an actual ad for joining the navy.
Can you be a non-religious chaplain? That feels like discrimination if there’s a religious requirement.
recruiting theocracy
Submitted 6 months ago by Bennettiquette@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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paddirn@lemmy.world 6 months ago
kittyjynx@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I saw a Navy chaplain when I was going through some tough times in the Marines. I told him right off the bat that I was an atheist and he didn’t push any religious shit on me. He just talked to me and worked with my command to get me seen by a trained therapist. Other Marines I knew had similar experiences. Chaplains are officers outside the normal command structure and are trained to provide services to everyone regardless of their faith or lack there of. Also a lot of military members are at least nominally religious so it makes sense to have someone to coordinate religious activity, especially overseas where there aren’t local religious institutions.
teft@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And every chaplain i met in the army was a jackass trying to recruit for their religion.
ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I think there’s a requirement to render counseling services to all denominations, including atheists/agnostics, because the chaplain corps is pretty much the closest the Navy gets to mental health care while deployed. Not the greatest system, in all honesty.
yeather@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Part of the roles of a Navy Chaplain are to provide spiritual and religious services. This is inherently a religious role, it should not be expected that an atheist or “non-theist” will perform these roles correctly.
Melkath@kbin.social 6 months ago
Chaplain: a member of the clergy attached to a private chapel, institution, ship, branch of the armed forces, etc.
By definition, a Chaplain is a religious insurgent.
Insurgent: a rebel or revolutionary.
So, an Insurgent Chaplain: An individual who is a Champlain in a country founded on the concept of separation of Church and State, but insists on being a paid state official to enforce their religion on members of the state.
Maeve@kbin.social 6 months ago
So what exactly do you think UU Ministers and ToS clergy do?
Lemming6969@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oh look a religious test for a government position… What the fuck.
Maeve@kbin.social 6 months ago
Wow. I was thinking of Buddhist and Taoist chaplains, Or UU. personal gods may or not be held, but they don't usually push them on people, although the former two can and do have abuse allegations brought, some substantiated. Idk about UU.
KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Nevermind that this role is basically a deployable mental health professional and the only MHP that many of these unfortunate souls have access to.
I swear, this all or nothingness is just rotting to see. Maybe we do need to nuke ourselves.
radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m autistic. On commonality among many autists is aggravation at witnessing unfairness. Furthermore, I can’t stand it when things are don’t finalize (e.g. a puzzle with no discernable solution or a film with an unresolved plot line in a TV series.)
Having to bear witness to this darkest of timelines and being forced to endlessly await its culminating event, the downfall of capitalism and Western civilization (which is absolutely what deserves to happen) is driving me up the fucking wall.
Bennettiquette@lemmy.world 6 months ago
angry bro up there just looking for a fight. you gave a well thought out, value-added comment and don’t deserve to be mocked for it.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Why doesn’t the US Navy just deploy mental health professionals?
Religious doctrine is a shitty substitute for actual assessment.
KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
You are clearly unaware that chaplain are not preachers, but please continue your simplicism.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You aren’t wrong but that is sad.
Also this is leaving me curious of us weird religions could be chaplains. Like, could we wind up with a unit of marines bitching that their chaplain is a neodruid?
KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
A chaplain position has no religious requirement, and every chaplain must be accepting and work with every religion without discrimination.
Now, obviously not every person will view them as a viable spiritual leader for their specific faith, but there is only so much that is possible.
Bennettiquette@lemmy.world 6 months ago
i mean, i see nothing wrong with the “non-denominational chaplain” position itself or targeted recruitment advertising for it, aside from the underlying implication that access to mental health services for members of the armed forces is essential an afterthought.
but all that is a completely different situation than using a baptismal portrait as recruitment creative. how is that “all or nothing”?
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There’s a joke in there somewhere about a priest and a boat full of sailors
NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s pronounced seamen
dogsnest@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m sure the Chaplain and the Rear Admiral engage well.
ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
“God wants you to kill for your country” - Navy Chaplin, presumably
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“God wants you to split atoms so we can move airplanes across the ocean” - frustrated navy chaplains wondering why they took this job
sirico@feddit.uk 6 months ago
IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 6 months ago
Wololo
ADonkeyBrainedFog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Huh. I really feel like wearing red all of a sudden
ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Something, something, separation of church and state
No government money should be spent on religion. If you as a private citizen decide to donate your money towards theology enjoy — in fact, I’ll provide an account number that you can throw it into, but keep the theology out of things that I already detest my tax dollars funding.
I don’t want the war machine. I don’t want its BS themes!!
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Chaplains aren’t really religious - yes they have that association but aren’t “preachy” if that makes sense. They are there to guide and support.
To be honest actual Chaplains (and christians) could take a lesson from armed forces Chaplains.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Religion and armed forces: two of the worst professions. I know – we’ll combine 'em!
troglodytis@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No Oxford comma? I’m out
WhatIsThePointAnyway@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Hard to get people to die for the interests of the rich and powerful that they don’t benefit from without a magical afterlife. Tail as old as humanity.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
What’s dystopian about having chaplains in militaries? Because how dare someone assist someone else in their faith which involves worshipping someone other than our lord and saviour Darwin and Pope Dawkins?
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
There are humanist chaplains that work for the military too.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Good. Freedom of religion should be given to people in armies too, whether they are Christian, Muslim or Atheist. There’s nothing wrong with recruiting a minister in those religions to help out with their adherents.
DessertStorms@kbin.social 6 months ago
The crusades never actually ended..
AquaTofana@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Meh, this isn’t really dystopian imo, they provide a really good service. They will provide limited mental health/crisis counseling to you (regardless of faith/lack therof), with no written documentation. Unless you’re telling them you plan to actively hurt yourself or someone else, then they’re 100% confidential.
The military has gotten better in recent years about this, but when I was a young Airman 15 years ago, it was drilled into our heads that you DO NOT go to Mental Health for ANY reason if you wanted to stay in and keep your career. It was viewed as an instant career killer if you went back then.So Chaplains became the “go between” in a lot of instances. Because there was no record.
I used them 3 or 4 times before I finally bit the bullet and went to Mental Health back in December. 3 of the 4 Chaplains I saw were awesome and just listened to my anxieties and then talked me down as to how unlikely they were to pass. The fourth did ask me if he could pray for me at the end, and I’m sure I could have said no, but I was more like “Sure, I guess.” So he said some kind of generic prayer, handed me a pocket bible and sent me on my way. He wasn’t bad, still listened to my issue, but I could see someone who is very uncomfortable with prayer being too nervous/anxious to say “no” if they didn’t really want it.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 months ago
…Souls are real enough for the military to be concerned with them?
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 months ago
People have been dying for religion since recorded history. You think the military wouldn’t exploit that?
HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Ah yes
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Only American souls are real.
cheese_greater@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Get some sailor ass too ;)
No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Ad victoriam, Brother.
EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That fucker looks like a flesh puppet.
Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Growing up with the GOAT exam, I was always designated the Vault Chaplain. I took the GOAT the other day and got Shift Supervisor. I’m a little relieved.
cerement@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
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drolex@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
You know, I’m something of a pope myself
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Excuse me. I’m an antipope if anything. I say we bring back the warring popes period
cerement@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Pope Joan
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Hail Eris!