Windows 11 Start menu ads are now rolling out to everyone

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• grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Realistically, how many years do you think Microsoft will support Windows 10? I dread having to switch to 11 some day, at the rate they’re going.

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  • maniclucky@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is my line for biting the bullet and switching to Linux. I hope gaming gets to where I want it to be (braindead easy for anyone with ‘actually’ on their lips)

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    • ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Gaming is pretty close now thanks to the Steam Deck and Valve’s work on Proton. It depends on what games you play since some anticheat requires Windows or console but I mostly play single player games and have a console if I want to play something competitive.

      If you have a specific, competitive game you play, you might want to stick with Windows (or console) if support isn’t there. AMD GPUs are also better for Linux (because they open source their drivers) but Nvidia is getting better since a lot of machine learning customers use Linux. They have a huge financial incentive now that it’s data center customers complaining instead of random Linux users.

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    • grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m thinking the same regarding Linux, but I dunno shit about it and while I’m not totally computer illiterate, switching operating systems like that is very intimidating to me.

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  • BunnyKnuckles@startrek.website ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Windows 10 eol is Oct. 14, 2025. 18 more months.

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    • grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Omg, this isn’t long enough

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  • drathvedro@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You mean, how long they will be actively putting trackers and malware into it? I mean, win 10 is where it all started, 11 is just continuing it.

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• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Note that you can turn the ads off quickly and easily. I agree that there’s someone off-putting about an operating system with built-in ads, but a tech-savvy person will see them once and then never again. (A person who isn’t tech-savvy probably won’t care.)

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  • Fetus@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My money is on them being re-enabled after every update.

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    • herrcaptain@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah, the ol’ “Please use Edge” update screen that pops up every few months.

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    • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This setting exists on 10 and I’ve never had it re-enable itself.

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  • HidingCat@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I'll still be using Windows (no time for Linux), but really, why does the user have to do this for a pleasant experience? MS shouldn't be hostile towards their users.

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• hperrin@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lol. Another reason to be glad I don’t use Windows as my main OS.

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• Adramis@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is there a way to GPO this ‘feature’ off? Worried about some of our users getting confused.

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  • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Of course, all those things just have a toggle.

    They get paid to implement the ads, not to enforce them.

    And even if they hadn’t there would be a third party program somewhere that turns them off.

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  • ziggurat@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Possibly, but these will change on the regular

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• Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Microsoft only started testing these ads two weeks ago, so it’s surprising to see this “feature” progress from the Beta Channel to release in such a short period of time.

  Is it surprising, though? When earning more money is involved?

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• ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They aren’t even labeled as ads/paid promotion, so I wonder if this even got legal’s input. Something the FTC probably might be interested in.

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  After testing these briefly with Windows Insiders earlier this month, Microsoft has started to distribute update KB5036980 to Windows 11 users this week, which includes “recommendations” for apps from the Microsoft Store in the Start menu.

  “The Recommended section of the Start menu will show some Microsoft Store apps,” says Microsoft in the update notes of its latest public Windows 11 release.

  Microsoft only started testing these ads two weeks ago, so it’s surprising to see this “feature” progress from the Beta Channel to release in such a short period of time.

  At the time of initial testing I mentioned Microsoft “could decide to ditch these ads” if there was enough feedback that suggested they weren’t popular, but two weeks of feedback certainly isn’t long enough to determine that.

  If you’ve installed the latest KB5036980 update then head into Settings > Personalization > Start and turn off the toggle for “Show recommendations for tips, app promotions, and more.” While KB5036980 is optional right now, Microsoft will push this to all Windows 11 machines in the coming weeks.

  Microsoft’s move to enable ads in the Windows 11 Start menu follows similar promotional spots in the Windows 10 lock screen and Start menu.

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  The original article contains 303 words, the summary contains 200 words. Saved 34%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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  • Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    2 weeks is most certainly enough time to read the listen in on the thousands of thousands of people saying fuck off Microsoft, stop with the fucking ads.

    Nobody outside of those getting profit thinks this is a good idea…literally no one.

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• Nanno@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The direction Windows 11 is taking is terrible but i’ve tried on multiple occasions (even this morning!) to game and consume my content on Ubuntu or Fedora and i run into so much trouble, that ill have to stick with Windows 11. I have been using Ubuntu at work for the last 10 years though as web development is great on it.

  Issues i have:

  • Lutris not finding GoG games
  • Heroic working, but not being able to sync savegames for GoG
  • Nvidia driver getting borked after kernel update, need to switch to old kernel, uninstall, switch to new kernel, reinstall
  • Mangohud flatpak not working together with Goverlay repo version
  • Need alternative for Synology cloud sync. Maybe Syncthing or rsync with SMB
  • And i need alternatives for fps limited, undervolting and cpu undervolting. Haven’t put enough time into it yet though
  • I like the mouse acceleration on Windows and in KDE both flat and adaptive feel pretty flat. Probably can be tweaked with xinput or something, but you can’t configure the acceleration amount by default

  Maybe one day, but for now Windows is probably just the better choice for me and gaming (on a laptop). At least in Windows 11 they now allow you to not group the taskbar by default…

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  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you’re not ready to switch, most of the issues and anti consumer shit with Windows can be managed through a combination of Group Policy, Registry, various settings and configurations menus, and a wee bit of PowerShell.

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    • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I used to post comments like this on Reddit. I’m an expert in PowerShell, group policy, and Windows enterprise management in general. Point being I know how to do all that stuff. Over 99% of Windows users do not. But I completely decrapified my Win10 install and was mostly happy with it.

      When it was time to go to Win11 I realized all this effort is just Stockholm Syndrome. I shouldn’t have to protect myself from the maker of my OS. And it’s clearly getting worse so why put in the continual effort?

      Moved to Tumbleweed a month ago on my main home PC. Microsoft is just my day job again, and I feel so much relief not having to be on guard for whatever shady shit they pull next.

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• markpaskal@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I just can’t stand the lack of hibernation or hybrid suspend on laptops with Linux. Otherwise I’d much rather have a Linux distro on my nice laptop and windows in a VM if at all.

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  • raptir@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Both of those work on Linux. wiki.archlinux.org/title/…/Suspend_and_hibernate

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    • markpaskal@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Most distros ship with hibernation disabled and they have since Ubuntu 10.04 or so if my memory serves correctly.

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    • nexussapphire@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I wonder if some distros disable it for some reason.

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  • BendyLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re joking, right?

    My computer is set to 1. Warn me at 9.25 to accept or cancel suspension at 9.30. 2. Set volume to 10% and suspend at 9.30 (just in case it gets woken up, I once woke it up at 4am and had a radio application wake up the family). 3. RTC Wake set to 5.59 4. 6.25am my wakeup music plays.

    I have suspend, also hybrid - where it will suspend, and after a certain time (useful for laptops, mine’s set for 12 hours so I never hit this unless I go on holiday) it’ll hibernate.

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    • markpaskal@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I would be very surprised to hear that your distro does all that by default.

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  • kalpol@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Running Opensuse, suspend/hibernation works fine. Older hardware though

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• Squiddly@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I finally activated windows last week through the cmd… Didn’t pay a cent

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  • BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How?

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    • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      massgrave.dev

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    • Squiddly@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I won’t post a specific website but if you search it you’ll find tons of guides on how to do it.

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• ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If I could get easy to access, judgement free tech support for Linux then I’d be fine. I just don’t know how to solve my problems in Linux especially considering there are so many additional variables and often you either don’t get answers, are asking in the wrong place, or are asking in the wrong way. A lot of the time you just get scorn for not being born a Linux power user.

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  • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    honestly, i love helping people with linux, so you can just pm me either here, on discord or on matrix and ill reply as soon as i can

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    • ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My current woes relate to choosing a distro (Fedora 40 KDE) that is compatible with secure boot, for simplicity of dual booting, only to find that the DisplayLink driver that I need to run my screens is not signed. Therefore I either have to switch off Secure Boot anyway, or manually re-sign it after every kernal update with some convoluted series of terminal commands… which I will not be doing. That and there not being an equivalent of the CRU configuration tool that let’s me tweak my Freesync monitor’s ranges to stop intolerable brightness flickering. Finding that none of the useful AMD Software settings like Fluid Motion Frames or Anti-Lag are supported is also a random pain. Every attempt I go for, I generally find roadblock after roadblock until I give up because I have too limited a lifespan to spend it bouncing between forum pages tangentially related to my issue.

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• Sabin10@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m still ok with windows 10 and by the time it’s no longer supported, proton should be mature enough for me to make the jump with no regrets.

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• malloc@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I am just waiting for a malware developer or state actor to use this as a way to infect computers with 0-days.

  This is a disaster. Why anybody would decide to use Windows for any serious workloads is unfathomable to me.

  Office products are mostly cross-platform (outlook, word, excel).

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• FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I really, really wish Linux worked better on my gaming laptop. I used it for many years on desktop as my only OS (hopped many distros and ended back on mint) but on laptops I just can’t find a distro without considerable issues. Whether it be display scaling problems, performance, not being able to switch my video card mode, etc…

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  • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    nvidia card im guessing? Switching using nvidia is almost never fun. Theoretically i think proprietary drivers should maybe support this, but i’ve never tried.

    Scaling problems are usually related to having multiple monitors, so i’m confused that you were having those, unless you were using multiple monitors, then it would make sense.

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    • FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yep, Nvidia. As for the scaling issues I’m not sure either. UI elements were fine but no matter what desktop environment I used, some things (though I can only remember steam immediately) would be super tiny in full 1080p instead of scaling with the rest of the applications. Didn’t try tiling window managers because honestly I don’t enjoy them so no comment on that one.

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  • RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Linux has huge problems on my laptop, cause HP in their infinite wisdom decided to disable S3 sleep at firmware level. I still find myself dreading the thought of reinstalling windows though. I’d rather manually shut off my laptop every time I stop using it than go back to that awful proprietary OS.

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  • hperrin@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I just got a Framework laptop, and it’s really refreshing to have everything (literally everything) just work out of the box.

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  • Bulletdust@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Running a 4k 27" monitor under KDE Neon 2.0.4, fractional scaling works better than it does under Windows.

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• Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Have fun with em kids

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Linux.

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• snekerpimp@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Let me see if I can use windows without opening the start menu now

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  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The instructions to disable this are right fucking there in the article, and the sections OP copied to the description here.

    And for completeness: Settings > Personalization > Start and turn off the toggle for “Show recommendations for tips, app promotions, and more.”

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    • pixelmeow@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Very helpful, thanks. Had the update this morning and there it was. It’s off now.

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  • new_guy@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Since I’ve adopted PowerToys -> PowerToys Run and set a shortcut to open it with “Super (windows key) + Space” I don’t know what a start menu is.

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• KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  to everyone? I use linux, i didn’t know MS had that level of influence.

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• Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Finally! Seemed unfair that only a select few were getting these initially.

  Anyone remember when OS updates were actually something we looked forward to?

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• Skyline969@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Good thing Ubuntu 24.04 LTS comes out tomorrow. I’ll be doing a reinstall on my machine and sticking with it until the next LTS release in two years.

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• devilish666@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Easy peasy fix for that :
  Use AdBlock filter that run on root of OS/Host like hblock, hagezi, or 1Host

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• morriscox@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We need to hunt down whoever these ads are working on.

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• ililiililiililiilili@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do Win 10 LTSC users still get shoveled this shit? I’m asking for a friend.

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  • daltotron@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I haven’t gotten shoveled this shit for the entire course of my install, which has been since win 10 came out

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• graeghos_714@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I got my first notification on my Win10 Pro box today about support ending too

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• Akasazh@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do apps like classicshell still work?

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  • ColdWater@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I heard they disable update if you have it (if it true that’s pretty scummy probably the scummiest of the scum)

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    • NoFun4You@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Except people go out of their way to disable updates anyways lol

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• TypicalHog@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m on 10 still. (And if I wasn’t a gamer and sucker for games that don’t work on Linux - I would be on Arch)

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  • Eximius@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Proton works wonderfully these days.

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• Shape4985@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The cope iv heard from friends that this is okay behavior

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• BendyLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fundamental error - as usual with Windows news.

  These ‘Start Menu Ads’ aren’t rolling out to everyone, I have zero ‘Start Menu Ads’. In fact, I have Zero Ads in my operating system.

  Why must Windows news always assume that everyone runs Windows? Isn’t this the main bug with all operating systems?

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  • CoolGirl586@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then don’t read Windows news.

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• psuresh@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And they called Google scroogle😆

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