Speaking as an American, everyone who can needs to stay the fuck out until we can get some semblance of having our shit together.
I was a British tourist trying to leave America. Then I was detained, shackled and sent to an immigration detention centre
Submitted 5 weeks ago by dwazou@jlai.lu to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
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harmsy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Snowpix@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
My entire extended family is in America. They voted for Trump, we will never be visiting them again most likely. America is not safe.
JasminIstMuede@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
I used to take semi-regular business trips to the US, but I think from this point I will try to move everything online. Aside from it not being safe for me in other ways, all it would take is someone with a suspicion that my work on the trip is “illegal” to send me to prison :/
pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I want to know who narced on her.
She was just doing chores at houses in exchange for boarding. She wasn’t paid. She just did chores.
troyunrau@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
That would qualify as work according to the US gov. Because by doing these chores, you are potentially causing someone to not need to pay a nanny or whatever. Be careful how you define work – you don’t need to be directly paid.
obinice@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
By throwing your rubbish in a bin whilst in the USA, you are causing the city to not need to pay a litter picker to collect and throw your rubbish into a bin.
I know I’m just being silly, and I know you’re not wrong, I’m just sayin. There’s a thousand ways one could look at almost any action and suggest ways in which it is “work” if we define it as causing someone else to not have to do a job or get paid for something.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone 5 weeks ago
It’s not work because you’re depriving someone of the job, it’s work because you are doing a task for a benefit. It’s just a non cash benefit.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone 5 weeks ago
She was doing work for a benefit. It wasn’t cash, but it had value. If that wasn’t work, and therefore not taxable, everyone would just switch to getting paid in services and benefits that aren’t cash.
She was treated extremely harshly but she was working illegally. There are lots of digital nomads that do similar. They work in places where they are staying on a tourist visa, it’s illegal. I run a small business. When I am away on holidays overseas, my staff need to be paid. I log in and pay them while away. Technically that is in breach of my visa for most countries, I’d say.
stembolts@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
I feel like only one person calling you stupid isn’t enough, so I’d like to add that this is one of the stupidest collections of words I have ever read.
I really hope you say things like this in person, and confidently. After all the world needs humor.
Woht24@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
You’re an idiot.
codapine@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Yea, no. This is only considered ‘work’ if you’re a physics teacher.
echodot@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
That’s the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard in my life.
You absolutely do not need to do anything to pay your staff it’s just a standing order bank transaction.
racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
It’s said to see factual comments like yours getting downvoted, because some just don’t want to hear this truth.
It doesn’t mean you support these kind of things happening, just that you understand the reasons they’re doing this shit…
And @ all the haters, get a life… you can disagree with the current rules, and how they’re enforced, but you can’t deny reality.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That’s not work? That’s common courtesy! You stay at someones house so you help out.
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
POS bootlicker
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Another POS bootlicker.
Tweak@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
She narced on herself to Canada, then America overheard.
dellish@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Doing payroll would be you performing a transaction in another country to people in that other country. At no point are you performing work where you receive remuneration in the country you’re visiting - which is the point of working visas. Just because you did a bit of paperwork for your work back home doesn’t mean you’re violating tourist visa conditions.
comrade_twisty@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Best to get a lobotomy before going to the US that way they won’t be able to accuse you of trying to work illegally while you’re there. It also has the benefit that you’ll finally be on the same mental level as Trump and his supporters.
CautiousPickle@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This article could have been written as a warning to others about lying to Immigration officials and the possible repercussions but they just go straight to making this girl the poor victim.
The whole article can be summed up with, If you lie to ICE (FA) and they find out (FO) you’re going to have a bad time.
She had been travelling on her own, staying on homestays free of charge in exchange for doing household chores, drawing as she went. For Burke, 28, it was absolute freedom.
It’s not free of charge if you have to work in exchange for room and board. She was employed by the home owners and instead of cash she got a room.
Her whole trip was planned around working off her room and board with manual labor. She knew exactly what she was doing, she lied, she got caught.
CrowyTech@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
That maybe so, but why such an excessive stay? Stick her on a plane, sorted.
Tweak@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
While I agree the time in detention was excessive, this wasn’t at an airport, it was at the Canadian land border. So it’s understandable that she wouldn’t immediately get on a plane back home - she’d likely have to be taken to a central facility and then transferred to an airport. But yeah, that shouldn’t take 3 weeks.
Nay@feddit.nl 5 weeks ago
If they didn’t want to go to prison, they shouldn’t have stolen the candy bar. FAFO! Also I hate authoritarians. FREEDOM!
slickgoat@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Okay Maga Hat.
laserm@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Because what the ICE did, while maybe de jure legal, was overexatturated?
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
POS bootlicker
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Another POS bootlicker.
Professorozone@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’m sorry, but this is NOT the kind of person I want in prison. AND I don’t want prisons profiting off her misery.
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
So what I’m not understanding is, why are we putting people in jail for something that isn’t causing harm? Unless, is there something about overstaying your visa that is harmful?
Snowclone@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
To do maximum harm to Hispanics. We have totally legal Americans who are Hispanic leaving the country, they can afford to, and it’s all because of this ethnic clensing, which is 100% what anti immigration hate is about its that Hispanics aren’t white enough, and they want us all out now.
There’s already talk from Trump’s goverment that they are considering special IDs being required. You know. Exactly what the Nazi did gearing up for the holocaust. This is ethnic clensing, it’s disregarding the rights of any Hispanic people and attacking them legally and illegally and daring anyone to stop them. So far, no one in particular cares.
GoodLuckToFriends@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
There’s already talk from Trump’s goverment that they are considering special IDs being required.
Fucking hell, I hadn’t heard about this yet.
JasminIstMuede@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
In this case, however, it is a white British national. It doesn’t seem to fit into the racist rhetoric that normally comes out of this administration, instead being a broader targeting of foreigners in general. (This of course not being the only case of Europeans facing problems)
Racism is a huge factor, but it seems the end goal goes further towards complete isolationism.
sfu@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
[deleted]triing@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
This is incorrect. Canada discovered she had an incorrect visa to enter Canada, as she had a tourist visa and they determined she’d need a work visa - so they sent her back to the USA, where she had come from, to reapply for her Canadian visa and then re-enter - but the USA border agents, on seeing her getting rejected, questioned her about her stay in the USA and determined she had broken the terms of the visa she was in the USA under, and thus detained her.
laserm@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Catering to your idiotic voters is the reason.
Sk3rgi0@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
TAKE ME WITH YOU!!!
Say does anybody in the EU want to host an american who’s down on his luck? Image
Agent641@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Is that Homer Simpsonn?
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
People have been denied entry to the US because they said they were house sitting. To the law that’s considered work for accommodation. Immigration has every right to deny you entry. Doesn’t matter if you guys agree with it or not.
Just never say you are doing chores or work in exchange for accommodation to any border cop in any country. So never say you do homestay or are housesitting. It will get you kicked out in many countries not just the US and Canada.
Also this article just proves to only cross the US border by airplane. It seems that every tourist that is in an ICE detention center crossed the border on land.
If she landed in Vancouver she would’ve been send home by plane. Also I bet are she wouldn’t have been caught if she went trough immigration at the airport. Canadian immigration cops are a lot stricter at the borders than at the airport.
alykanas@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
Did you not simply say “British ! Enough of your nonsense! “ and come home to your king ?
i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
echodot@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
I’m having real difficulty convincing my mother not to go to the US. She doesn’t really pay much attention to the news and although she knows some things are going on I find it very hard to get her to understand how serious it is.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
this is well within the territory where you shouldn’t feel bad about pulling out all the stops and making a personal emotional appeal, outright beg her not to go, tell her you’re terrified of losing your mom
Snowclone@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
There’s a significant amount of Americans that are trying to get out. After they close the boarders in they start closing them going out.
alykanas@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
When in fact her advice should have been “understand the terms of your visa”
cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Yeah
uselessRN@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Tell that to the man in an El Salvador prison admitted to be an “admin error”. He knew exactly what his terms were and didn’t break any laws. He was sent illegally and he’s not coming back. This isn’t “it happens under all administrations”. Wake up, people are being detained in broad daylight and then theyre cancelling their visas. Wake up before it starts happening to you too.
sping@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
Meh, sure she was wrong on that, but that doesn’t justify taking her into custody and refusing to allow her to go home.
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
That’s BS. She did chores. Did she even earn wages? She stayed 7 weeks, no overstay.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Trump doesn’t care about law, be it domestic or foreign. He will just grab you by the nethers and say that your visa is dead because he thought it should be.
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I love that I can give users tags, for yours I put “Massive POS Bootlicker”. 🙂