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Several phone brands rumored to be planning a major shift away from Android
Submitted 11 months ago by commander@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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kepix@lemmy.world 10 months ago
MTK@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Title is misleading, they are moving away from google services.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Aww, and I here I was hoping multiple vendors were FINALLY going to contribute to mobile linux.
bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Year of the Linux phone
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yeah I was going to say there is very little alternative from iOS and Android or its derivatives. There used to be Windows Phones very breifly.
Anthing else has to emulate the other OS to run mobile apps.
13igTyme@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I actually had a Windows phone around 2011-ish. It had some pretty cool features and was a Nokia.
vga@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
USA is being horrible at the moment, but China has a LOT of convincing to do before I’ll let them deliberately have my data.
sheogorath@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I would love getting a Pixel but the 100% price premium and no official support is making it hard.
cristo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices
It’s my understanding that the latest model pixels have official support for Graphene. I could be wrong but their FAQ says they do. I’m installing it on mine
als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
PostmarketOS for everyone!
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
I really want to get to a point I can transition to using this or another mobile Linux distro. My phone is fairly (hehe, it’s a Fairphone) well supported, but my impression is that basic phone features are still not functioning properly making it more of a pocket computer and less of a phone. I still need phone features. As for mobile apps, I don’t have many needs and I think Waydroid will get me far.
Randelung@lemmy.world 10 months ago
What ever happened to that other OS that was named after a color
Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Fuschia? That was a Google alternative to Linux that never panned out. It was weird with streams instead of files.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 10 months ago
We are going to move away from Google, by basing our new future on AOSP, which is also primary maintained by Google…I smell another FireOS level product on the horizon. Still Android, but worse.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 11 months ago
If it’s not proper linux I don’t care
cauthon117@lemmy.zip 10 months ago
German brand Volla has phones with Ubuntu Touch. Even allows dual boot with their own degoogled Android OS. Might be worth checking out.
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Linux-mobileOS!
wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
That sounds nice and all but linux still is subject to exploits and the open sourced nature of it makes it an enticing target for state actors to include extremely well made obfuscated exploits. I dont know how to win here, tbh.
TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
“State actors” already have the ability to spy on anyone they want. It’s a whole industry
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Uhh maybe more likely 15 years ago and also goes for everyone else. Actually, what are you even saying?
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
All you said, is infinitely worse with closed source
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Make it so
gencha@lemm.ee 11 months ago
A rumor of plans??! Tell me everything!!!
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 11 months ago
Gurl let me spill the tea, there’s word floating round in China that some bde powa playas be considering maybe kinda putting something together.
echodot@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Pretty soon they’re going to pencil in a meeting about possibly arranging a committee to discuss preliminary plans to do a feasibility study.
haych@feddit.uk 11 months ago
So that title is just a straight up lie. They want to use a de-googled Android.
To be honest I was hoping for an alternative OS, competition is always good. But a de-googled Android could possibly be good, but being Chinese I assume instead of Google telemetry you’ll just be replacing it with CCP telemetry.
WarlordSdocy@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I mean judging by the current American government id much rather my data is going to the CCP then the American Government via Google as a proxy.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
Indded but as an Australian, if I have to have an anal probe i’d rather it from the CCP as they wont share it with my Government.
itisileclerk@lemmy.world 11 months ago
US telemetry == CCP telemetry, I can’t see how CCP will be more damaging to regular person.
TheFriar@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I think it’s just that they were saying his won’t end up benefitting us. It’s just changing who is holding the binoculars.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 11 months ago
Honestly, I think a person in either nation should consider using the opposing nation’s stuff. Harder for the US to backdoor Chinese encryption, or for Chinese to backdoor into an American phone. Play the bastards off each other.
Odds are, that the Trump Regime will use American apps and phones to identify and track targets for ICE traffickers. China probably does the same to Uighurs. The less attack surfaces they have, the better for their respective peoples.
jaxxed@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Except that there are credible reports of the CCP running police operations on foreign soil.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
That sounds funny, but In that reality, the government with all its power will find a way in (they probably already have programs (as in departments) for finding their way into other countries tech).
Better to just install a proper de-googled android build (grapheneos, etc) and only use wifi (if data/phone num not needed) for the best odds.
In a couple of years (with more r&d, development and investment) I bet this will change to being use a linux phone.
piyuv@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Apple building backdoors for CCP and sharing any and all data with them: am I a joke to you?
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
How easy is it to degoogle Android? Don’t currently use Android or iOS but dumb phone options are getting pretty limited these days.
If I got an Android phone I would probably be looking at something second hand because fuck paying 3 figures on a phone. I know I wouldn’t use data at all, call/SMS SIM only. I guess another option is not needing to degoogle it as it will never talk to google once I have finished downloading maps of the country for OSMand and a few other apps. Then it can be on Wi-Fi to allow communication with my PC over LAN but don’t allow it access to the internet.
If it never touches the internet after setup I guess outdated OS doesn’t matter too much.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
It depends on your definition of ‘deGoogle’. You can disable the Google apps on most Android phones. They’ll take up storage space, but won’t run.
If you’re getting a second-hand phone and want to completely deGoogle it, you can check if (1) the bootloader is unlockable and (2) custom ROMs are available online (e.g. Lineage OS compatible devices). In general, Xiaomi, Motorola and Pixel devices have unlockable bootloaders, but not all their models have custom ROMs.
Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Ironically, pixels are best for de-googling (stock android that can be easily un- and re-locked)
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
If you’re looking at getting a new (used) phone, I would suggest GrapheneOS (the most secure/private de-googled rom afaik).
You need a Pixel phone, the newer you get the longer you will keep getting software updates for the future (if you keep the phone past these many years of support, then I believe switching to a other rom will be required for security patches etc. Each phone is supported until Google stops supporting them I believe).
If you plan on never touching a google service, GrapheneOS allows for that (nothing google by default), but on the other hand, if you need google play, etc for banking apps or whatnot, they have that covered with Sandboxed Google Services (which you can run solely in another user profile on your phone for added privacy).
Anyways, I think GrapheneOS in a great option & their website has much more info if you’d like to continue hearing about it:
oo1@lemmings.world 11 months ago
You have to be careful to get a phone and model supported by one of the projects. Check all compatibility and install instructions before buying a phone. And if you need a manufacturer supplied unlock code, make sure the manufacturer still gives them out some will discontinue that.
For graphene os you need one of the gogle devices - i’ve never tried it but i think its the one most people like.
lineageos supports more devices usually older.
I recently got lineageos working on sony experia xa2 - very happy with it. But to get there i had to go try like 6 computers before one of them sucessfully sent the bootloader unlock code over the ADB. For some reason usb is temperamental when doing stuff like that
It is a lot easier on really old stuff like samsung galaxy s3 or s4 if you can tolerate something that old. Maybe you’ll lso end upon an old version of lineage.
Once you get the bootloader unlocked it is generally straightforward. but modern phones make that fist part awkward.
lemmyingly@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The only issue with projects like LineageOS is that the camera usually sucks because the full fat camera driver isn’t released to the public, it’s only the basic driver. The camera can still take photos but all of the features you’ve become accustomed to are not there. This was my experience and what the LineageOS team said during the Samsung S5-S8 days.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
If you have a phone with custom ROM support, pretty easy. I’ve been running LineageOS without GAPPS for like 5 years now. Most stuff just works, but to be fair, I am not using any of the cool kids apps like google pay or android auto.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Yeah guess I don’t really care for most of it. Can get anything I want as an apk or mostly just on fdroid. VLC and an SSH client would be nice.
xeekei@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I just got my Pixel 9a and put GrapheneOS on it. The only thing that seems to not work right now is KDE Connect, but I’m unsure if it might be me doing something wrong rather than being imposdible.
altphoto@lemmy.today 11 months ago
Google meet Zune!
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
You mean the brands that literally do this already? Pretty bad article
libra00@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You probably should’ve led with three fact that this is Chinese phones, not like Samsung and shit.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Samsung has it own OS on some phones.
Psythik@lemm.ee 10 months ago
No they don’t; they killed off Tizen over half a decade ago. All modern Samsung devices run on Android.
Molecular5869@feddit.org 11 months ago
They all run android with GMS. They do apply their own skin, and sometimes Manufactures try to market it as a seperate OS. For example “NothingOS” in the Nothing phones, which is just stock android with a fancy skin applied.
vermaterc@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Please, do not post clickbait
daggermoon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
To what? Linux? I’ll believe it when I see it.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
To what?
Read the article and find out.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The article exposes the title as a lie. People shouldn’t reward that kind of journalism by reading it.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So they’re switching from Android to Android.
DrFistington@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah bullshit. What mobile is are they moving towards? Oh, Android OS? Yeah makes sense since there isn’t any competition
justi@lemm.ee 11 months ago
One can only hope
network_switch@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Anything closer to supporting regular Linux applications the better. Though I’d expect anything like this to just be Android with well funded alternatives to Google applications/services. Whatever happens will be good for non-Google/Apple/Microsoft directed platforms
Teknikal@eviltoast.org 11 months ago
Harmony Os will probably end up taking over realistically just due to everything going on in the world.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Harmony Os will probably end up taking over realistically just due to everything going on in the world.
For Huawei but their competitors have no interest in that. Just look at the degoogled Android phones for the domestic Chinese market: Everyone ships their own app store and replacement APIs for PlayServices (not compatible to Google’s). So app developers need to target each vendor’s flavor of Android individually. It’s insane.
The logical way would be to create a joint venture for a common app store and PlayStore replacements but they don’t. Maybe this story is about exactly that but it should tell you that Xiaomi and the others have no interest in being controlled by a 3rd party.
Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It makes sense for Chinese smartphone OEMs to move away from the Google version of Android. In the medium to long term you are setting up yourself for failure if you are reliant on an American company.
Unfortunately, the United States cannot be trusted.
radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
It’s not like China can be trusted either. This is a matter of not relying on your adversary.
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 11 months ago
It’s not like China can be trusted either
What exactly are you talking about? China has at no point in my lifetime exerted economic violence or taken violent policy turns towards harming other economies. They’ve been a reliable trading partner since they opened up to trade in the Deng Xiaoping/Nixon years, and done absolutely nothing remotely comparable to the US tariffs of recent (or economic embargoes to “enemy” countries like Venezuela).
Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Sure, but with China everyone more less knew this. The US has used up the last benefit of the doubt that they had in the past 5 months.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Before anyone gets too excited, it is just big Chinese brands looking for de-googled Android. They are still going to use Android.
several prominent Chinese smartphone manufacturers, including Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, and OnePlus, are exploring the possibility of developing versions of the Android operating system that do not rely on Google Mobile Services.
pycorax@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So like how Huawei was hyping up their new mobile OS which was really just AOSP?
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
HarmonyOS is not AOSP anymore. It does not run Android apps anymore.
atthecoast@feddit.nl 11 months ago
This was a transitional stage, HarmonyOS Next is running a fully different kernel and runtime
steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I thought android in China was already de-googled
nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Some Chinese phone release outside China also began to de-googled as well. At least that’s the case for Huawei in Indonesia.
knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
de-googled Android you say?
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ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 11 months ago
Too bad that what you want in a Google-free Android distro isn’t what the manufacturers want.
agitated_judge@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
It also says:
It is currently unknown whether these companies would aim for compatibility with existing Android apps or follow the path of Huawei’s latest HarmonyOS NEXT, which removes Android app support entirely
So, it’s not clear yet.
radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
The US/China decoupling is happening everywhere.
dzso@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I live in Asia. I’m European and meet a lot of Chinese tourists. Trying to find a common ground with digital services we both use is impractical to the point where we often can’t connect online.
libra00@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The front line is everywhere, there be no shelter here.
LMurch@thelemmy.club 11 months ago
de-Googled android sounds even better. The story is cooler than the title!
pupbiru@aussie.zone 11 months ago
a duopoly is better than a monopoly but 3 platforms would be better
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called “the People’s Stick.”
—Mikhail Bakunin
Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 11 months ago
We need phones with standard Linux. Without strange “Java only mediator” or something. Just a normal OS.
Android is a pain in the ass.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 11 months ago
We need phones with standard Linux.
Already exists. Several iterations are active and work as a daily driver: phone, sms and mobile networking works reliably, apps exist. Just not as many as on Android, and some features are not part of the OS. This is enough for many to declare them “a failure”. That and limited hardware support.
Google has coddled us for way too long, and at what price.
Ulrich@feddit.org 11 months ago
GNU/Linux is about 100x more painful than Android…
Flemmy@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Google is kind of being invasive. Kind but kind of.