We gonna fight
Submitted 5 weeks ago by Iheartcheese@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Bleys@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Sibshops@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
One thing the right is good at doing is falling in line, no matter that the agenda being pushed.
Montagge@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
That’s mostly due to the rights belief in hierarchy. It doesn’t matter if the person above you has different views than you if you believe their right simply because they’re higher up the pecking order.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
One thing I’ve always wondered, who/what decides their hierarchy?
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yeah the flaws of leftists is understanding what they are voting for and not operating purely on loyalty.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
This seems like sarcasm, which is valid, but what you said is also absolutely true. The primary virtue of the left is also its biggest weakness when it comes to implementation.
Soulg@ani.social 5 weeks ago
When the system is broken, that is indeed a flaw
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Gotta maintain that rigid tribal culture so it supports whoever steals the leadership role!
comfy@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Heh, don’t let that fool you, they still infight like crazy despite that. Examples include the hilarious collapse of the NJP, the assassination of Rockwell (leader of the American Nazi Party) and labeling every existing neo-Nazi group “feds” because they’re inevitably embarrassing and scandal-filled.
Objection@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
The right has their fair share of infighting. They may all want heirarchy, but they disagree on who should be on top. They can all agree on scapegoating an outgroup, but disagree on which people fall into that outgroup. Like, the ultimate endgame of fascism is for the last fascist to kill the second to last fascist for not being white enough.
They appear to be united because most of us don’t go into their spaces and lurk, because, I mean, ew. If a Trump supporter came to Lemmy, they’d find people quite united against them, and if one of us went on Truth Social, we’d find them quite united against us, but that doesn’t mean they actually get along internally.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
Honestly I’m fairly certain they infight even harder than the left does. They just wouldn’t self-critically admit to it like we would. Cause they don’t self-crit.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
trololo@lemmings.world 5 weeks ago
You voted for a genocider and you think TanKiE blindly support russia because you’re a jingoist and think peace voices are really modern-day KGB agent. Guess what, you can criticize the NATO without sucking putin’s dick.
In fact the putin regime have been put there by the US
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Political LeftRightism (n.)
Definition:
Political LeftRightism is a spatially encoded meta-framework of political orientation that frames ideological discourse along a singular, bipolar axis—left versus right—thereby reducing the full multidimensional landscape of political thought into a linear spectrum. As a memetic penetrator and perceptual instrument, LeftRightism functions not as a neutral map but as a meta-weapon of the ruling class: a cognitive architecture designed to channel dissent, structure debate, and neutralize system-level critique by confining political possibility to a predefined, adversarial dialectic within the system’s own terms.
Operational Mechanisms:
Perceptual Confinement: Constructs a false totality of ideological space by placing all positions, grievances, and aspirations on a left-to-right continuum. This flattens pluralistic thought into a binary schema and frames radical alternatives as fringe “extremes.” Cognitive False Equivalence: Establishes symmetry between left and right regardless of historical asymmetry in power, violence, or systemic entrenchment. This symmetry encourages the illusion of balance where structural inequality remains. Controlled Opposition: Absorbs political resistance into legible categories that the system has already immunized against. By permitting debate only between "acceptable" sides of the spectrum, it constrains opposition into predictable, ineffectual loops. Ideological Compartmentalization: Prevents synthesis of cross-axis or off-spectrum worldviews (e.g., spiritual leftism, post-capitalist traditionalism, decentralized communitarianism) by declaring them incoherent or invisible. Map-as-Reality Substitution: Through repetition and institutional embedding, LeftRightism replaces the messy, evolving reality of political life with a static cartographic abstraction, inducing conceptual dependency on the spectrum itself.
As Meta-Weapon: Political LeftRightism operates as an epistemic instrument of enclosure, a framework-level tool of hegemony rather than a position within debate. It disguises its own structural function beneath the appearance of neutrality and exhaustiveness. By scripting political meaning into a legible diagram, it enables elites to:
Predict, manage, and diffuse unrest; Legitimize centrism as “reasonable” and extremes as dangerous; Fragment class solidarity into partisan identities; Avoid exposure of vertical dynamics (top vs. bottom, ruler vs. ruled) by focusing attention horizontally.
Distinction: Unlike left- or right-wing ideologies, which offer substantive (if partial) theories of value or structure, LeftRightism is not an ideology per se but a cartographic control mechanism—an ideological exoskeleton that shapes and constrains all ideologies that operate within it. Its power lies not in its content, but in its pre-conscious adoption as the default schema of political orientation.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If partisan identities are different enough that they don’t ally then that means their differences are too great.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The right opposes free thought and favors conformity to support the privileged few.
The left favors free thought and opposes conformity, because that would impede social progress.
Yeah, I wonder why one of thsoe groups is likely to have arguments.
CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Not necessarily. Some leftists demand conformity in beliefs. “If you don’t believe XYZ, you’re a shill/neoliberal/fascist etc.”
I feel like favoring free thought and opposing conformity leads to arguments, but demanding conformity leads to enemies (like this meme).
PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 weeks ago
Some of the most authoritarian people I come into contact with on any kind of regular basis are “leftists” on Lemmy.
The ones in real life are not like that. I feel like Reddit’s moderation model really encourages it, and some of them started really taking it to heart when they came to Lemmy which copied that same model.
trololo@lemmings.world 5 weeks ago
If the believe is that we should send more bombs, maybe it’s not about comformity but more about your own morality
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The problem is not public arguments, but groups rejectimg other groups for ideological reasons. I personally know people who are like “you can be a communist and you can be wrong”.
The reality is that there are left groups, especially far-left groups, who will already dismiss your opinion on everything for not categorically rejecting a social markets economy. Doesn’t matter if you agree in all other points.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
A fundamental disagreement on a foundational principle is going to be a hurdle, indeed.
HakunaHafada@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
That reminds me of a scene from Jean-Luc Godard’s La Chinoise, where some members of a Maoist group call others “conformists” or something to that effect because they hold different views on the finer details of communism/socialism.
LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The right is also driven by fear and hate. It’s easier to get coordination and conformity that way.
bier@feddit.nl 5 weeks ago
It’s a different version of the tolerance paradox
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. (Source Wikipedia)
stopdropandprole@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
So it’s accurate but they’re both wrong because
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He is the left.
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He shouldn’t even be trying to converse with literal USSR advocates and literal anarchists as if they were part of his base.
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Soulg@ani.social 5 weeks ago
Sucks that the system in the USA is broken but until it’s fixed and we have more than two parties, democrats are the left.
ezterry@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
It’s better not to equate the two parties of the USA to the parties in a parliamentary system it’s a different beast.
The Democrats are the coalition of the left of center interest groups of the current time, and Republicans the coalition of the right of center interest groups of the current time.
These groups are more the parties of the parliamentary system and run candidates in the primaries of their respective parties, and possibly as independent from time to time (particularly when they feel a bit pushed out of the main parties). Also they push these candidates at all levels (local, state, congress ect)
I would love some sort of rank choice/instant runoff ballots to make more choices easier in the voting lineup, however those who are pushing for third parties without trying to run local politicians or promoting policies ect will likely not succeed in that system either.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
I don’t hate most leftists (or even non-leftists for that matter). I hate the kind that hate other leftists. The lemmy.ml tankies always complain that people who disagree with them are splitting the left, when they’re the ones calling everybody who vaguely disagrees with them a liberal. Not purely an ML thing though, there’s plenty of this kind of person in all camps.
Zenith@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I think lacking self awareness is a requirement to be a tankie
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
But after they called me a liberal for supporting Ukraine, they said they respect anarchists. They must be our friends! /s
trololo@lemmings.world 5 weeks ago
People who disagree with them about sending more bombs
klu9@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
5in1k@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
God the assassination scene, so accurate.
Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yugopnik made a good point on the term “Leftist” and how its so broad that it includes many different idealogies that are quite honestly conflicting, i.e. stalinists, anarchists, etc., so that it appears leftists are always fighting since they are all lumped into the same category.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I approve of any leftist as long as they are anti-authoritarian.
so that it appears leftists are always fighting since they are all lumped into the same category.
I always say it is because the left in general has its roots in old school liberal value of “think for yourself”. So there typically tends to be maverick attitude and in-fighting. The best example is the Spanish Republicans during the Spanish Civil War; you have soc dems, communists and anarchists fighting together not just against fascists, but also themselves. The right, meanwhile value order and hierarchy, so they tend to easily set aside their differences. Again, the Spanish Civil War is the best example, with the Spanish Nationalists also composed of various factions with competing agenda, but managed to set aside their differences, which made it all the easier to do because they had a strong man figure to rally to.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
And the right won that war, which goes to show the value of unity
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
For me, it makes much more sense to think about it all as pop culture. I’ll use America but this goes for any country.
The right leaning party represents pop culture. A dominant culture. The popular culture is American Apple pie and blue jeans with letter jackets.
The left represents everything outside the pop culture bubble. It’s a larger population as a whole, but they’re like little bubbles they all contain their own culture. Those cultures can conflict or merge and compliment each other. But they’re individually separate.
The pop culture is always feeling threatened. It needs to maintain the status quo. Every outside sub culture is trying to fight their way into the dominant culture.
So this is why the right leaning voters trend towards rejecting things like immigrants, minorities, LGQTB and often other sub groups that are not wildly accepted by the pop culture. This is also why the left leaning groups do not. They trend towards infighting about how to do things but overall they all focus efforts on taking status away from the pop culture.
When I view politics as a clash between pop culture and sub cultures, it makes so much of it make so much more sense.
Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
To me it sounds like you’re starting to broach on the concept of reactionary vs dialectical analysis
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I have never met a leftist I didn’t like
but I only consider somebody a leftist if they respect human rights.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 5 weeks ago
I’m always under the assumption that everyone can be an asshole. I had a very good friend qnd we’re both vegans. To me it’s just a dietary choice that i made, for her it was almost like a religion. Like when she met someone who was also a vegan or saw someone on tv that was a vegan, she always assumed that it’s a good person, or just rooted for that person, no questions asked.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Unfortunately all the wanna-be Pol Pots out there also consider themselves to be leftists.
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Political ideology is a spectrum, and I feel that Leftists tend to be as hostile towards those they deem ‘not as left’ as them, just as much as they are towards Fascists, Neo-Cons and their ilk.
It’s basically the no true Scotsman fallacy manifest.
son_named_bort@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’ll start my own leftism, with Blackjack and hookers! If fact, forget the blackjack. Ah, screw the whole thing.
insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 5 weeks ago
I made this for a comment (about small-data images, jpegs) days ago:
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
this whole platform be like:
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 5 weeks ago
I was recently banned for being “transphobic” for telling people what far right people believe about trans people, in the third person because I’m not far right nor have I ever been.
I’ve been pro-trans rights (AKA human rights) since I knew what the word “transgender” meant, which is going on twenty years or so now?
Delphia@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Lemmy has a REALLY bad problem with people who dont actually read comments and process them. They skim read the post, see a few keywords and then argue the point that they want to argue regardless of what the original comment was.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’m banned from like 6 blahaj zone communities for one comment I made where me and two other users discussed the overlap of trans and gay.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Nobody is left enough for anyone else on the left. You agree with me on an issue but differ on execution? You may as well be Trump!
Soulg@ani.social 5 weeks ago
Half the replies in this thread: so true bestie, except fuck those guys for not being left enough
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
If you think trans rights are a bargaining chip, you aint leftist enough for me!
Soulg@ani.social 5 weeks ago
Ok but who thinks that, I’ve not seen anything about that anywhere on lemmy, so it must not be very common
Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 weeks ago
I seriously wish leftist unity was more of a thing. And no, liberals, I’m not talking about you.
breakingcups@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
pebbles@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Is this oneof those /s moments or a /r/wooosh moment?
Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 weeks ago
Liberals are only considered “the left” in the USA. I am not in the USA.
PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 weeks ago
My money’s on wooosh but it could be either one tbh.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Just so we’re clear, democrats are blue conservatives and are not leftists.
The meme is still accurate though. Why does Futurama look so anime? Did i miss a new episode?
floo@retrolemmy.com 5 weeks ago
I fucking hate this dynamic
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Why can’t we have Leftist Unity? The fucking Rightists can agree on hating “The Libz”
Why can’t we agree on hating cons? Sadly I can’t even get Leftist factions to agree on “LGBT Rights are based and cool”, because Left-Learning TERFs exist and I’ve had Tankies pull “LGBT Rights is racist because it means forcing Western Ideals where they don’t belong” crap on me.
InverseParallax@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Is this Anime Futurama?
(Seriously, wtf is this shit?)
Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Its almost as if a single dimension is not big enough to describe the diversity of human political thought.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
Are we talking about actual leftist infighting, or mistaking liberals for the left and calling it infighting?
Also I’m almost certain that the actual left infights far less than the right. The only reason two Trump administrations hasn’t started the literal fourth reich yet is because they infight so hard that they can’t stick to any plan.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Why do leftists adopt all the most horrible traits of trump supporters?
Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
There are inherently more ways to imagine changes than to point at the status quo.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
The better strategy would be to change what a Republican is and stands for, then we could all have our cake and the idiots in our country can still feel like they won.
Democrat can mean or represent literally anything, even if they did a 180 and began supporting Trump, and my mother will still hate them, because they’re Democrats.
you can’t spin those fascists into anything but shit!
ehhhhhh… Traditional, old school Elephants were still very environmentally conscious, turn nationalism into a positive trait. Patriots for nature and equal pay from the established woke billionaires!
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
If there’s an actual debate you’ve got to define terms. People’s definitions of ‘leftist’ can be pretty wild, especially if the debate is between an American and… mostly anyone outside America.
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan and the Jakarta Method who consider themselves leftist, while at the same time associate outright NazBols with the left.
So ‘what do you actually mean by tankie/liberal?’ will usually cut through a lot of debate perv noise.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
This meme reminded me of all the different flavours of Christianity.
x4740N@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Circular firing squad
I’ve seen situations here on lemmy where I would cause it if I where to argue with someone
I am leftist
justcallmelarry@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
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catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Futurama is just a slightly different Simpsons!
We are enemies now
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I was going to comment that OPs meme sums up db0 really well, but this one does that even better.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
You can’t tell me how to anarchy bro