Submitted 3 months ago by Buttflapper@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
I am a reddit refugee. Keep seeing that this is supposed to be somehow better than Reddit. As far as I can tell, it follows a similar format, less restrictive on posts being removed I suppose. But It looks like people still get down vote brigaded on some communities. So I’m curious, how it’s better?
spez has no power here.
For me it’s not that it’s “better” it’s just not the cesspit that Reddit has become. It’s certainly better for avoiding mindless negativity.
Unfortunately, I haven’t observed that. There seem to be many people on Lemmy who go out of their way to be antagonistic to other Lemmy users. Which includes downvote brigading, as the OP said.
Sadly I have to agree. While the nice people on Lemmy are much nicer, there are some really extreme views here that are heavily detached from reality.
I’ve probably had more heavy downvotes or arguments on Lemmy in 9 months than I had on Reddit in over 15 years. The highlight recently was me discussing how expert systems are used in LLM’s, given that I’m a software engineer that works in AI at a big tech company for a living. Nope, I’m wrong, LLM’s aren’t real AI, downvotes… Pair this with me questioning customer data access rules in big tech, which resulted in someone arguing my view on something I literally helped build and telling me to “open source it to prove it”.
Right? Way too often, I see some really interesting comments sitting at 0 or -1, and some still somewhat interesting and/ or arguably good-faith comments have something like -50 because they go against the current direction of the herd. I usually upvote at least the former, but for the latter, it’s not going to matter much, unfortunately.
Furthermore, some mods get way too personally invested and take an obvious disliking to you so everything you contribute will be pushed to the bottom of the stack anyways.
Honestly? Muuuuuuuuuuuch nicer Posts. I see so many more wholesome Posts here. FFS, even the GreenText’s are more wholesome.
NO SPEZ. That’s enough
The “fuck /u/spez” wave is one of my last, and favorite, Reddit memories haha
It depends on your values. In terms of front page content it’s pretty similar, except with more Linux. The niche communities are kind of lacking, but then you get to have entire hobbyist run niche servers like the one I’m on.
IMO that’s where lemmy really shines: as a truly community owned collection of boards.
I was practically forced to move to other platforms, including Lemmy, because Reddit’s way of dealing with things is absolute garbage. Their app is garbage, their ethics are garbage, their admins and moderators are garbage.
In short I got permabanned on the entirety of Reddit after confronting a moderator in my favorite sub violating their own (and Reddit’s) rules and content policy. Which eventually led being banned on the sub by said moderator, and later Reddit got triggered as I was “avoiding a ban” with an alternative account (which happened accidentally).
Since then it’s been impossible to get in contact with admins, and they’ve been autobanning any new accouns I tried to set up. I’ve been trying to appeal my bans dozens of times in the past year, but never get an actual response from an actual admin, I doubt they even have humans working at Reddit at this point.
Previously I got permabanned on dozens of subs for commenting in a sub that was supposedly brigading, I didn’t even have any harmful intention or said anything worthwhile of a ban, yet all those completely unrelated subs banned me for “participating” in the brigade thing.
It just shows what absolute trash moderators and admins of Reddit are. They’re all only playing their own little agendas.
You own your data, you can self-host your Lemmy instance and still be connect with other Lemmy instances (Like what I do)
Also you can share whatever you want, no one tells you “If you say that again I’ll ban you from the entire network”. And of course, there are no ads or algorithms showing you what their owners want you to see. It’s freedom.
You own your data
This isn’t true unless you host your day own instance. Your data is owned by your instance admin in the same way Reddit owns their user data.
But the good thing is that on the fediverse, you can choose your own admin by choosing an instance, so you still have far more choice :)
You own your data, you can self-host your own Lemmy instance and still connect to other Lemmy instances (Like what I do)
Can ya point to a series of instructions that show one how to do that? I mean, I’ll search on my own as well, but since you seem well versed, I thought you may have some unique insight on a really good set of instructions.
There are not quite as many trolls yet and at least some mods are rational.
The admins are about the same degree of terrible though, but without the fascist coddling.
The mods and admins aren’t usually far-right radical preppers, that creates a more pleasant environment.
Welcome to Lemmy! Enjoy your stay.
The functions are more or less supposed to be like how Reddit used to be (a link, comment, information and sometimes image aggregator). Here are some differences, though:
It’s not owned by a conglomerate that has the misaligned goal of harvesting your data for profit. The fediverse’s goals far closer match the goals of the average poster.
But don’t think this solves the human condition. As a whole we are attention seeking, validation needing, ass holes every single one. I wouldn’t expect much difference in the posters or the mods.
If you only look on the surface- it really isn’t. Hive-mind mentality, power tripping moods….
It’s essentially the same thing but with a far-left theme.
Now… under the hood? Entirely different.
Far left? Where? I just don’t see it.
Having fewer nazis and more “enlightened” centrists is considered far left nowadays
Life on Lemmy (and reddit/social media in general) becomes a lot better when you turn off vote displays
I agree that votes don’t matter at all. Now please, except my humbly casted vote for you in the upward direction :D But no, I think psychologically speaking, votes actually do kind of matter because of mob mentality. If the first thing you see is something overwhelmingly negative, you’re more likely to think negatively. This was tested and seems to be the case, if people see a bunch of negative comments on something, they are more like to join in on the mob and downvote or be negative
Yep, and they don’t matter so who gives a shit.
They affect visibility so they still matter to an extend
25% of reddit comments are chatgpt trash if not worse. It used to be an excellent Open Source Intelligence tool but now it’s just a bunch of fake supportive and/or politically biased bots
I will miss reddits extremely niche communities, but I believe Lemmy has reached the inflection point to eventually reach the same level of niche communities
Less chat bots on Lemmy, and they seem to be easily identifiable and ignored/reported.
Lemmy isn’t quite at that sweet spot where there are enough daily users to get niche content and information from a group of knowledgeable people - but some communities seem to be quite active and helpful already.
I’d love to get to the point where we have a big science/history community and get some non-celebrity AMA’s that have genuine interaction.
I’m more than happy for Lemmy to stay “underground” for a good while, slowly building communities. Once things hit a critical mass and wind up on corporate radar, lemmy will get swarmed and another migration will happen with the same core groups that joined lemmy early.
I’m not a celebrity. AMA!
I wouldn’t say “better”, because then people will assume, as you have, that it solves all of the problems with Reddit. Lemmy solves certain specific problems that are evident on Reddit. Namely the centralized ownership of the platform and the enshittification that can result from that.
It doesn’t solve the problem of certain bad-faith user behaviours like downvote brigading, trolling, etc. If anything, those problems are a bit worse in the fediverse since ban evasion is really easy. We recently had a problem with a troll who spent two months posting incel stuff to a variety of different communities, and when he got banned from one instance he would just create a new account with a different instance. He went through like 15 accounts, though he does appear to have finally given up as of a week ago.
He went through like 15 accounts, though he does appear to have finally given up as of a week ago.
Let’s hope
I’m pretty sure I know who you’re talking about, and I regret to inform you he (or his ideological twin) made another alt a couple of days ago. I dunno if he’s been banned on the instance yet or not, he was banned from blahaj more or less immediately.
You can’t really get kicked off.
Typical comment quality is off the chain. Leddit has been going downhill for years in this area.
It’s not commercial. Your data isn’t being harvested to advertise to you.
LEMMY HAS THE CRUMBGRABBER. THAT IS WHY REDDIT HAS NO CHANCE.
No spez?
The main point is that nobody owns the whole, so nobody can fuck up with the whole like spez did in Reddit.
Past that, it’s mostly community tendencies and software differences, not “hard” differences:
Additionally people often say that echo chambers here are stronger, but I might not be the best person to ponder about this (as I’m left-wing in both social and economical matters, so… if there’s an echo chamber I’m part of it).
It’s not what it does — it’s how it does it.
Lemmy is a form of social media that truly belongs to its users, including you, not a soulless commercial entity. You want to change the code? You can do that. Run your own instance? Host your own community? Make your own moderation rules? There are instances at all corners of the political compass each with the freedom to use Lemmy how they so desire.
Lemmy is yours, to use however you see fit, and with the mutual consent of other server operators and their users.
The votes don’t matter. Reddit trains you to be addicted to the endorphins from updoots. The more you use Lemmy, you find that no one cares about karma, half the people sort by “new” anyway, and even if you wanted to know your karma, you’d probably have to figure it out with pencil and paper yourself.
It’s easier to start new communities, there is a mod log that shows everything the mods do, and if something is off, you can generally just send a message to the server admin(s) and they will reply. You know, like normal human beings.
There are fewer people, which means less content, but also more of a community feeling. It’s like how reddit used to be in the good ol’ days.
Check out the different clients available at LemmyApps.com or the lemmy.world/post/13129663.
it’s not. still have power hungry mods that ban and block your messages on the slightest disagreement. it’s still a cesspool, but mostly because of the public.
When one instance enshittifies itself you can just block it.
Also, no greedy little pigboy Spez.
It’s not controlled by one single entity. Everyone can spin up their own instance and host their communities, and you can block instances that deserve it. And the software is completely open source and stuff, and it obviously works with all kinds of third-party clients and doesn’t try to monetize the API. And we don’t have spez, so that’s of course another benefit. And no ads! I could go on and on…
Third party apps
For me its multiple reasons.
I really like the aspect and feeling of a small bonded community. There are a lot of people that are fairly active on Lemmy and you see them quite often.
The next thing is, that I personally had the experience, that people on Lemmy are much kinder than on Reddit. There are so many kind people on Lemmy and I had a lot of useful conversations that aren’t like two monkeys throwing poop at each other.
What’s also a really good thing is, is the fact of redundancy and federation. The fact that there are multiple instances, each with a unique style and feeling, is good so that everyone can find an instance that suits their needs(or they can host their own one if they want to). There are also sometimes multiple communities for the same topic on difference instances. I as example have blocked lemmy.ml due to their modding behaviour and I don’t want to support this. This also means, that I won’t engage in their Linux and askLemmy community’s, but this isn’t to bad, since both have duplicates on other instances.
mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 3 months ago
No company owns every single Lemmy instance. That’s the only guarantee you are getting; however, that’s where all of the tiny differences come from.