I came here to banish reddit but this thing wont leave my feed. I guess I’m going to have to take the time to filter the word.
Reddit is making sitewide protests basically impossible
Submitted 1 year ago by KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/30/24253727/reddit-communities-subreddits-request-protests
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Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Clbull@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m thinking the API protests would have been more effective if y’all just stopped moderating entirely instead of locking down subreddits.
Let the site turn into an absolute cesspool.
Voltage@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Subs which did that had their mods replaced by reddit admins
punkcoder@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The real question you have to ask yourself is how long they can do that before it starts to affect their bottom line.
chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Is that the site we all left cuz it’s a turd? Yeah? Don’t care. It’s called principle.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Reddit vacillates between operating as a clearing house for the most ugly, racist, reactionary propaganda currently in circulation and doing pogroms against the six subreddits that got popular posting current events about a new kind of genocide we invented.
I’m glad I left, but it’s hard not to look over my shoulder and notice they’re doing the same fascist bucket carrying from 2020 and 2016 and 2012 and 2008 and…
gwen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
a new kind of genocide we invented.
???
AprilShowers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
There are many valid reasons outside of a sitewide protest for a subreddit to go from public to private, so Reddit doing this is a scummy move on more than just one level. Just one more reason why free alternatives like lemmy are superior.
yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I loved that the VP of Content added that mods will still be able to protest when Reddit is literally is getting rid of major tools for mods to do an effective protest. Like, I get that Reddit is a company, and that it’s a platform they own, and that they lose profit whenever a big subreddits get privated, but they keep giving mods middle finger after middle finger.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
What they don’t seem to understand is that Reddit employees don’t create value, the users create value. And mods are users. The more they make things shitty for users, the more quickly the company will go bankrupt. I distinctly remember stories about killing golden geese and milking cows to death but the MBA crowd must not have been told those growing up.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
writes Nestler. “We want to hear from you when you think Reddit is making decisions that are not in your communities’ best interests. But if a protest crosses the line into harming redditors and Reddit, we’ll step in.”
Translation: We don’t really give a shit what you think. Now shut up and generate that content for us to sell to AI companies.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
If can protest in a way that drives engagement makes are numbers better it’s allowed. Lmao what clowns.
Its like the king says you can send him extra grain as a protest for this years unfair taxes
regeya@lemmy.world 1 year ago
At this point I’m more or less done with Reddit. My latest ban was because I posted a screenshot of an ad with a wacky old person comment. I carefully smudged out the person’s name and profile pic…and got a three-day site-wide ban for sharing personal information. I protested, they said, nope, you shared personal information. All I can figure is they decided the advertiser’s name is personal info, which would make it even more bizarre because I’d say about half the posts have group or advertiser names unedited.
People they let mod, can end up getting this really bizarre God complex not dissimilar to what you see in university settings, their word goes, questioning their word is a sin and they’ll just double down.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s not as bad here but I already ran into having a comment of mine deleted from a sub because I suggested that Peter Molyneux is a scam artist, no longer a developer, if he ever couod be considered one. I didn’t think that was such an outlandish position that it warranted deletion. But it was removed with an exceptionally vague reason and they wouldn’t responded to me asking for an explanation. So how am I supposed to even know when my opinion will offend a tender soul there? My guess is peter Molyneux himself was the mod. Lol
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Indeed, fuck reddit and their Russian shills. I was permanently banned for commenting about the Russians receiving a dose of their own medicine and I did not use a single swear word.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I protested, they said, nope
Protesting on a site that’s fully automated their administration just means getting told “fuck you” twice.
ameancow@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My ban was for quoting someone who said a slur so they couldn’t edit their comment after I reported it, and I said as much in my report.
It’s the moderators, they are dumb as fuck because there’s no consequence because they’re all volunteers. The only thing stupider than the volunteer mods who don’t demand pay, are the people who get hung up on what moderators are doing or not. We should have all stopped taking reddit so seriously a long, long time ago. Protests? Jesus christ, a reddit protest does as much real-world good as a kindergarten protest by the children mad that they can’t get more cookies.
ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 1 year ago
Reddit, like all major social media, have really been making me feel like dead internet “theory” is real.
whyalone@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I am done with reddit since last year, it s a power hungry incel moderation website
nek0d3r@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve had almost all my posts on Reddit go up in smoke for one pedantic reason or another. I haven’t posted here much out of that fear but I think it’s much better here.
umbraroze@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Moderators will now have to submit a request if they want to switch their subreddit from public to private.
But do they have to submit a request if they tell the audience “fuck it, this is now a sub about X, we’ll remove everything that’s not about X”?
…In fact, fuck any particular topic - if the mods approve of it, every subreddit can actually be about whatever people think it should be about, now that we think about it. If the mods don’t do it, will the admins do it? The answer is: Highly unlikely
BlackDragon@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
But do they have to submit a request if they tell the audience “fuck it, this is now a sub about X, we’ll remove everything that’s not about X”?
No that just isn’t allowed. I’m not joking, the admins have removed entire mod teams and installed new ones because the mod teams decided to change the topic of the sub.
Draegur@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Is that why the animetitties sub now has actual anime titties again instead of being a more serious version of world news like it was for a while?
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
/r/trees will only accept tree related posts
berno@lemmy.world 1 year ago
FUCK SPEZ
demizerone@lemmy.world 1 year ago
OBEY
IceHouse@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I ran a subreddit for my discord server that we would sometimes post pictures to and find new members and after we stopped using reddit about 7 months later bots started reposting my own pictures and random bot accounts were reposting old comments. It was really weird for my ~2000 people sub that was under the radar and never reall popular.
chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bots building post history in an abandoned looking sub. Usually done to get access to some other sub.
With the right looking post history you can scam your way onto a surprising large number of moderation teams.
Turious@leaf.dance 1 year ago
I’m out of the loop on Reddit, but I was beyond a power user on there two years ago. Back then, if every human user on the site stopped using the site, the admins would not have noticed any difference because nearly every post was bot networks reposting old top posts and filling the comments with the exact comments from the last time it got upvoted.
Garbage website. I miss it for what it was capable of for a while there.
SulaymanF@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The internet always moves on; the most popular bulletin boards and usenet groups and web forums eventually fell and people moved away. Even Digg had a powerful following and heavy user traffic and due to Reddit style changes everyone left too. Reddit just as likely.
theonetruedroid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My oldest Reddit account is 15 years old. That site is a shell of what it used to be. It’s lost almost everything that made it special in the first place. The community is also too large in my opinion. We went from well-thought-out posts, comments and questions to memes and one-liners. It’s toxic, hive minded and full of bots.
r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 1 year ago
I feel like Lemmy also has a problem with corporate troll farms.
Reddit is far worse though with bots and establishment troll farm shill accounts.
Mobiledecay@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They can’t have anyone but themselves breaking the site. 😂 People should figure out a good way to protest Reddit. Ddos attacks can’t be fixed. 😁
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
30 terabyte of Rick Astley per second should do nicely.
normalexit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The other option is for all the mods to quit. AI can probably do a lot of basic tasks, but without mods they wouldn’t have a site pretty quickly.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Quite a few of the mods are severing alternative interests. The partisan subs are run by literal party staffers and think tanks. Lots of the big brand subs are run by marketing agencies. Reddit’s financial model is to sell these spaces. You don’t just have some random mega-fan running /r/Marvel. That’s a Disney staffer.
None of these guys are going anywhere.
ameancow@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nobody is going to quit, all mod roles can be replaced in minutes with people excited to do it.
Also, who cares, the site has a clock over it, in a few years most users will be bots and children and all content will be farmed slop akin to youtube.
Furthermore, if anyone thinks that “protests” on reddit accomplish ANYTHING that person is a literal child, or someone else who shouldn’t be trusted to operate heavy machinery.
Whatever high ideals we had for reddit a decade ago are long-since dead and buried and that’s fine, instead of whinging about what we lost we should be trying to figure out what to build next to maintain some semblance of an internet in an age of AI slop.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
What would these busybodies do with their free time then and how would they obtain a sense of self worth ? They can’t quit, deleting other people from the internet is their whole life.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
That’s easy - they’d come to Lemmy and become Lemmy mods to achieve the same thing.
gorgori@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In the next protest mods should allow content like porn as another way of protest.
RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
“This sub is now entirely dedicated to u/Spez’s involvement in moderating jailbait subreddits”
tiny@midwest.social 1 year ago
I believe mods tried this and reddit purged the mods when subreddits only allowed John Oliver images.
o0oradaro0o@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They address this. “The policy applies to adjusting all community types, meaning moderators will have to request to make a switch from safe for work to not safe for work, too.”
exanime@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Stop using Reddit, problem solved
ameancow@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What? and lose THE MOST EFFECTIVE PROTEST PLATFORM EVER MADE? I couldn’t imagine what else we would use to teach corporations and politicians a harsh lesson (insert giant eye rolling emoji)
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I lieu of that, I’d say the mods should just go limp. Stop moderating content and let posters run wild. The company needs to realize just how much their business model depends on all that unpaid labor.
exanime@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think they realize but know these mods are addicted to the fake power so they won’t go anywhere no matter what
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In favor of what is the problem. In Lemmy half the instances have defederated from half the others.
People use Reddit because there’s only one Reddit. Coming to such a center is human nature, while Fediverse architecture is someone’s strategy. Changing your strategy is simpler than changing human nature.
If we drop the tech religion part of the subject, NOSTR moderated communities are a very good thing as a global, not per-instance, Reddit alternative. You can clearly see that its core idea is chosen by people who are more confident with human psychology than with tech. And it’s good for that very reason. It’s an ugly real solution.
Except all clients suck balls and there’s nothing to see there yet.
mwguy@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Is NOSTR any good? I’ve heard a bit about it but I haven’t gotten my feet wet yet.
exanime@lemmy.world 1 year ago
True, the fediverse is poor. But Reddit is the bottom of the barrel in its current state.
Best to waste time watching paint dry to be honest
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
They could just not moderate it tho. Reddit is a toxic workpplace (for free) for mods.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I recently wanted to ask something reddit after 2 years away, because a certain mod dev is there. Got a message it got deleted because i don’t have the karma to post there. Thanks for the effort, never again. That’s why i don’t write on Stack Overflow.
creamy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Most self destructive design choice I’ve ever seen on a site
How the fuck are you supposed to get new users if nobody can even post!?
rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
A friend and I were recently discussing how spineless modern boycotts are.
We set a goddamn deadline for when the Reddit boycott ended. No wonder Spez just waited. Most people then just continued using the website. What a disgrace.
Imagine if after one week of the genocide in Gaza, the BDS efforts just stopped. A boycott must be indefinite. It should go on until demands are met.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It’s because it was being done by terminally online Redditors, not using the site was more painful for them than the site itself.
Pulptastic@midwest.social 1 year ago
A boycott that doesn’t hurt has no leverage.
Stern@lemmy.world 1 year ago
like 10 seconds in automod to get right around that shit lmao.
uis@lemm.ee 1 year ago
As a russian I knew it will happen.
Now I wonder what Ukraine Reddit will start war with? EU? FTC? Fediverse? Something to keep it in permanent state of emergency. Bots? Adblockers?
pdxfed@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Here’s the VP of Reddit’s community cited in the article, Laura Nestler, preaching super engagement from a platforms most fanatical users to power content for the 90%.
She suggests, intrinsic motivators such as “autonomy”.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=vWUMW6Ovf6o
She was at Yelp prior, which if you want to look at a steaming pile of a wasted company, man give reddit 5-10 years.
interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Lack of imagination.
Mods can still dump 10k trash messages in a sub making it unusable. (Or smart messages in the case of most subreddit who are trash anyway).
Set-up automoderator with rules reventing anyone below 5 billions karma to participate.
Ban everyone.
I’m sure there are a lot of other options.
manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I just checked and theyve banned my private subreddit for lack of moderation
Angrywaffle2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not surprised. I’m on this site because I’m sick of being banned on reddit for thinking wrong.
LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 1 year ago
fuck u/spez
redditrassholes9344@discuss.online 1 year ago
This is not a smart choice, they do know that the alternative to peaceful protests like this is violent protest right? They want to challenge that or do they think it won’t be done because it’s “illegal”, that didn’t stop these guys now did it?
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 year ago
The same day Nestler and I talked, for example, she said that she had spoken about the changes with Reddit’s mod council, which has about 160 moderators.
Wow. So many power-hungry people in one room.
nutsack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
if i post on reddit, anything at all, my account will be suspended immediately. i think there is a black list on my ISP or maybe my entire country. i can appeal the suspension every day but nobody will read it. i literally can’t use reddit.
Ramenhunter84@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ugh reddit mod community makes me so angry… Glad I left that shithole
helloworld55@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m so glad I have a Reddit alternative now like Lemmy. Every news article I see about some corporate move Reddit makes, it seems further and further removed from the community-driven website I had hoped it would be.