Submitted 6 months ago by ekZepp@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.wired.com/story/stack-overflow-users-openai-revolt/?
Members of the software developer community have reported deleting or altering their posts to prevent them from being used by OpenAI.
I feel so bad for the long term contributors :/
The only good thing I could think off, is that someone is going to create a defederated stackoverflow alternative?
Or something similar, to bring back real human interaction…
If this wasn’t enough, This will probably raise war against corporated AI.
It won’t. Some people will scream bloody murder, most people will ignore it.
SO was in decline anyway. Most answers you’ll find are several years old and outdated, because some idiot thought the new ones are duplicates.
So now a few people will leave, the spamming idiots will keep spamming the platform with low effort nonsensical answers and its relevance will dwindle just a bit faster.
Look at Reddit. Last year there was a huge outrage and today it’s pretty much the same as before.
Most people don’t care. Most people feel so powerless, that they’ll accept every privacy scandal, every exploitive business strategy, every sellout of their platform.
Is Reddit pretty much the same? From my limited perspective, a lot of the genuine contributors left, quietly or otherwise. I’ve found it much more difficult to have an interesting discussion on there since the API debacle. Most of Reddit was already lurkers and bots, so all it took was a significant proportion of the tiny minority of quality contributors to take their time elsewhere for reddit to become a complete dumpster fire.
This is something I have tried to convey since I came here when people are fantasising about the death of Reddit, I just couldn’t put it as eloquent as yourself.
I take the approach that me not using Reddit, or Amazon or whatever else is a choice I make so I can live with myself, and not that I believe it will have an impact.
I have alluded to this in previous comments in the past, that many of the choices I make actually negatively impact me more than the company I’m avoiding. Example: Not using WhatsApp means I can’t join group chats with friends as they won’t use signal as the things I care about, are meaningless to them. Or that I can’t find some items to buy except from on Amazon so I just won’t buy them etc.
All we can do is stick to our own morals and let others do as they will as it’s futile to make people care about the things we think they should.
SO was in decline anyway. Most answers you’ll find are several years old and outdated, because some idiot thought the new ones are duplicates.
There’s been a new thing (for the past two years anyways) where some power tripping user would edit the highest rated answer, causing new users to fail to get recognition.
So a new user answers a old question with the latest way to do something based on new language specs… And they’d get 1-2 votes.
Why even contribute then?
The only good thing I could think off, is that someone is going to create a defederated stackoverflow alternative?
I’ve read of someone making an alternative to stackexchange federated. Let me lookup for it and add a link here.
Interesting.
Someone there mentioned Codidact, which is available today.
Do you mean federated? And what would federation solve?
The only way you’re separating humans from LLM will be by asking for government ID but that would eliminate anonymity. And even so people could sneak in LLMs under their credentials.
is that someone is going to create a defederated stackoverflow alternative?
God I would love that. But as simple as the UI is, it would be some real work.
What do you think the hardest challenge would be?
I’m a software developer but I don’t know too much about working with de-federated services, but I would be interested in working on a Stack for us, if it was feasible and maybe we got a few more devs on board.
That actually sounds like a good idea. Like Lemmy you have communities of common or popular languages like java or python which you can join and everyone there assists with questions. As it grows you might see a node for spring or flask get created for more niche discussions.
Maybe someone should create Lemmy. Oh wait…
Why need another federated protocol, Lemmy should be more than plenty
why would they want to move to a defederated SO, it’s going to be public anyways too.
And they smell bad too!
What?
It’s an old, bad, joke on the two definitions of revolting.
He’s punning on the multiple meanings of “revolting”.
Stack Overflow Users Are Revolting Against an OpenAI Deal
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/revolting
Adjective
revolting (comparative more revolting, superlative most revolting)
repulsive, disgusting
The most revolting smell was coming from the drains.
Looks like downvoters don’t get the joke. I first seen it on the cover of Horrible History.
Smelly neeerds
Stack overflow still have users? These days it rarely shows up on my search results and when it does the answers are always outdated by several years.
Interesting, I still see it pretty consistently in the first few results in my experience and usually with a pretty recent one too
What options are there to use instead? I think they’re still often having the best results, and are usually near the top.
I guess I’ve moved to the part of my career where Stack Overflow isn’t that helpful, but I’ve found a lot of utility in searching issues on GitHub and Reddit posts.
But are they losing the first positions because they’re losing relevance, or is it due to other sites abusing seo and search engines abusing from advertising results?
I’d say the former.
Many queries don’t find relevant questions, and the relevant questions are often not answered properly. I often find the exact same problem I’m having, but the answers are just a bunch of those CV padders that post completely irrelevant answers based on a buzzword they saw while skimming the question.
And so the enshitification continues…
I bet its related to the continuous need to liquidate resources to support the proxy war effort. You can’t print money withour offering some value.
It’s time for a federated version. How about “Out of Memory”? It would fit because, I always return to the same topics on StackOverflow.
HaltAndCatchFire
Stack Overflow, technically a neutral term. Idk though whether the name in such a context would violate any trademark laws even if it’s a non-profit platform.
Snack Overflow
Nullpointer Exception
Access Violation
Syntax Error
Page Not Found
Random Access
Time to edit all my answers :)
This title doesn't mention it, but it was reported earlier that users editing their past posts against this move get banned for it.
Need to make sure the diff is small enough. A tiny change that creates a bug or makes the answer effectively useless is even worse than sweeping changes
I’m pretty sure they keep the revision history, so there’s no point in it
Correct. They banned people and then undid the changes.
God forbid someone get a JavaScript bit use var instead of let or const.
Oh, look, it’s Reddit all over again.
(Yes, yes, different reason. Same user response, though.)
If it’s free online, you are the product
Do people still use stack overflow? I feel like their days are numbered.
time for users to shred their comments and posts
Okay but why? It’s not like it personal Data or something. I don’t get why people are mad ._.
Irc: I ain’t dead yet bitch! Discord is fucking awful for dev and search.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 6 months ago
People cheering on SOs demise don’t realize what we’re losing.
Support is moving to discord which sucks massive ass. Asking the same question over and over, hoping somone is around to help.
It sucks.
billwashere@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I never understood the move to synchronous communication for asynchronous questions. The ephemeral nature of discord is really a PITA. It’s like using IRC for a FAQ.
sunbeam60@lemmy.one 6 months ago
Discord is honestly the most awful way to create a helpful community.
It’s a great way to give the 20 most active members of the community someplace to trample on top of newbies trying to get questions answered.
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 months ago
It makes sense if the issues being discussed are time-sensitive. Sometimes people need a solution now, not to open a bug report and hope that it will get a response an unspecified amount of time later.
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 6 months ago
Not just that, it forces to create an account just to view!
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
It’s purely because of how easy it is to create and manage a community. Imagine if there were a way to make a Lemmy instance without any fees or knowledge of selfhosting, it would be an instant success.
magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 6 months ago
And search engines are unable to index the questions and answers, so good luck finding the already answered question.
billwashere@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Exactly. I really hate when people use Discord for stuff like this.
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 months ago
Pretty soon search engines won’t be able to return anything anymore. At which point we might be looking for communities where live people can help with our issue. And if that happens Discord won’t look that out of place anymore.
If you can go somewhere and have your problem solved do you really care that some schmuck later won’t be able to find the solution written somewhere and will have to go through the same process?
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 months ago
It sucks but can you blame them? It’s a natural response when people see that the old method (public posting and indexing) is being corrupted and grows increasingly irrelevant.
We’re going to see more and more knowledge becoming insular and/or gated behind manual curation.
This doesn’t necessarily have to mean Discord, can be private forums of any kind but private nonetheless.
cyrus@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
For picking discord I very much can blame them, I figure it won’t be long until that goes down the drain too.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Not to mention the people answering the questions are liable to just start accusing you of being an idiot if you make any less progress with their solution than “it’s been fixed so hard that it gained five new functions I didn’t even write into it!”
kromem@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Once upon a time, they stepped forth from the forests of IRC, but back into those dark woods they then one day marched.
Meltrax@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I give it a few months before the Community tier servers’ data is dumped and sold to an AI model company.
bbuez@lemmy.world 6 months ago
So four months til GPT starts calling everyone “kitten”
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Discord is straight up unwelcome on corporate networks.
Gestrid@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I just got a ping the other day from a Discord server that said they’d finished moving their support onto a forum on their website specifically because Discord’s forum feature is terrible.
mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
The period when dejanews just started to index newsgroups was a golden age for finding answers on the internet, IMO, and there’s a strong similarity to the fediverse. All we need is for it to be searchable… OK, I see your point now.
eldavi@lemmy.world 6 months ago
do you know where?
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I support the take over. People thinking that they can pick and choose who makes money and how are fooling themselves. The developer who wants all his IP protected so he can make money is upset that a larger entity is also making money is honestly tough fucking shit. Either go back to the origins of the internet napster days or shut the fuck up and live with what we created. There isn’t any middle ground. Its only going to get worse unless you make this place hostile to people building walls and stealing all the data for themselves.