made me go with a solid AMD card instead.
viking@infosec.pub 10 months ago
Xubuntu is stable, lightweight, easy to install, and requires no tinkering. No idea about gaming, but I’d choose it over Debian and PopOS at any given time.
RaptorBenn@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Microsoft is grudgingly forced to give…*
L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
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ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Can they replace the file explorer?
i know you can replace explorer through the registry but I don’t know about uninstalling it
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FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 10 months ago
If you’re in the US, you can use O&O ShutUp to help you turn off the more intrusive aspects of Windows with ease.
cooopsspace@infosec.pub 10 months ago
Not to be pedantic, but this will work fine in Australia.
There’s no reason to say “If you’re in the US”. I think you mean “for everyone else” or “for those not in the EU”.
Manticore@lemmy.nz 10 months ago
If you’re in the US,
Is it US specific, or do you just mean if you’re not in the EU?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Well, really it’s for any country that would allow MS to intrude into your PC experience as they do in the US.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Get fucked Microshit!
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 10 months ago
Linux Gives Every User More Control: Uninstall Anything, and Say Goodbye to Microsoft
Wolf@lemmy.today 10 months ago
To get pedantic for a second. The title of this post is “Microsoft gives…” as if this was an altruistic act that Microsoft decided to do for some people, when the article states they did it to comply with a law.
A much better title would have been “EU Forces Microsoft to Give Users More Control:” It returns the credit to the people who deserve the credit and clarifies that it wasn’t something Microsoft did willingly.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 10 months ago
Not pedantic. The specificity, imo, is extremely important here, and the poor phrasing really bothered me, too.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
And again; repeat after me: install Linux already, just get it over with
Allero@lemmy.today 10 months ago
I feel like this is one of those calls that get so repeatedly people get numbed.
Something along the lines of climate change, economic crisis, etc.
They are all true, but people are passivated.
For real though; GET THE DAMN LINUX. SPIN IT UP IN A VM. DUAL BOOT IT WITH WINDOWS. YOU LOSE NOTHING, WINDOWS IS THERE. JUST TRY FOR ONCE.
Bimfred@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I lose Virtual Desktop for my wireless VR, 3ds Max and Solidworks for CAM. If all I did was gaming, media and browsing, I’d switch. Which is why my HTPC, only used for couch gaming and media, is running Bazzite.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
I ripped the bandaid off a month or so ago. Went with LMDE. Haven’t looked back. Steam runs all my games through Proton just as good as they ran on Windows, if not better.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
European Union users
Because the EU at least remotely cares about it’s citizens.
Now let’s try the USA! How much does the USA cares about it’s citizens? Not all at the same time, please!
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Because the EU at least remotely cares about it’s citizens.
don’t get over ambitious. EU is challenging all Western tech because they see the dangers of it running unopposed within the US government.
don’t believe for a minute that any government has your interests in mind when they create policy. you only have the illusion of support when your interests and the government interests align.
Wolf@lemmy.today 10 months ago
True, but it seems like the EUs interests aligns with public interest a lot more often than it does in the U.S.
Id trade for sure. As an American, I am conditioned to settle for the lesser of two evils.
Trylytx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
So being able to uninstall apps on your computer is news?
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
No no, on Windows it is not your computer, it is “This computer”. The days of “My computer” are long gone.
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I uninstalled edge from my MS PC could no longer use the standard Minecraft launcher due to missing dependencies
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
In other words: Users of proprietary OS like Windows have so little control over their own devices that it’s newsworthy when the vendor allows you to uninstall 2-3 bundled things out of many more. It’s pathetic.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Tbh everything listed is how 10 LTSC came by default for all users.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 10 months ago
This is why when u pirate windows u always pirate the European version. Not that I condone pirating windows that would be immoral and wrong.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Windows 11 is freely available through official channels and only disables some personalization GUIs if you don’t activate. But you can still customize things without the GUI. There may be other gotchas to force you to pay up, but piracy isn’t even necessary.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 10 months ago
By piracy I mean modifying some registry keys to trick the free version into thinking its activated
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 10 months ago
uses Linux to pirate Windows
deletes the iso because it sucks
just because I could!
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I need windows for my cad program so I just run it in a vm
alphabethunter@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Pirating windows and adobe is never wrong.
Laser@feddit.org 10 months ago
Pirating Windows is wrong, but the lesser evil compared to buying Windows. Ideally, you shouldn’t do either
Ironfist79@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Funny what happens when you have a government that actually gives a shit.
KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 10 months ago
European governments and the EU definitely don’t care about us, their citizens, but most do see the threat coming from USA these days, thankfully
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
I just wish they also didn’t constantly try to force backdoors into everything…
cloud_herder@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m sorry, I’m not familiar with this concept…
yournamehere@lemm.ee 10 months ago
dont be fooled. stop supporting the enshittification now or be left behind. Bill Gates and the other american terrorists have caused enough harm.
you are in control once you stop using anything from american corpos.
stop supporting the enshittification!
cotlovan@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Uninstalling the store would be the biggest feature. A lot of telemetry is tied to it. I tried some of the “debloaters” out there, but the windows Installation breaks after a couple of months (I assume when ms pushes a new major update).