…I’m gonna go ahead and say it.
I like it better here.
Reddit is making sitewide protests basically impossible
Submitted 1 month ago by KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/30/24253727/reddit-communities-subreddits-request-protests
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GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 1 month ago
Same. This place is great, even with the tankies from lemmy.ml and the fascists from hexbear, at least we somehow still get along.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Not all of us are tankies fwiw, I just wanted to be on the largest and most well-supported instance with generally the least amount of downtime.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 month ago
And all the Zionists from Lemmy.World…
Oh wait you can’t call those out. Only insulting other instances!
The_Lemmington_Post@discuss.online 1 month ago
Lemmy was better before the Reddit exodus last year, when people started insulting others by calling them tankies and fascists. Before that, it was much more peaceful.
S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Having those arround adds some flavour to my feed. I’m like “ooh so that’s what they are up to” I wish that smaller communities thrive but well.
P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 1 month ago
I honestly believe that Lemmy is cool, but it either needs more content or I need to perform a magic trick to make my feed “better”. At least it’s not that addicting, and the “small community, small town” vibes gives charm to it.
I’ve been here since August 2024 or so.
troyunrau@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I agree, so I’ve been posting photos and things. What we don’t need is a bunch of autoposting bots.
If you want to find the busy threads though, sort of Active and All. And just see what is going on across the lemmyverse
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
On Reddit, everyone is trying to get a million votes and just brutally murder with words everyone. It either gets really hostile, or just lots of bots posting bot shit.
On Lemmy: Even the posters I disagree with, I have a lot of fun with them. We say stupid shit all the time and accept the upvotes/downvotes with our shitposts.
T156@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Lemmy is nice, but the content on it is quite niche. If you want something less tech-oriented, you’re generally out of luck, for example.
Tricky@lemmy.world 1 month ago
since August 2024 or so
So, two months? Lol
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 month ago
It’s a lot better than August 2023!
SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 month ago
I need to perform a magic trick to make my feed “better”. At least it’s not that addicting
Lemmy’s feed is intentionally (or I think it is intentional at least) worse in this aspect than Reddit’s feed, in order to not be as addictive. Take that how you will.
Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 month ago
This place feels like old reddit. When we could have actual discussions and not just be downvoted by bots. It’s so much better here
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
And you can still tailor it to yourself. Instances have different mindsets to different topics and things they allow or don’t and there’s tons of people to agree with or disagree with but everyone is cordial.
I just don’t have a reason to go back
GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
It’s so much better. Personally I don’t hope it grows much either. Satisfies my content itch, have still had some good quality convos here, seen some great comments threads. Absolutely none of the bullshit that Reddit purposely encourages. Plus most of the zeebs and the chronically offended seemed to have stayed with reddit, and I’m super OK with that.
Monomate@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I’d argue Lemmy is turning into its own echo chamber. I’ve seen some mods power tripping just like good old Reddit. I erroneously thought people would learn from past mistakes, but sadly this is not what happened.
helloworld55@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I agree with everything you said, but I gotta ask: What is a zeeb?
MintyFresh@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The lack of commercialization being shoved down and up your orifices is really nice.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
We all do
Boozilla@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The only way to win the reddit game is to not play.
dhork@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How about a nice game of Chess?
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Launches entire US nuclear arsenal against Russia
snekerpimp@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Very good Joshua
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I just lost The Game
P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 1 month ago
LOL!
TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Damn, I hadn’t lost since June
Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
You know what’s not impossible? Leaving that shit hole and never coming back.
TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 1 month ago
It’s possible but reddit isn’t the only one looking for engagement, so are individual users. If a site has more users, it has more engagement and content. It is also not impossible to drop the lemmy name when you do go back there to make people aware of the alternative.
Yoink@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Someone dropped the name lemmy over there, so now I’m here checking it out. Screw reddit, man.
doingthestuff@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My thought exactly. They can always do like me and nope the fuck out of there.
dafo@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I left and joined Lemmy. After a couple of months of being flooded by politics in /c/memes, actually it’s everywhere and very little new content I started going back. Now I doomscroll both. I usually head to reddit after a couple of posts which portray me as a fascist because I’m not a Marxist.
redditrassholes9344@discuss.online 1 month ago
That’s not a good method though on it’s own, there needs to be effort to undermine them. And since they don’t want to do peaceful protests, the only option left are the more violent and less legal ones. The ones that compromise their platform and its data.
Tja@programming.dev 1 month ago
And moving to a different, more decentralized shithole?
Lemmy has the same power tripping admins and mods, just more of them and each with a new and unique bias. You don’t hate AI? Ban. You acknowledge certain genocide? Ban. You made fun of my typo? Ban.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Unlike the reddit, you can always make your own completed instance and host your own complete communities and nobody will ever ban you.
Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Wrong instance I guess. Yeah, Lemmy.ml, Lemmygrad and hexbear are toxic as hell, but there are really nice instances out there. I chose dbzer0 and it’s great here. We also have many interesting threads about locally hosted FOSS AI. db0 himself is quite involved in this topic, he’s the initial author of things like AI Horde. Basically everyone on db0 I’ve seen acknowledges the active genocide that’s being conducted by the Israeli fascists government. Other topics on the instance are anarchism and of course piracy.
Asetru@feddit.org 1 month ago
You did not make fun of my typo? Believe it or not, also ban.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world 1 month ago
True but how do you get the message out when they control the media?
zoostation@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s sad how many docile idiots remained on Reddit and Twitter after last year.
teft@lemmy.world 1 month ago
People still use AOL internet. I expect Reddit and twitter to die sometime in the 2050s.
johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There are a lot of subreddits for which there is no real replacement. Sometimes the strength in a community is the people. Doesn’t matter if reddit sucks if the people are there.
P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 1 month ago
I believe you missed the point. There’s people there because they know that their content won’t be found elsewhere.
linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t know, I feel during that exodus we got the best of the best. I miss some of the niche communities, But there’s so many fewer assholes over here.
reddig33@lemmy.world 1 month ago
A lot of it is just propaganda bots at this point.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Those still on are a bunch of bootlickers IMO
merc@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
It’s amazing to me that so many people are willing to work as unpaid moderators so that Reddit’s investors can make more money.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
There was this one post for a call for mods about “doing a social good for the community”.
Like bro, this is a video game subreddit. And you’re doing it for free, to help another dude get really rich.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Ideally, it would be because they care for the community they moderate, which I believe is the reason most mods do it.
Then you have creatures like awkwardtheturtle, who knows what motivates them.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 month ago
If all mods quit that’d be perfect. Reddit has shown they’ll replace mods when they actually need to (or want to). But if no regular users wanted to pick it up then they’d have to pay admins to moderate. I don’t think we’ll see it though. There’s always going to be someone who wants it enough who has enough time for whatever reason.
IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 1 month ago
The best protest is to stop moderating. Lie flat. Let the subreddit go to shit.
rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
A friend and I were recently discussing how spineless modern boycotts are.
We set a goddamn deadline for when the Reddit boycott ended. No wonder Spez just waited. Most people then just continued using the website. What a disgrace.
Imagine if after one week of the genocide in Gaza, the BDS efforts just stopped. A boycott must be indefinite. It should go on until demands are met.
affiliate@lemmy.world 1 month ago
so many leaders are forgetting what the point of protests is. yes, protests are annoying if you’re a leader. but they’re better than the alternative. that’s the whole point.
exanime@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Stop using Reddit, problem solved
Boozilla@lemmy.world 1 month ago
More hilarity: as of about a week ago, it appears the reddit algorithm has also started boosting posts with negative karma on their horrible mobile app. Guessing it’s a move towards ‘negative engagement’.
Corgana@startrek.website 1 month ago
(Copied from the thread on /c/Quark’s)
I quit as the top mod of /r/StarTrek in 2021 in protest against Reddit’s platforming of vaccine disinformation subreddits. Then in 2023 during the API protest, myself and several of the remaining mods (including mods from /r/Risa and /r/DaystromInstitute) started StarTrek.website.
The consensus I’ve seen on Lemmy has been largely “we don’t need to spread the word about our open platforms because Reddit will do something stupid again and there will be another protest and Lemmy will be promoted there”. So I hope we can take this as a lesson that we can’t rely on platforms being shitty in order to switch society over to open standards. We need to Lemmy/Mbin/Piefed good as well as known.
archomrade@midwest.social 1 month ago
It just occurred to me that convincing someone of leaving a social media site is a lot like convincing someone to leave a big city.
They have friends there and have grown accustomed to the vibrant and diverse activities, but realistically nothing they do or have there can’t be replicated in a smaller town, a smaller media site.
They’re liable to put up with a lot of shit to stay with their community, but eventually people get pushed out and find greener pastures and a quiet space for themselves elsewhere. At least, that’s what I attribute to what I perceive to be a higher average age on the fediverse.
I’m too old to find the constant stimulation and activity attractive anymore, and I much prefer the freedom to move around and be choosy about my media choices.
wrekone@lemmyf.uk 1 month ago
…we cannot allow actions that deliberately cause harm
Seems like that’s about the only actions Reddit execs have taken over the last several years. Glad I left when I did.
chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Is that the site we all left cuz it’s a turd? Yeah? Don’t care. It’s called principle.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 month ago
Go_JasonWaterfalls on the platform, writes in a post on r/modnews. “We have a responsibility to protect Reddit and ensure its long-term health, and we cannot allow actions that deliberately cause harm.”
You mean like killing all third-party apps and selling user-data to AI companies? That kind of harm? Oh no, you meant “harm” to your personal finance.
Angrywaffle2@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m not surprised. I’m on this site because I’m sick of being banned on reddit for thinking wrong.
Turious@leaf.dance 1 month ago
I’m out of the loop on Reddit, but I was beyond a power user on there two years ago. Back then, if every human user on the site stopped using the site, the admins would not have noticed any difference because nearly every post was bot networks reposting old top posts and filling the comments with the exact comments from the last time it got upvoted.
Garbage website. I miss it for what it was capable of for a while there.
GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 1 month ago
But the protests made it clear that letting moderators make their communities private at their discretion “could be used to harm Reddit at scale” and that work on this feature was “accelerated” because of the protests.
Because Reddit admins deserved that harm. We’ve handed them all this free data and resource and they decided it was theirs.
BMTea@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Reddit is one of the most infiltrated and astroturfed site. I have absolutely no confidence that the leadership are interested in addressing that. When there were suspicions it was anti-US actors, they had to take action because the government would get involved. But we all know that such pressure doesn’t exist for other astroturfing actors, state and private.
AprilShowers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
There are many valid reasons outside of a sitewide protest for a subreddit to go from public to private, so Reddit doing this is a scummy move on more than just one level. Just one more reason why free alternatives like lemmy are superior.
LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 1 month ago
fuck u/spez
regeya@lemmy.world 1 month ago
At this point I’m more or less done with Reddit. My latest ban was because I posted a screenshot of an ad with a wacky old person comment. I carefully smudged out the person’s name and profile pic…and got a three-day site-wide ban for sharing personal information. I protested, they said, nope, you shared personal information. All I can figure is they decided the advertiser’s name is personal info, which would make it even more bizarre because I’d say about half the posts have group or advertiser names unedited.
People they let mod, can end up getting this really bizarre God complex not dissimilar to what you see in university settings, their word goes, questioning their word is a sin and they’ll just double down.
alphapuggle@programming.dev 1 month ago
“While we are making this change to ensure users’ expectations regarding a community’s access do not suddenly change, protest is allowed on Reddit,” writes Nestler. “We want to hear from you when you think Reddit is making decisions that are not in your communities’ best interests. But if a protest crosses the line into harming redditors and Reddit, we’ll step in.”
Yall have very clearly demonstrated that you do not care about the communities best interest, and you have no interest in hearing what we think. Fuck Spez and good riddance to reddit
berno@lemmy.world 1 month ago
FUCK SPEZ
lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 month ago
May I be blunt? I don’t think that anyone still moderating Reddit has a shred of dignity, decency, or concern about their userbase. As such this shit will pass and nobody there will care.
normalexit@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The other option is for all the mods to quit. AI can probably do a lot of basic tasks, but without mods they wouldn’t have a site pretty quickly.
umbraroze@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Moderators will now have to submit a request if they want to switch their subreddit from public to private.
But do they have to submit a request if they tell the audience “fuck it, this is now a sub about X, we’ll remove everything that’s not about X”?
…In fact, fuck any particular topic - if the mods approve of it, every subreddit can actually be about whatever people think it should be about, now that we think about it. If the mods don’t do it, will the admins do it? The answer is: Highly unlikely
pdxfed@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Here’s the VP of Reddit’s community cited in the article, Laura Nestler, preaching super engagement from a platforms most fanatical users to power content for the 90%.
She suggests, intrinsic motivators such as “autonomy”.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=vWUMW6Ovf6o
She was at Yelp prior, which if you want to look at a steaming pile of a wasted company, man give reddit 5-10 years.
redditrassholes9344@discuss.online 1 month ago
This is not a smart choice, they do know that the alternative to peaceful protests like this is violent protest right? They want to challenge that or do they think it won’t be done because it’s “illegal”, that didn’t stop these guys now did it?
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
There’s still one protest possible.
LEAVE REDDIT!!! GET THE FUCK OFF OF IT! LET IT DIE. MAKE IT DIE!
Same with twitter.
Boozilla@lemmy.world 1 month ago
And all things Meta.
puppy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Twitter and Reddit went so much to shit and lowered the bar so much that Meta actually became almost not bad in my eyes, almost.
tonytins@pawb.social 1 month ago
Meta is a little hard because they acquired a lot of existing social networks in their prime and have kept things subtle. Think about how long it took EA to finally strip Maxis of everything but The Sims. The only way you would know something is owned by Meta is from the splash screen.
funkyfarmington@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The problem is that FB is the “core forum” for tons of niche hobbies. Irts the only reason I still have a account. They successfully killed off the old php forums.
pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Meta probably is the hardest one given that in many influencal countries WhatsApp is the app everyone uses for communication
nutsack@lemmy.world 1 month ago
at least they are developing affordable vr
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Yep, agreed. The biggest problem there is that Meta is generally not making life worse for its users than they’re used to. Facebook and Instagram are giving you almost the same shitty experience you got a decade ago.
_bcron@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Using Reddit as a platform to protest Reddit is even more idiotic than staging a sit in at Disneyworld to protest against Disney.
“Hey we’re getting revenue and media is gonna give us a bajillion clickthroughs, please, if you can still protest in any capacity on our site please do”
jaybone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Like what the hell are they even protesting about now? What is left to protest about? And why? Just go.
Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I left Reddit 6 months ago when I was permabanned for asking a question about what is forbidden. They can kiss my ass. And I hope they go broke.
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 1 month ago
Aw man. I left Reddit on my own terms as soon as the writing was on the wall re: 3rd party apps.
To have access ripped away without notice must have bred some deep hatred for the platform.
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I genuinely tried to leave but lots of communities didn’t leave Reddit and therefore had to stick to Reddit. I did with RRSS-feed and avoided their app.
Recently figured out we can Sideload Apollo app with almost all functions available. So did that.
Thankfully never used twitter! I read valuation dropped from 44B to 9,4B recently.
Aarrodri@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You can create the community and begin the migration
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 month ago
If you’re still posting on Reddit or Twitter, and it’s not for a niche community, please don’t come here.
GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
No, because then they’ll all flood here. Then I’ll have to consult with 9,006 different rules between each sub, while subsequently making sure I’m bending to each power-mods weird and unwritten agenda.
No I’m good with reddit. I encourage reddit. And I encourage all the weirdos to use reddit!
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Nope.
If you encourage it, it will continue to fester and rot, and the entire internet will lower their expectations.
We need to destroy these companies. We need to smash them to pieces, and hey guess what - it’s going to hurt a bit! We need to be prepared to stand up against evil, corrupt, racist, bigoted robber barons. We need to make some sacrifices to fix the internet.
Burn the fuckers to the ground, and let spez rot in a hole.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The hold outs for these sites are so fucking dumb. They act like social media is somehow an important part of their existence when just 10, 20 years ago it was an emerging technology. These early iterations of social media are toxic as fuck. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. They don’t deserve your patronage and are taking your goodwill and turning it into social disorder.
10-20 years and you people can’t give it up for something better. There is no argument. You don’t owe them loyalty. They aren’t innovating. They have contributed to the rise of authoritarianism.
Yeesh.