In the latest Windows 11 preview build, Microsoft removed the “bypassnro” command, which let users skip signing into a Microsoft Account when installing Windows.

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• andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s asinine to require me to be connected to the internet to use my computer. My work laptop was absolutely useless without the internet. There’s supposed to be a pin/password thing that lets you bypass this, but it would work maybe 30% of the time.

  I also don’t get why I have to give Microsoft my name and an email address for my video game machine. (I get steam and proton yada yada, but I’m often playing anything that you can barely get to work on its native system - has anyone actually got EYE : Divine Cybermancy for more than ten minutes?)

  Windows XP and 7 hit the mark I think. XP let you take it apart in beautiful ways, and had all kinds of wonderful eccentricities - which is also the problem, because XP was insecure af. Windows 7 got right what they figured out by Vista Service Pack 2 as far as security. Less aesthetics, less access to the internals, but also probably “better” for a normie.

  The rule is supposedly that every other one is good or something. Maybe 12 will be good?

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• doctortofu@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Seems an alternative, easier method was found: windowscentral.com/…/an-even-better-microsoft-acc…

  Relevant part:

  But fret not, as a new, perhaps better bypass has already been discovered that still uses the command prompt (which you can open with Shift + F10) and makes skipping the Microsoft Account sign-in step a total breeze.

  Discovered by user @witherornot1337 on X, typing “start ms-cxh:localonly” into the command prompt during the Windows 11 setup experience will allow you to create a local account directly without needing to skip connecting to the internet first.

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  • ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Shit like that has to be a leak, idk how else you’d just pull that out of one’s ass.

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “The bypass uses a CXH (cloud experience host) URI (Uniform Resource Identifier) string during the OOBE to invoke the hidden local account setup screen.” this had to be data mined or something yeah.

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• barnaclebutt@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  L I N U X

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  • GladiusB@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    1000 percent. I did this for myself a year ago and haven’t looked back.

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    • rasakaf679@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I did 6 months back to linux mint. The experience is smooth

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• MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I will just have to sign it up to a domain then add a local user using the command prompt. Still a lot more trouble than installing it should be but I will not give in to this garbage push to make everyone have a microsoft account. I disable the store and all of it on every PC I install.

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• teohhanhui@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  NRO

  Doesn’t that remind anyone of this other NRO? en.wikipedia.org/…/National_Reconnaissance_Office

  Image

  (Image source: en.wikipedia.org/…/National_Reconnaissance_Office…)

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• network_switch@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  More and more people just need to switch to Linux and grow the userbase so more and more proprietary software create Linux builds just like how Maya and Davinci Resolve are available for Linux. If your computer is a web browser, you should be on Linux. Firefox, Chrome, Edge are all on Linux

  If you’re a casual photo editor, Darktable. A casual photo editor can probably be well served with GIMP or Krita. If you’re a web browser and digital painter Krita. If you edit videos, Davinci Resolve and Kdenlive. Office - OnlyOffice, Libre office, WPS Office

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  • turnip@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or you can always pay for Wine and help it develop. Usually popular applications work well.

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• hark@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Noooooo!!! You can’t just force us to use a Microsoft account!!! You have to allow us to use the bypasserino!!! Noooooooo!!!

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• WorkshopBubby@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So happy that I switched to linux. Microsoft has been one of the main forces of enshitification of the world. Fuck em. I cant play a bunch of games with my friends anymore, and I have to learn a few new CAD programs, which is like 10 thousand hours of work that I am flushing down the toilet. Worth it.

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• cortex7979@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fix:

  open this site: schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/

  check your options that you like

  download your xml

  download win 11 iso

  put on stick with the downloaded xml file

  install win 11

  profit

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  • Bazoogle@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve had issues with the installer from 24H2 for my unattended. I had to use the previous versions installer and installed the 24H2 ISO.

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• wtckt@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just had to set up two pcs for work. Trying to get around the account setup and thinking about all the bullshit that comes with windows I just installed Linux mint.

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  • isaacblach@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m switching as soon as I finish grad school.

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• Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity

  And what if someone doesn’t have internet connectivity?

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But then how we can put advertisements in the Start Menu, and spy on them once our Project2025 overlords want the general populous to be fully committed to extremist christianity 24/7?

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  • Nontheidealchoise@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    no computer for you

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• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is this a US thing? I had to install windows 11 in a VM like a month ago and I didn’t have to create MS account or use any bypass scripts.

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  • mikey@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    in the latest preview build

    i assume you didn’t install today’s beta release a month ago 😉

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    • Bazoogle@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Install it with the English (World) region

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• alvyn@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Off course, coz they wanna sell user behavior to marketers. This bullshit talks about the improved security are funny. I will never use anything from Microsoft or Google for personal stuff. I have to yet eliminate Apple - in progress.

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• Mio@feddit.nu ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is insecure to create one account with username and password during the setup process. The password should always come from your password manager. But you would not have access to your password manager during the installation process.

  Please remove this step.

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  • Don_alForno@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You also would not have access to your password manager when logging into your OS, would you?

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    • Mio@feddit.nu ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your new account will be online. Can access OneDrive and everything Microsoft Online offers. That means anyone with internet access can try to login to it so it has to be very secure.

      Windows Hello can be used for local login. But I agree with you. I would love to be able to access my Keepassxc vault during the login process. But that might be hard to archive so better to use Windows Hello.

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    • Blemgo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      While that is true, logging into your OS can also be done via 2FA, namely via a smartcard. It’d offer a similar protection to it, if not better.

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  • kamen@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Fair point, but good luck convincing them about it.

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• randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  IMO, Windows without a Microsoft account misses out on the least features, when compared to macOS without an Apple ID, iOS without an Apple ID, or Android without a Google accout. Sad that Microsoft keeps making it more and more difficult to bypass logging into a Microsoft accout during installation. But I use Linux anyways (btw)

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  • smiletolerantly@awful.systems ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Android without a Google account is great though

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    • randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That is nice, but I need the Google Play Services for push notifications on the messaging app that everyone in my country uses. It’s sad, I know. If it weren’t for that I wouldn’t log in to a Google account on my Android phone either.

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• endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Are people shocked that windows keeps removing things that allow the os to be usable and debloated?

  Copilot recording your screen will be a non optional feature before win11 is over.

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  • Bazoogle@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Image

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• r_deckard@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I put this in another thread: It’s not a big deal. They’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script, which is just this:

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  @echo off

  reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f

  shutdown /r /t 0

  ---

  You can still use shift-F10 at the same point, type those two lines (not the @ECHO OFF), and it will achieve the same result.

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  • Kolle@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    start ms-cxh:localonly

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  • Sundiata@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    upvoted for visibility.

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  • vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A bitch to remember compared to the bypassnro though.

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    • r_deckard@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You know, if you copied those three lines into a text file, then saved it as bypassnro.cmd, you’ll have solved that problem.

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  • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Its not a big deal the same way cancelling adobe subscription is not a big deal.

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    • elucubra@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have to have Windows, a VM at least, for reasons.

      A nameless install, decrapified with [Chris Titus’ decrapifier, installer and streamliner script]((christitus.com/windows-tool/) is actually decent

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    • Flatfire@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean, not really. You had to open command prompt anyways. The command is just a bit different now. There’s no monetary penalty here, just a few more keystrokes.

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  • Rooty@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I will copypaste your comment next time people complain linux is hard to learn.

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    • glitchdx@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      if someone says linux is hard to learn, that person isn’t making regestry edits.

      That said, windows used to be intuitive, but they peaked with xp and it’s been a downhill slide since.

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    • Traister101@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s actually so bad lol. Idk what Microsoft has against - for args but it’s fuckn annoying

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  • green@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So you’re telling me 2% of new Window’s users won’t be forced to make an account? Neat!

    This is not about the technically savvy. The populace is being conditioned into not owning what they purchase. This will in turn make everyone’s life worse.

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    • Flatfire@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ultimately this change, while frustrating, probably doesn’t change the initial value for those who fit these two categories:

      • Needs Windows
      • Cares about their privacy

      These people were already going to go out of their way to use the OOBE bypass. They still will. This is no more effort thanbit already was.

      Microsoft crossed the line already by disallowing offline account creation through their default setup process.

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• IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Apple does this.

  Microsoft is now doing this.

  I wonder how long until Google start doing it with Android 🤔

  This future is so fucking dystopian

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  • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The future is bright on Linux

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    • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sadly, no linux phones that are actually usable.

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  • sparky@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can still very easily use macOS without an Apple ID or iCloud account, actually. You lose out on iMessage, FaceTime and the App Store, basically. But that’s about it. And they don’t nag you about it ever again unless you try to send an iMessage or what have you.

    On iOS and Android it’s effectively a requirement though, because App Store / Google Play. Phone is not too useful if you can’t install any apps.

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    • randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Agree. On iOS, if you don’t login with an Apple ID, you can’t really install apps. On Android though you can just use F-Droid to install apps just fine.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Arent they already for official OEM ROMs?

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No

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    • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Really?

      I’ve used Samsung and Motorola Android phones, I can set them up offline.

      I assume every other OEM is the same.

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• FuryMaker@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This with Windows 11 LTSC IoT edition?

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• LiamMayfair@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A few weeks ago I helped one my client’s employees set up their brand new laptop, which came with Win11 installed, of course. They just need it for basic work stuff and there’s no chance in hell anything other than Windows is a viable option here.

  We work remotely so I would help them get set up to a point where they could at least share their screen to me, or I could take over via remote access myself. I just needed to guide them through the steps “blind” for a short while.

  So we go through the Windows 11 first time setup together. All seems to go ok until Windows asks them to log into their MS account or create one. No problem, we should be able to do that, right? Only that we can’t. We’re connected to the WiFi, etc., yet they get some generic ass error message like “Sorry, something went wrong” and that’s that.

  Ok, so we can’t log in with an online account. Let’s try offline as a fallback! We set the username, password… “Sorry, something went wrong” again. I don’t use Windows myself, I’ve been a Linux user for years now, I don’t have any freaking clue how to remotely diagnose an vague issue that literally prevents them from getting the laptop to a functional state. So I Google the problem and the recommended answer is to run this magic “bypassnro” command. It will cut all the mandatory online account bullshit, move straight to a reliable offline account setup screen, and allow us to, you know, actually do work? And it worked!

  If I hadn’t had that command at my disposal, that I had to use to work around Microsoft’s broken ass setup UX, I would’ve probably spent twice or three times longer coaching my non-tech-savvy client through booting into fail safe mode and doing all kinds of arcane sysadmin shit that I don’t even have to ever think about in Linux. All this just to get them into the desktop.

  And Microsoft have decided to take it away. Nice one.

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  • AlphaOmega@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was trying to set up win 11 laptop for my mom and ran into S mode, that took like an hour to walk my elderly mom through the steps to disable it so I could remote in. Finally gave up and grab a MS approved remote desktop app to remote in a disable the S mode, its s for Shit. Of course the other remote desktop app crashed. Sorry family, no more windows PCs for you

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    • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You could’ve just had your mom install linux and you wouldn’t have to remote in since theres nothing to do. Everything just works.

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• eronth@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I use that command partially because Microsoft accounts don’t allow passwords as long as the password I like to use for my PC

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  • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Which suggests to me that MS stores plaintext passwords. Because a hash function doesn’t care about the length of what it’s hashing, the output will always be the same length, so they could verify a 300 character password with the same storage space as a 3 character password.

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    • capybara@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not how it works. You don’t attempt to guess the hashed password, you guess a password which then is hashed

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  • oysterenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Genuine question:

    What’s the point of a long password on Windows? I understand that you sometimes don’t want people accessing your stuff, but at it takes to bypass that and someone access your files is booting off of a USB stick. Or do you perhaps use full disk encryption?

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    • eronth@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s mostly my penchant for longer passwords in general. I did not plan to swap up strategies for my personal PC login account. Seeing microsoft demand a shorter password than I use almost everywhere else was… not promising.

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    • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Most people are more worried about remote attackers than someone physically putting hands on their PC. But, yes, you should pretty much without exception be using full disk encryption.

      It’s very assholish of Microsoft to lock bitlocker behind the Pro license.

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  • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    are you a horse battery staple wizard

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    • DJDarren@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Correct

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    • eronth@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Basically. It’s essentially a full-on sentence and last time I looked, Microsoft allowed about half the character length.

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• O_R_I_O_N@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fuck Microsoft! Use Linux Mint

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  • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is mint still using that old gnome fork DE? KDE Plasma might be a nicer and still familiar experience for people coming from windows

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    • vala@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s a fork of Gnome but its well maintined, very familliar to windows users, and very reliable.

      I personally pefer KDE but Cinnamon is likely a better choice for new users.

      Not to mention, Mint itself is a super reliable distro. I use Fedora but keep my partner on Mint and she has maybe 10% of the issues I do.

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    • cmlael67@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, Mint uses Cinnamon desktop by default, which I believe was forked from Gnome. I like it, although I’m using Kubuntu at the moment. Cinnamon has that Windows-y look and feel to it, and retains some of the Gnome advantages.

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• TheRealAsmodeus@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just another reason to switch to Linux

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• demizerone@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A couple of years ago it took MD three tries to install windows without a bunch if junk added. Linux is the way my dudes and dudettes.

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• ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I still have an old copy of the installer with that command intact. Might be good to keep around.

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  • FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    this right here. I had to switch back to windows as just too much software I needed to use doesn’t work on Linux wine or proton be damned. so I just use 21H2 until either Linux support becomes more mainstream or until the less likely option of Microsoft un-enshittifying. (LOL)

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• SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I just bypass the requirement by installing Linux Mint instead

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  • swankypantsu@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I did the same on my media center mini PC. Any idea how to check/enable HDR?

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      HDR is kinda complicated right now.

      As it stands, it’s only available on the Plasma and Gnome desktop environments.

      The HDR stack on Linux has went through a lot of change recently, and much of the stack has only just been finalised/standardised. It’ll take a while to mature, and to arrive on distros like Mint.

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    • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What is hdr and why do people care about it?

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    • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’ll want to not use cinnamon for HDR, cinnamon is not going to get it for a very long time, KDE is a much more up to date environment and it works mostly out of the box on the most recent versions.

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    • ziggurat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The answer is a bit complicated. Linux has a long history with HDR where you would need exact software and hardware, or else no HDR… Just know that it will get easier because the ball has already started to roll in the correct direction.

      But the shortest way I can say it now,

      If you use Valve’s game mode, (which is possible to get either using steamos, bazzite, chimera OS, nobara, or you can manually set it up. You should be able to get it to work. This should work for windows games that support HDR. AFAIK there are no Linux games yet supporting HDR. It should be possible to get videos playing with HDR also, but that would be an exercise for the reader, or wait until people make it easier.

      Please correct me if I am wrong, but I currently believe the newest version, of KDE and Gnome are now HDR ready. If I am wrong you might just need the newest beta which will become stable Q2 this year.

      Playing videos, I believe the newest version of MPV just got HDR support. With more apps incoming.

      Anything that let’s a gamepad or a remote browse your videos? AFAIK not yet, but be patient, as this is all new

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• Zeoic@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Never understood why that batch script even became popular… its so much easier to just choose install for an organization, then just never domain join it. Makes a local account, and is much easier

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  • Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    the problem with this is it doesn’t work for home users that want to pay for their software. Crazy… I know… but those people do exist.

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    • Zeoic@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah, the home version is so limited that I basically just didn’t even consider it an option. I guess if someone buys that version, then yeah thats not an option.

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• Antaeus@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So here we go. Kiosk machines with random Microsoft account and MFA to private phone numbers. Glad I don’t have to manage that pile of s**t.

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  • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s what W10 LTSC is for.

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    • Antaeus@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Until that isn’t supported anymore, yes. It’s a solution… for now.

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• ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The command OOBE\bypassnro (.cmd) one types into the command prompt (after opening it with Shift+F10) for the bypass is the location of a batch file they will be removing. You can still do whatever it’s doing (adding a registry key and restarting) by typing the command manually or providing a copy of the file on a USB drive. After a restart, the OS will check for the registry key AND lack of internet connection to provide the local account option.

  For the record, the contents of the file are

  @echo off
  reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG\_DWORD /d 1 /f
  shutdown /r /t 0
  

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  • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thank you! I’ve bookmarked this for next time I have a Windows reinstall! Hoping it still works then…

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• Xerxos@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How the hell are we supposed to install it without a Internet connection? I worked in a company that was so hard on security that only certified machines were allowed access to the net, so virtual machines were not allowed to access the LAN and therefore the Internet. Generally not a problem as we just used them to test software on different OS versions, so no Internet required.

  This change disallows all offline installs. What is their gain? Are they that keen on our data or are they planning to use the connection to a Microsoft account for something even worse than just selling personal information? I could think of a few reasons and none are nice…

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