Email from Bluesky in the screenshot linked:
Hi there,
We are writing to inform you that we have received a formal request from a legal authority in Turkey regarding the removal of your account associated with the following handle (@carekavga.bsky.social) on Bluesky.
The legal authority has claimed that this content violates local laws in Turkey. As a result, we are required to review the request in accordance with local regulations and Bluesky’s policies.
Following a thorough review, we have determined that the content in question violates local laws in Turkey, as outlined in the legal request. In compliance with these legal provisions, we have restricted access to your account for users.
toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
pardon my ignorance, but how is a de-centralized and de-federated online community bound to such annoyances?
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
They’re still a corporate entity, and they still want access to markets to make money.
toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
i think i’m conflating lemmy with bluesky. can’t anyone just host an instance? is it open-source? sorry, i should probably just look into this myself.
egerlach@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
For those who don’t know, Bluesky isn’t really federated. The only way to host a non-Bluesky instance required 1TB of storage in July 2024, and 5 TB of storage in Nov 2024. Could be way more than that now.
You basically have to be a company to federate into the ATProto (Bluesky) ecosystem. You can’t just “stand up an instance”.
Lots of detail: dustycloud.org/…/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
(I know you’ve already realized that you were conflating Mastodon with Bluesky, I’m putting this here for others who come along so they can get the facts).
meldrik@lemmy.wtf 3 weeks ago
Also DMs always go through Bluesky themselves.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
That’s not an outlandish amount of storage. You can get more than that for $200.
aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
That’s only if you want to maintain a full archive. You don’t actually have to store a full archive to run a relay
Anivia@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
5TB requires you to be a company??? My personal NAS already has 92TB
SrEstegosaurio@mstdn.social 2 weeks ago
@egerlach @toy_boat_toy_boat Yeah, ATProto is a joke and it is surprising how many computer-toucher folks have fallen for it.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Assuming you are serious:
Bluesky is … arguably ‘federated’, but it is centralized, not decentralized.
gigazine.net/…/20241128-bluesky-decentralization
Their model (AT Protocol) relies on a central, authoritative … ‘Relay’, that all ‘federated’ users and posts on federated PDS (personal data servers) must go through, to actually reach the ‘AppView’, ie, what people can actually see.
So, this is not a many to many, tangled spider web of connections, the way lemmy other parts of the actual fediverse are.
It is a top down hierarchy, a pyramid.
And Bluesky runs the Relay, the chokepoint.
If Bluesky cuts off the PDS your account is on, everyone on it is now gone.
The actual fediverse, Mastadon, Lemmy, etc, runs on ActivityPub.
In that model… every instance is essentially self contained, and every instance that is federated communicates with every other instance that is federated.
Each instance can decide what other instances they want to federate with… and users on each instance can personally block other users, communities, or entire instances if they choose to, but that only effects them
That is what you call decentralized, approaching, or also having elements of being ‘distributed’.
To bring up an example without getting into the drama that led to it:
The ‘Tankie Triad’ of ml, lemmygrad and hexbear have had a number of other instances defederate from them.
But, there are also a good number of instances that have not done so.
So that means if your account is on hexbear… you can’t see or post on an instamce that has blocked your instance.
But, if you (a hexbear…ian?), post on a neutral instance… users on that neutral instance will see the post.
But but, if a user from an instance that has defederated from hexbear goes to to the neutral instance… they will not see the hexbearian’s post.
This sounds complicated, and it is, but … thats the whole point of a decentralized system. It is more complex in the abstract… but the entire system ends up being more robust, more adaptable, more customizable… without a central authority in direct control of the entire system.
toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i was asking in good faith, and i can’t thank you enough for providing such a thorough and effective answer.
it almost sounds like bluesky is just a baby twitter in the making, and it’ll probably end up the same way. i’m really digging the actual fediverse thing, mainly because it seems to be one of the only places that money and vc bs hasn’t been able to touch.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
So the decentralized version makes sense to me. The blue sky model you describe sounds like just farming out the server load. What am I missing?
unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Idk if you made those technical diagrams yourself but I genuinely enjoyed them.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
This belongs in Best Of Lemmy or something.
LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
This is anarchist propaganda, by the way. Hexbear users (also known as pig poopers to those of us inside the community) know that centralised authority is the only way to run things fairly. Look at what the anarchist Fediverse has done to our movement - dozens of large instances have defederated us pig poopers and our friends in the rest of the Only True Socialist Triad. It’s a disgrace. Our admins are currently in the process of setting up a BlueSky relay on pigpoop.balls
troybot@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
It’s not a pyramid, it’s a reverse funnel system.
merdaverse@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That Relay chokepoint is a serious architecture flaw, even for the central company running it (Bluesky). They might fix it in the future, but I doubt it’s high priority for them.
oakward@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
What is the advantage of Bluesky’s model over Xitter? Are they just outsourcing servers while still holding censorship and manipulation power?
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You’re right that Bluesky isn’t federated, but it most definitely is centralized.
heavyboots@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
The answer it’s, they’re neither thing right now. And the claim has been made that in order to run your own instance that forwarded all traffic generated by the primary instance, you would need equivalent hardware to what BlueSky currently has. Vs Mastdon, which is…
toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
interesting! so i’m probably conflating my expectations for bluesky with lemmy, when all the while i should actually be on mastadon. i was starting to wonder if bluesky was just a new us dem party project :\
Natanael@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
This affects the view of posts via the bluesky servers, but not via mirrors or other servers
And the use of content addressing means you can be sure it hasn’t been modified
paraphrand@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wouldn’t your “home” server in an activity pub network always be subject to such requests?
BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
The difference is that if your home server is outside of Turkey then you can tell them to kick rocks. Bluesky probably complies because they don’t want to be blocked from Turkey. In a truly decentralized system like activitypub, only the server hosting the account / content in question risks being blocked, which means almost nothing the closer you get to a single account instance. Meanwhile every other server not in Turkey would not notice a difference.