There you go little guy
Submitted 1 year ago by Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net to [deleted]
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NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
veganpizza69@lemmy.world 1 year ago
fuck cars
fermuch@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Let’s destroy capitalism with bikes! (And ebikes for long distances)
PixeIOrange@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Controversal take: Ebikes are capitalismized bikes.
tweeks@feddit.nl 1 year ago
(and motorbikes for even longer distances, and ca… wait)
niktemadur@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Who took the picture?
The speedcam cam!Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If speed cameras are less biased than humans when issuing tickets, I see them as a fairer method of speed enforcement. Also safer for POC to receive a ticket in the mail, as opposed to a roadside traffic stop.
archomrade@midwest.social 1 year ago
It’s less a problem with racial profiling and more a problem with it being a poverty-tax.
Enforcing a flat-rate fee structure with speed cameras disproportionately hurts low-income drivers (who are already economically unstable), and allocating state/city funding toward road maintenance instead of public transit infrastructure pushes people into a loop of auto costs-> traffic fines -> loss of work -> more financial insecurity, ect.
True enough: reducing officer interactions is a good thing, but those cops end up spending that saved time escalating other non-violent interactions instead. If that’s your goal, you should be de-funding and reforming law enforcement, not automating fine collection.
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
All true. It could be a positive step but very small change by itself. Police are one part of criminal justice system that need massive reform.
greyw0lv@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Well said. My biggest issue is tickets funding road maintance, rather than traffic calming and transit. But flat-rate is also a big issue.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I don’t disagree, but I also think speeding is the least dangerous thing that happens on the road.
Where are the cameras catching tailgaters, people who don’t signal, people cutting others off, people cruising in the left and not passing, people blatantly running stop signs, people texting or doing makeup?
These behaviors are all far more dangerous.
Speeding is a psychological problem. You can’t take a four-lane, straight, flat, state highwayswith few cross-roads, and all of a sudden it’s a 20MPH zone because there’s a school on it (and an elevated crosswalk at that), then throw a camera on it and make a money generating machine.
I mean, you can…Rhode Island does it. At least in the poorer neighborhoods. They don’t do it in the nice neighborhoods (well, most of them…I guess Blackstone Blvd is like the one exception). But it’s not really doing anything but pissing people off.
frazorth@feddit.uk 1 year ago
people cruising in the left
This is a camera on a single lane road in the UK. They should be driving on the left.
vividspecter@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You’re right that streets should be designed such that low speeds feel inevitable and not something you have to think about, and that they should serve one purpose and not two (no stroads). And highways should completely bypass cities, because the idea that they should cut through them is just absurd.
Where are the cameras catching tailgaters, people who don’t signal, people cutting others off, people cruising in the left and not passing, people blatantly running stop signs, people texting or doing makeup?
The technology to do this is more challenging then detecting speeding. Red-light cameras are also very common, because they are relatively easy to implement. I believe there is some tech for texting while driving at least, but I’m not sure how automated it is.
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Force = Mass times Acceleration.
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Lemmy: Fuck cars! Lemmy: Fuck the police! Lemmy, when someone sabotages the most viable alternative to traffic stops to prevent people from speeding: Yes very good. This is good for society.
NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Narrowing roads and making them less straight also lowers speeding
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 year ago
For reasonable people yes, but those that go 30km/h over the speed limit every time don’t care and will always drive as fast as possible in those sections. I once met a guy who claimed to know down to the exact last km/h how fast he could drive until the car lost control in every single curve of a quite curvy road segment. Is it save to drive like that? Absolutely fucking not. Does he car(e)? Also absolutely fucking not.
Skyrmir@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I dunno if you’ve tried, but I’m here to tell ya, cobble stone streets will absolutely stop speeding really quick.
Norkos@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Nope, just observed it on this weekend on a cobble stone street in very bad condition. It was a 30 km/h zone and other drivers where more about 50.
While I, who only had a driver’s license for 3 months, tried not to break the suspension of my car (obviously unfounded).
Hildegarde@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The most viable alternative to traffic stops is a narrow chicane with solid bollards on either side, although oher traffic calming devices are available.
Traffic cameras exist to generate revenue, not to make the streets safer. Intersections with red light cameras almost always have shorter yellow lights, to increase revenue while making the intersection less safe.
NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Traffic Cameras can and do reduce speeding if implemented properly
frazorth@feddit.uk 1 year ago
No. Traffic cameras in your area are there to generate revenue.
The camera being covered here is not at an intersection so your offtopic comment about revenue is irrelevant. This is a camera on a stretch of road where drivers usually speed, the cameras are painted bright yellow to make them obvious and do a far better job of getting people to slow for hazardous corners than a sign ever did.
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In California the duration of yellow is determined by a formula incorporating the roads speed limit. If yellow light duration is less than the formula would set, the traffic ticket is dismissed. I’m guessing most states have a similar law.
Phegan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How is this not “fuck the police” it’s a camera, controlled by the police, to surveil people.
auzy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It only surveils idiots who are speeding.
Why is this not fuvk people who put pedestrians, cyclists and other drivers in danger
theonetruedroid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Lemmy users can believe in different things. We need differing opinions or it just stifles a website.
PlexSheep@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Those are different kinds of lemmings
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Better rule: when someone sabotaged surveillance state infrastructure, don’t post footage of them doing it
archomrade@midwest.social 1 year ago
Lemmy try not to post crimes challenge - impossible. Granted, as far as crimes go, this one seems innocuous enough, but still.
I’ve been told repeatedly on c/piracy that lemmy is just too small to attract the attention of law enforcement and three-letter agencies
Paradoxically, I’ve also been told that lemmy is rife with state-sponsored troll farms, so…?
renzev@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Shitposts!? On MY shitposting community!?? It’s more likely than you think!
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
LaLuzDelSol (on Lemmy): thinks Lemmy is one person
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I generalize ofc but those are definitely the prevailing viewpoints, which seem contradictory.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why do I keep talking to myself and contradicting every other thing I say?
(Taking this to its logical conclusion, in case I forget why I wrote this when I read it later and feel like arguing with myself about it)
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Speed traps are just a tool to further monetize and rent seek car culture in the absence of public transit.
You can, in fact, hate both cars and infrastructure that exists solely to make using a car more expensive.
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They do not exist solely to collect revenue, although they certainly do that as well. They have been proven time and again to reduce speeding and fatalities, as other commenters in this thread have pointed out. As far as using traffic cameras to reduce police forces, I haven’t been able to find that exactly, but there are plenty of examples of deploying traffic cameras to work around a shortage of officers which works out to the same thing.
WordBox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Source on speeding cameras working for anything other than revenue generation?
Nurgus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In the UK (Where the op picture is) the police cannot collect the revenue from cameras and other fines. It all goes to the gov so the cops have zero financial incentive to install speed cameras.
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
If that were the case, they would be hidden.
They are a deterrent for speeding most of all.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Yeah, can you imagine? Cars actually driving below speed limits and not risking everyone’s lives? Good thing this buddy makes side we can all speed like idiots instt
Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
If only speed cameras worked to lower the speed anyone travels at… Realistically, people are going to drive the speed that feels safe for that road, and a speed camera is just going to disproportionately punish people without the money to pay the fines.
Make roads that are designed for the speed you want people to drive at, not wide open expanses that give no actual reason to slow down.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Oh I agree with that, I’m just saying that bthese types that do these things aren’t doing it for the principle of it, they do it because they’re assholes that want to speed
Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Traffic jams are caused by speedcameras because those who are speeding hit the fucking break paddle as hard as i want to slap you for saying bullshit
Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s not true. They are not traveling at safe speeds. Crashes over 70 mph have a sharply increased risk of fatality. Yet people routinely choose to go faster. They even choose to bully people who won’t go faster on 65 mph roads.
Rules are put in place for a reason, but people treat speeding like an oopsie daisy because that’s how the law treats it. We need more speed enforcement and tougher penalties. Not less. This is an area where people’s feelings are very very wrong.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If only speed cameras worked to lower the speed anyone travels at
They do. They objectively do. How are there so many people all over this thread just confidently asserting complete, disprovable bullshit, and why is it getting upvoted? From the Cochrane systematic review:
Thirty five studies met the inclusion criteria. Compared with controls, the relative reduction in average speed ranged from 1% to 15% and the reduction in proportion of vehicles speeding ranged from 14% to 65%. In the vicinity of camera sites, the pre/post reductions ranged from 8% to 49% for all crashes and 11% to 44% for fatal and serious injury crashes. Compared with controls, the relative improvement in pre/post injury crash proportions ranged from 8% to 50%.
Authors’ conclusions: Despite the methodological limitations and the variability in degree of signal to noise effect, the consistency of reported reductions in speed and crash outcomes across all studies show that speed cameras are a worthwhile intervention for reducing the number of road traffic injuries and deaths. However, whilst the the evidence base clearly demonstrates a positive direction in the effect, an overall magnitude of this effect is currently not deducible due to heterogeneity and lack of methodological rigour. More studies of a scientifically rigorous and homogenous nature are necessary, to provide the answer to the magnitude of effect.
ronflex@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As in a camera that catches people for speeding? Sounds like some bootlicker behavior if you ask me
nonentity@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
One could enhance it into an art installation with thermite.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 year ago
maybe their 7-11 doesn’t sell it
gallopingsnail@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Why buy what you can easily make at home?
then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Road safety is bad mmkay
AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 year ago
[deleted]then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In the vicinity of camera sites, the pre/post reductions ranged from 8% to 49% for all crashes and 11% to 44% for fatal and serious injury crashes. Compared with controls, the relative improvement in pre/post injury crash proportions ranged from 8% to 50%.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Sure sure, the speed cam after the slope is for safety, mhm.
JayDee@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Probably you should be breaking on the hill? Regardless of if you’re foot’s on the gas or your just letting the slope do the work, you’re still speeding which is a hazard.
Yeah, I’m sure it also racks up some revenue too. Why not get a few more bucks while keeping the careless on their toes?
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Another stereotype busted for me. I really thought it’s an ex-Soviet thing. “Скажи-ка, дядя, ведь недаром в кустах ты прячешься с радаром?”
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 year ago
cameras do NOT make the roads safer. it’s a revenue stream based off ripping off it’s citizens. if anything everyone slams on their brakes when they see one causing more accidents.
oo1@lemmings.world 1 year ago
It’s well in the shade already.
babybus@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Just wait until the turtle turns a little.
Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
That is a really confusing perspective
zante@lemmy.wtf 1 year ago
90s take
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The absolute entitlement.
jaybone@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is the most Lemmy thread ever. If only my instance hadn’t blocked hexbear. ❤️❤️❤️
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Is it the cars, or is it police using laws as revenue generators that intentionally affect the poor disproportionately?
Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Looks like they should do the cameras in a different order.
whome@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Reminds me of a past mayor of the city I live in. One of his talking points was too get rid of the speeding cameras in the city. He came into office and did a photo op covering the first camera. A few weeks later his son died due to an accident caused by wreckless speeding driver in City center.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Speeding cameras wouldn’t have changed that.
usa.streetsblog.org/…/is-automated-enforcement-ma…
Not to mention, many cameras are hidden and create false positives. They get mailed tickets and have to spend a day in court.
smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
The driver may have been reckless, but the incident was not wreckless (lack of a wreck)
TheOakTree@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Did it convince him to change his mind on that his policy on the cameras? Or did he just continue on?
greyw0lv@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Certainly not an accident. That was a entirely preventable collision
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
That’s sad.