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yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• BastingChemina@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I disagree, using Latin terms means that all technical terms stay the same across languages.

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  • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This doesn’t apply to most other fields though.

    In physics, only the abbreviations are (mostly) the same internationally. But the full terms are always translated into languages, despite being equally as technical.

    In math, no terms are international - only the specification of formulas is standardized.

    Music is the exception but their field belonged to elitist pricks for most of history tbf.

    Art (painting) uses translated terms everywhere from what I can tell. There are no translated terms for paints, canvas type, style, periods etc.

    History certainly doesn’t use international terms either. Medieval, stone age, bronze age, modern age etc. are all translated into each language.

    Amd frankly, I don’t see why anatomy has to use international terms whatsoever while other fields can use translated terms without any issue.

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  • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We call them the “little lips” and I don’t believe we’re losing anything there.

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• Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  To be fair, it would be easier if English had kept the English terms for anatomy.

  Feel free to have a look-see at what that could look like. Taxonomy isn’t “taxonomy” anymore, it’s “setlore.” Find that easier to understand?

  anglish.fandom.com/wiki/Lifelore (“Lifelore” is biology)

  It’s an “Anglish” wiki, based on Paul Andersson’s “Uncleftish Beholding”, a text that’s trying to see what English would look like if it didn’t have latin borrowings as much, just the teutonic words.

  Here’s some atomic theory ie “uncleftish beholding”.

  The firststuffs have their being as motes called unclefts. These are mighty small: one seedweight of waterstuff holds a tale of them like unto two followed by twenty-two naughts. Most unclefts link together to make what are called bulkbits. Thus, the waterstuff bulkbit bestands of two waterstuff unclefts, the sourstuff bulkbit of two sourstuff unclefts, and so on. (Some kinds, such as sunstuff, keep alone; others, such as iron, cling together in chills when in the fast standing; and there are yet more yokeways.) When unlike unclefts link in a bulkbit, they make bindings. Thus, water is a binding of two waterstuff unclefts with one sourstuff uncleft, while a bulkbit of one of the forestuffs making up flesh may have a thousand or more unclefts of these two firststuffs together with coalstuff and chokestuff.

  anglish.fandom.com/wiki/Uncleftish_Beholding

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• captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The fact that the entire medical industry does this. I like how ChubbyEmu on Youtube will do the vocabulary resurrection “Hyponatremia. Hypo meaning low, natra meaning sodium, emia, presence in blood. Low sodium presence in blood” and then he’ll use the English phrase for the rest of the video. “Because he had low blood sodium…”

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  • Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The entire medical industry does this so that in every language on the planet they are talking about the same thing and know that they are talking about the same thing and that there hasn’t been a translation error. Hyponatremia is hyponatremia no matter what language you speak.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Meanwhile the aviation industry uses English worldwide.

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      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And naturally not everyone wants to pick English for the common language. If we’re picking one language people use over others, you’ll have French people wanting theirs picked and so on. So easier to pick a language that’s not the native language of anyone to sidestep that fight.

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      • entwine413@lemm.ee ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Doesn’t the computer science industry as well?

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    • randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Haha not actually. In Chinese maybe when doctors talk with each other they sometimes will use the English term (by this I mean the Latin/Greek-origin one), but mostly they translate the word bits (morphemes) one by one to Chinese (低血鈉, where 低=low, 血=blood, 鈉=sodium). They never ever use the English term to patients. You won’t be able to find anyone in China or Taiwan who knows what “hyponatremia” means unless they’re in the medical industry or they’re just very good at English.

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• GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I got confused because i initially read that as Worf instead of Wolf, and i thought that it was weird trying to make a point with a Star Trek character.

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  • Codandchips@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “Mr. Worf, set course to the Vulva region on Labia Minora 4”

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• Klear@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yet annother thing that could be fixed by better education in the US.

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• jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  kept the English terms for anatomy.

  Please tell me where I can find out about the original English words for these things.

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  • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ask a cunning linguist?

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• FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ask someone what “Caniformia” is and most would probably think you’re talking about some region on the US West Coast.

  You’re obviously talking about noobs who aren’t watching TierZoo 😎

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• HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Carnifornia sounds like a great festival I gotta call up my rancher buds and get this going

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• edinbruh@feddit.it ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Anyone who’s a bit inquisitive about what words means will notice that “transform” means “changing shape”, and that the teeth that look like dog fangs are called “canines”. At that point, “caniformia” obviously means “dog-shaped”.

  Specialized terms don’t need to be easy for the layman, but to be explicative for the specialist.

  Also those Latin terms are literally international terms, a Russian biologist will say “Canis lupus” to an Icelandic biologist and they will understand. So you really have nothing to complain about. Just be glad that Linnaeus used an agnostic language for international terminology instead of using his native language (Swedish) like the anglophones do.

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  • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t have an issue with using scientific names in scientific contexts if you intend to publish something international researchers should be able to parse. But just like maths, there is no problem in just… translating names? Imagine if you had to phrase sentences like: “The numerus realis make up a copia infinita.” You’d have to translate Latin every time new studens would be taught because most mathematical terms convey a decent amount of information.

    What I do have an issue with is using these terms anywhere outside of international contexts.

    A doctor should not tell their patient they have a “humerus” fracture. In German they would take about the upper arm bone.

    Or imagine if a doctor told you there is an infection in your digitus pedis. Fortunately English didn’t replace the term “toes” with its scientific one… YET.

    Hell, I could even apply this to doctor names in English which require a dictionary for anyone trying to parse them. I had to look up half of them by the way.

    Children’s Doctor <> Pediatrician

    Women’s Doctor <> Gynecologist

    Tooth Doctor <> Dentist (the least bad in my opinion - at least it’s short)

    Eye Doctor <> Optometrist

    Neck-Nose-Ear Doctor <> Otorhinolaryngologist (wtf???)

    Skin Doctor <> Dermatologist

    Like, surely there must have been (native) English terms for those doctors in the past. It’s not like the medical field popped into existence in the 1700’s. You can’t tell me a 15th century English peasent used Latin/Greek derived names for common specialized doctors.

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    • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Eye Doctor <> Optometrist

      Perfect example of why that is a bad approach. An Optometrist can measure your eyes for basic vision problems and monitor your retina issues, but you’d need an Ophthalmologist if you need surgery on those eyes for something the Optometrist finds.

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      • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Optometrists/opticians aren’t doctors over here though. They belong to the trades. This field doesn’t exist in Germany the same way it does in the US/Britain:

        Optometric tasks are performed by ophthalmologists and professionally trained and certified opticians.

        Wikipedia

        Eye doctors does actually refer to ophthalmologist though, I picked the “wrong” translation which ignores the differing legal frameworks. Looking back, I certainly went to the full blown ophthalmologist just for optometric purposes.

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    • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Otorhinolaryngologist

      Ot- => ear

      rhin- => nose

      laryng- => throat

      or just ENT, I’ve heard that being used.

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    • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “ear-nose-throat” is commonly used in English.

      And it kind of is like the medical field popped into existence in the 1700s.

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      • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Partially. In German, the term eye doctor has first been recorded in 1401 (ougenarzt) (according to Wikipedia).

        The 1700’s made enormous medical progress - but it’s not like people prior to that had no need for specialized doctors. For example, according to etymonline the term “dentist” was first used in 1759. You can’t tell me dentists didn’t exist for many centuries prior to that and didn’t have an “English-derived”, self-explanatory term. I mean, I never knew “dent” was Latin for tooth until reading the etymology just now.

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• hperrin@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Where are the minor lips?

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  • Jesus_666@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Note that these, too, have a German name, which translates to “minor taint-lips”. Just calling them “labia” in English is not just defaulting to Latin but also imprecise.

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    • Sonor@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why taint though? O.o

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      • Jesus_666@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s an old term for the sexual organs that’s only used as part of terms these days. I tried to kinda match that. My translation wasn’t great, though.

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• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ask someone what “Doglike” refers to and most would probably guess reasonably correct.

  Way to damn humanity with faint praise 😄

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