You sound like a rational tankie, which by the definitions that lemmies have explained to me, would make you not a tankie.
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Grayox@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
I am a tankie and voting for Biden lmao. The Prolitariat must be protected till enough class conciousness is achieved for Socialism to succeed.
glitchdx@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 days ago
“Anyone who thinks themselves a tankie is too self aware to be one” sounds like a fallacy. (What is a tankie, btw? I’ve been too scared to ask…)
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
A tankie is, broadly, someone who wants to effect left-wing ideology using authoritarian methods. It originally referred to those who defended the USSR using tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution, but it could be aptly used to describe those who defend China’s actions in Tiananmen Square. It’s rightfully used as a perjorative, since authoritarian enforcement is antithetical to leftism, particularly communism.
Tankies are hypocrites who didn’t understand their self-proclaimed ideologies. If someone’s idea of communist praxis is lining up dissenters for the firing squad, you’re dealing with a tankie.
go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 3 days ago
wants to effect left-wing ideology using authoritarian methods
Odd. I’m getting called a tankie because I just won’t vote for Biden (or Trump). Someone must have gotten confused.
ssj2marx@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Tankies are hypocrites who didn’t understand their self-proclaimed ideologies.
Tankies are very frequently the only people in the room who’ve done the reading. If you believe that so called “authoritarianism” is antithetical to leftism, then I recommend you read the following pamphlet by Engels.
Objection@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
I’m a tankie. What tankie is supposed to mean is someone who blindly supports anything anyone does so long as they claim to be communist and wave a red flag. There’s maybe a handful of edgy teens who actually fit that description, but the way it’s actually used is to punch left at anyone who supports anything a socialist country has ever done, or who is insufficiently patriotic/nationalistic and is willing to consider things from an internationalist perspective.
If you say for example that Cuba under Castro had a successful literacy program, then there are people who will accuse you of being a tankie. Because it gets used this way, some people like myself chose to reclaim the insult and wear it proudly.
Generally, the actual term for most “tankies” would be Marxist-Leninist. But I actually prefer tankie because it’s a more general, big tent label. It’s used so broadly that even anarchists can be called tankies. It’s basically like “woke” where it doesn’t actually have any real meaning.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Well I think there are probably a half dozen interpretations that people on Lemmy use. One I have heard repeated is that they view the Tiananmen Square event as something that China rightfully did… hence “Tankie”
uis@lemm.ee 3 days ago
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 3 days ago
People that are happy to run people over in tanks to force their communist version of society on everyone else.
glitchdx@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I am by no means an expert, but the test that was explained to me is that if you look at the famous tianamen square picture of the guy holding grocery bags facing down a line of tanks, and then proceed to side with the line of tanks, then you’re a tankie.
When I say that I am not an expert, what I actually mean is that I’m a random idiot from the internet, so don’t take anything I say as gospel truth.
I’ve only been on lemmy for a few months, and I’ve never heard the term tankie on any other platform. My understanding is that a tankie is a militant supporter of communism, who completely disregards (or is in support of) how every time it’s ever actually been done it turns into an authoritarian dictatorship (or something similarly unpleasant to live under).
My own biases exposed: I am an american, and most of what I know I learned in the absolutely fucked american public education system, which says communism = evil, because of the red scare a while back.
If you do some googling, there’s a wikipedia article on the subject. I’ve forgotten most of the content of that article shortly after I read it, I should look at it again and maybe it will stick this time.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Militant leftist, in the most basic sense.
But anti-leftists tend to co-opt the term to replace ‘fascist’ or ‘nazi’ in their discourse.
NegativeInf@lemmy.world 3 days ago
And I’d vote for a corpse before I vote for 34 time Convicted Felon Donald Trump. Eat the rich. Pack the courts. Seize the assets of felonious companies.
Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Mother fucker could be Dracula for all I care. Still voting for him.
Paddzr@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Dracula is cool as fuck tho.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 days ago
youtu.be/1Onr4z2fdDM - Dracula’s pretty based, ngl.
capital@lemmy.world 3 days ago
My favorite theme so yeah, def voting for that.
uis@lemm.ee 3 days ago
There is russian meme “voting for stool just to vote against UR”.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You get it! We can’t fuck over vulnerable people. We can’t abandon minorities and LGBT people. Even if we let things get worse to the point of a societal collapse, a lot of people will die because of it – and societal collapse has not historically led to better societies down the road.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 3 days ago
That’s such an important point. Anyone who thinks a win by Trump will somehow speed up the advent of socialism is just deluded.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 days ago
People think Trump will eventually make things so bad that the average man will salivate at the chance for Socialist rule…
What will actually happen if you get a nasty concoction made from a pinch of Handmaid’s Tale with a dash of Holocaust 2…
And the average man won’t care, as long as the trains run on time and they owned the libs… and if the trains don’t run on time, they probably have libs to blame.
daltotron@lemmy.world 3 days ago
trains run on time
I am here to regretfully inform you about the state of american rail infrastructure…
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 3 days ago
My trans friends are what keeps me committed to voting Biden no matter how disappointed I am in him. Things are already really scary for them right now and I can’t be complicit in making them worse, even through inaction.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Consider me another one of your trans friends. If Trump gets elected I’m probably gonna die in a concentration camp. Don’t do that to me, don’t do that to them. I’m begging you for my life.
MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world 3 days ago
As a transwoman as well, I second this!
Don’t let the fascist win!
bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
I’d suggest taking a fly overseas the day after the elections, booked prior to it. If Trump losses, you can use it to celebrate it. If he wins… well, you can ask for asylum on arrival.
Objection@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
I am trans and not voting for Biden. I refuse to sacrifice Palestinians for my own safety or the safety of my loved ones. All the stuff people say now about them being an acceptable sacrifice or there being nothing they can do about it, that’s what they’ll be saying about us tomorrow. Solidarity between marginalized groups is the only viable strategy for long term survival.
I hate being used as a rhetorical token to make people feel better about selling out another vulnerable group.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 days ago
If you actually cared you would vote biden. No one capable of it will save them. None. At least with biden someone survives.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Trans people are not a monolith. There’s other trans people in this thread begging us to vote for Biden for their safety. Your feelings about being a rhetorical token are not invalid, but recognize that other people in your vulnerable group are legitimately crying out for help.
Either way, I’m glad I’m not one of your loved ones. Your own safety is one thing. Their safety is another.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Right? Imagine it’s a fucking Saw Trap, and there’s an easy way out without sacrificing anyone… and an equally easy way out sacrificing everyone. Make the less selfish choice.
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 3 days ago
We can’t fuck over vulnerable people.
That’s what you’re doing when voting for Dems.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Yes, I see how you’re protecting me when you elect the party that would arrest me for being a “Public Danger” because of the fact that I’m trans.
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 3 days ago
If you would get off your ass and gather support for a decent party this wouldn’t be a problem.
Holyginz@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Go educate yourself, and then you can join the adult discussions.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 days ago
What vulnerable people are dems going after?
Jentu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
If you don’t know the answer to this already, I suppose the backlash against Biden from progressives might seem like bots or foreign propaganda.
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The poor is the most clear. Also black people, just look at our prisons, and the crime bill Joe Biden wrote
SeducingCamel@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Don’t forget how Biden is being harder on immigration than Trump was but don’t worry Biden is totally for minorities
Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Biden is literally arming a genocide. He was even adamant about his continued support for that. Meanwhile Dems led cities have brutally beaten up peaceful colelge protests and invited fascist MAGA mobs to attack minority students there.
The DNC and Biden do not protect minorities. They are white supremacists with just a bit more moderation to the means they employ, but they will absolutely resort to authoritarian crackdowns if they feel the minorities to step out of line by demanding justice and rights.
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 3 days ago
I can’t even imagine how awful the people who fill that vacuum would be.
null@slrpnk.net 3 days ago
Most based .ml user
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Based and practicalpilled
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Thank you for being a sane human 🙏
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The Prolitariat must be protected
By consenting to corruption and a path to WWIII. That is not protecting them, in fact it is ensuring them a terrible future. If you cared about them, you would vote, volunteer, donate, and support the PSL, CPUSA, or Green party instead.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Lmao the green party isn’t going to do jack shit. They’re completely unserious about politics. They aren’t even trying to build up an infrastructure in all 50 states that lets them get suffused into local and state politics. They aren’t even aiming for Congressional seats, which would be necessary for an actual Green president to get anything done.
They’re just anti science grifters who think wifi causes cancer, entertain vaccine skepticism, and demonize nuclear energy – the latter of which could be a major asset to stopping global warming. Newer designs are even able to consume nuclear waste, meaning an anti nuclear position results in more waste than we would otherwise.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 days ago
I actually had my local Socialist Party USA chapter kick me out, ban me from their facebook, and publicly announce that I’m a rape apologist because I wouldn’t tell people to support an openly transphobic “Vaccines Cause Autism” candidate over Joe Biden.
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Then support the PSL. I work with the Green party to improve it, because that’s how democracy works. It’s okay you don’t understand that.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’m afraid all of us don’t have that much free time. But hey, if you can get them to stop being anti science and actually become a serious party, I’ll consider them.
Just don’t expect me to accept the Green Party’s many imperfections. If you don’t accept the Democrat’s imperfections, then you should perfectly understand.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 3 days ago
None of those parties have a ghost of a chance of winning, and with as razor thin as the win margins were in 2016 and 2020, I’m not confident Biden won’t win if we don’t vote for him. I sincerely hope I do not have to explain why Trump would be worse on literally every issue (especially Gaza) than Biden is.
goldenlocks@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Then do something about it instead of complain. I am, what are you doing? You vote for corruption.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 days ago
Bro’s protest voting when the
WeimarAmerican Republic has Nazis on the ballot and thinks building “grassroots support” for the twentieth year in a row justifies it when the world is about to run out of time anywaysYou want Green candidates? Tell them to run as Democrats or make a fucking militia.
Nelots@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Nobody likes voting for the lesser of two evils, but we all have to if we want to stop an even further decline into hell. Trump as president will have immediate and direct consequences for many people, and it will be the fault of people like you that it happened. At this point, not voting for Biden is the same thing as voting for Trump. You can continue virtue signaling after we get through the immediate crisis in front of us.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 days ago
This is the way.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
On one hand I’d like it if the Democrats put upsomeone more certain to beat Trump. On the other Joe has shown he supports labor and things are moving in the right direction. I’d hate it to get a neoliberal Democrat that halts this progress.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Oh my god! A tankie who’s not fucking stupid. I never thought I’d see the day.
UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 3 days ago
THANK YOU. It’s that fkin simple.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 days ago
So simple, yet so hard for so many to understand.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Most folks are dumber than a chickens.