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saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  whales and dolphins are mammals, and they have eyes on the side. Don’t think anything preys on them (at least for the full-grown ones, pretty sure baby whales are preyed on)

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• marzhall@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Invertebrates? No. All out I invite you to meet the awesome [jumping spider(www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtlvZGmHYk), whose eyes are very especially needed set up to be forward-facing for depth perception for their jumps, and who hunt other spiders, as well as the wolf spider, who are also a hunting (as opposed to web) spider.

  In fact, you can use the chart of spider eye layouts to pretty much identify whether you’re looking at a spider who builds webs and waits or a spider who hunts:

  a drawing of different spider faces to their names

  Anyone with two big forward-facing eyes is probably looking around for their next meal.

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  • monotremata@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Also crabs. I mean, their eyes are often on stalks and more mobile than mammalian eyes, and they’re compound, so they have a very wide field of view, but they’re still often basically in front, and they do apparently provide depth cues for hunting thanks to this.

    www.jneurosci.org/content/38/31/6933

    It also occurred to me to look up about dragonflies, and it seems they mostly hunt dorsally (which is a pretty viable option if you’re flying). BUT I found this article about Damselflies, which notes that they rely on binocular overlap and line up their prey in front of them. Which is pretty cool.

    www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0960982219316641

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• sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Another non-predator mammal with front facing eyes: llamas.

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  • FeatherConstrictor@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Are llamas’ eyes not side-facing? That’s what it looks like in photos to me

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    • quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They need them to spit.

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      • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Llamas are dangerous, so if you see one where people are swimming, you shout: Look out, there are llamas!

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    • sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      pretty sure they face forwards. That’s what Minecraft ones look like, anyway, and a quick search of real ones look like they have forward-facing eyes

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      • lazyViking@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Source: Minecraft block model is a legendary reply

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      • ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        They’re sideways facing eyes, but a bit diagonal. Definitely not forward facing though. They’re just a bit bulgy.

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  • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Pandas as well. Non-predator but clearly front facing eyes.

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    • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Pandas are descendants of omnivores with a predator streak, them rat fucking their diet to near koala levels of bad doesn’t really factor in yet.

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      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨42⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Or they need it that way to learn kung-fu

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    • notsure@fedia.io ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      ...i am withholding all judgments on pandas until my full research has been completed...i heard something on the internet...

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    • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But Pandas are bears and haven’t changed much. They eat plants and their guts have not even evolved to do so yet. They are a wonder.

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    • sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is this because pandas used to be carnivorous? (they have sharp canine teeth despite pretty much only eating bamboo)

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  • imgcat@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    and humans.

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    • OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Humans are predatory animals.

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      • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        By far. We didn’t get to be #1 by fucking around, and we didn’t get to be #1 without all that dominating evolution lingering around. We’re so good at it, we’re predators to ourselves because there’s no prey left to dominate. Every other species dies farmed or as a hobby.

        But I can say, that if I were die be prey to something, I’d rather it be to a human. Everything else starts eating you before you’re even dead lol.

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• Bluewing@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  They want your sweater back…

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• illi@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I remember there used to be a goat on some island (now extinct) that didn’t have any predators so it evolved forward facing eyes

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  • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s also evidence that people tried to domesticate them, their hooves were trimmed.

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• HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Sloth

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  • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What sloths are leaf predators.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      not sloths, Sloth.

      Image

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• sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Bats also have forward facing eyes I think (correct me on this please!), but most of them aren’t carnivorous. They eat fruits and bugs and stuff.

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  • illi@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They eat fruits and bugs and stuff.

    Well, if they hunt bugs, they are predators, no?

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    • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Predators yes, carnivores no. Things that eat bugs are insectivores.

      Honestly though, almost no mammals are purely carnivorous, herbivorous, or insectivorous. The majority of species will opportunistically eat what is available.

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      • illi@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah, and yiu don’t have to be a carnivore to be a predator.

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  • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I would assume insects would be evolutionarily similar to other types or prey.

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• trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Besides humans, aren’t most apes not prey animals?

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  • Starski@lemmy.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What do you mean by prey animals? Animals that prey on others or are you calling them prey themselves? And just because an animal is a predator doesn’t mean there aren’t larger predators that will kill and eat them. Ultimately most apes are omnivores who eat fruit and berries, along with leaves and other shit, but will eat meat and have been known to prey on animals, yet it’s not their main source of food. They’re not apex predators but they aren’t actively prey.

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    • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The same holds true for a lot of animals. There aren’t many purely “vegan” animals. A horse will snack a mouse too if it gets the opportunity.

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      • exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Plus evolutionary history shows plenty of examples of animals switching from pure carnivore to pure herbivore to omnivores in between. All birds are descended from a common carnivorous ancestor, but plenty of birds today subsist mostly on seeds or fruit.

        If there is a lot of available biomass to be eaten, nature will find a way and some animal is going to fill that niche. Many of the folivores (herbivores specializing in digesting leaves) that descended from carnivores have to deal with the low nutrient/calorie density of their foods by just eating a lot of it, and have varying levels of microbial symbiosis for helping with that digestion.

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    • trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I am using the same definitions as the meme

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      • Starski@lemmy.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Ah, I guess you are but you put it in a different place in your sentence compared to the comic, which confused me at first as it can be interpreted both ways with how you wrote it. Either way, the rest of my comment should still be relevant.

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      • notsure@fedia.io ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        ...too bad for the internet, eh?..

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  • imgcat@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    including humans.

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• Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Aye-Ayes and Tarsiers have very forward facing eyes, yet eat mostly gruvs in trees.

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