I dunno
I’m not trying to hit a flick shot on that vlookup
He's got a point
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funkajunk@lemm.ee 7 months ago
rockerface@lemm.ee 7 months ago
People that use vlookup over index/match are either geniuses or insane. Or both
Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 7 months ago
There’s something other than vlookup?
SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
Both. Both is good.
Kill_John_Lennon@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What? Why would you choose to use a combination of 2 formulas when there’s one designed to combine them?
MissJinx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Are we all working the same job? Just spending 8 hours inputing data, filtering and moving columns in excel?
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Sounds boring and easy to automate
MissJinx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
no no, the learning curve on the business enviroement won’t cover the financial benefits ;) lol jk, of course it is but no one is going to say it
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 months ago
Bad posture and form will mess you up in either. If it hurts to sit in an ergo chair the way you’re meant to with your hands at the right position on the mouse and keyboard: you’ve already been doing it wrong for a while.
crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 7 months ago
I will also argue that general workout will help a lot with pain. I used ti get sorre after some time and after getting a couple dumbells and working out the parts of my body that would hurt/get sore I rarelly ever have problems nowdays.
Raxiel@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m more likely to take a break with work. Unfortunately that break often entails sitting in the same chair, watching YouTube on the same screen.
sfxrlz@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Smoking breaks help. But that also kind of defeats the purpose
SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
I love video games, it my favorite hobby, but gamers get so defensive when someone points out any flaws with the hobby.
psmgx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Same. A lot of work chats and interacting were often meeting that could have been an email sorta things, mostly to get us moving around and active
Turun@feddit.de 7 months ago
Yes? But that’s already explicitly warned about.
At work I had to fill out a form which threats to my health could impact me. Next to chemicals or radiation, working at a desk for more than x hours a day was also listed as a potential source of bodily harm.
fidodo@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Exactly. Saying it’s a problem when playing video games doesn’t mean that it isn’t a problem anywhere else. For office jobs specifically, there is already plenty of awareness being spread and most offices give out onboarding material that gives tips on stretches you can do and on how to have a more ergonomic setup.
Maalus@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Someone who points out excel has clearly never played Starcraft in any capacity. There is a caster, who has a shirt with an x-ray of a hand that’s bolted to some sort of frame, with “APM” written on top of it (actions per minute, a measure of how fast a player plays the game).
Mobas, RTS are hell on wrists. FPS too, with all the flicking. You can do excel in a shitty position for years and you’ll not end up with screws in your hand or nerve pinching.
melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Yeah I played RTS games, including both starcrafts, through my mid twenties (really hung on to the damn things) and was pretty good (got to diamond and stuck there in sc2, which is another animal entirely from pro tier. High school pitchers rarely need special shoulder surgery), and I never needed hand surgery or even serious carpal tunnel help.
Until I was in a position where I had to use office shit for ten hours a day. Then I needed physical therapy for about a year. I think with the games, theres time during matchmaking and loading where you just have to move, even in your seat. Its a whole thing.
KevonLooney@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Most people don’t need physical therapy after working in an office for a few years.
fidodo@lemmy.world 7 months ago
To be fair, lots of companies specifically point out ergonomics and give out onboarding materials with suggestions on exercises to do and office setup best practices.
Awareness is important, and most office jobs already raise awareness about it. I think the only time I’ve seen it in video games were those take a break reminders I’ve seen in some Nintendo games.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I love spreadsheets (hey, we all have our weird interests) so at first thought this was an ASD meme.
Bigmouse@lemmy.world 7 months ago
How is liking spreadsheets connected to autistic spectrum disorder? (Im being genuine here)
Bgugi@lemmy.world 7 months ago
B.3. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).
Excel is a highly structured environment that follows strict rules and procedures to generate outcomes, often sorting and making sense of “messy” inputs. Prime candidate for an ASD hobby/obsession.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Good question. I have known many people on the spectrum in my life including several close family members and loving spreadsheets is not something I would attribute to any of them.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Tbf the combination can be worst. During COVID lockdowns I’d spend all waking hours either coding or hand writing for uni, hand writing to teach online, or gaming. Sometimes I’d crochet. I have chronic painful tendinitis now.
TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
People specialized in hand/arm/rotator cuff bodywork can help you with that. You might have to try a few different therapists before you find one that’s good, but it’s worth it to get relief.
Source- am a bodyworker
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Thanks for the tip, I’ll look into it! I’m really grateful to have this new thing to look into, as physio didn’t help much
ManniSturgis@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
It’s off topic, but I do approve of that user name. :)
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Droggelbecher
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Add two+ hours a day sitting in your car and the aging process is actually reversed!
GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Just cause the article discusses one thing, doesn’t mean it discusses all things
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The boss button is supposed to take you to Excel (or a reasonable facsimile).
It’s like you haven’t even played a game while you were supposed to be working in the 1990s. What are you, under 40?
crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 7 months ago
I used to experience this things from couple hours session on my pc.
I started to rely more on my keyboard which helped with right hand wrist pain ( vim for the win )
I then got a good chair, that when I need to type I have it sit upright so my back is cokpletely straight, and when I take my controller to play a game for longer sessions ( dead cells ) I can tilt it back a little, keeping my back straight and still keep a good posture that doesn’t hurt even after 5 hours ( not purelly 5 hours of just sitting and playing )
What helped me the most tho was getting one of those wrist training things and a pair of dumbells to train the parts ofy body that eould usually feel stiff after a longer session.
lobut@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I’m all seriousness everyone, take many breaks and there’s lots of wrist and hand stretches online.
Also, vertical mouse have helped my carpal tunnel. If you don’t know what that is, use the Magic Mouse for a little while and it’ll kick in.
Manmoth@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Getting a split keyboard is the biggest ergonomic improvement I’ve made.
lobut@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I’ve spent a small fortune on split keyboards now, it never came to mind for some reason. Definitely helped too.
herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I’m down with the sentiment of the comment, but I legit find I get way more arm/wrist pain from gaming than from spreadsheets. I think there’s much more prolonged button-pressing involved in the former. Some games are worse than others.
Right now my elbow is killing me from too much Project Zomboid over the last few weeks. A day of spreadsheets and QuickBooks today was almost a break from it (not that I didn’t go right back to PZ after work).
huginn@feddit.it 7 months ago
Elbow issues often means you’re using arm wrests.
If you are - don’t: it’s bad ergonomics. Chair without arm rests will help clear that up. Or drop your arm wrests to their lowest.
crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 7 months ago
I have arm wrest just low enough to feel them when trying, but good enough to rest m6 hands when havimg a controller in my hands.
herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Thanks for the tip (genuinely). Unfortunately in this case I actually don’t have arm wrests at all - I literally removed them from my chair years ago. There’s just something about this game in particular that really messes up my left elbow. No other game does that (normally it’d be just my wrists, if anything).
bruhduh@lemmy.world 7 months ago
To avoid wrist pains don’t keep your wrist midair, most of the time keep your wrist lying on something and relaxed, no wrist pains, coming from personal experience, about posture, sit slightly tilted back like in the chair you can sleep in and relax your spine while slightly lying on the chair with straight spine, and back pains gone too
theneverfox@pawb.social 7 months ago
It depends… If you’ve got good posture (and I don’t mean sitting up straight, you have to shift around), a good chair, and you get up every hour or two to at least walk around? It’s still probably not healthy, but at least you don’t get too many aches and pains
On the other hand, it’s a lot harder with gaming. You’ve got your hands on the keyboard or clutching the controller constantly, you (or at least I) will tense up and put strength in my wrist at a weak angle, sometimes I’ll find myself leaning forward and tensing up
I feel it if I’m on a gaming kick, but day in and day out it’s usually not too bad. It helps that I need to walk to refocus anyways, so even gaming I usually take a lot of breaks
LodeMike@lemmy.today 7 months ago
Associated with. So it’s probably just that, a correlation.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Hardly news that sitting still infront of a screen for long sessions is not that great for our eyes. And most people have poor posture so the back takes damage as well.
What you do doesn’t really matter. But what the article wants to get to is that it’s especially bad for children that have yet to develop their bodies.
Kind of like how drinking alcohol is bad for everyone. But it’s even worse if you’re under 25
LodeMike@lemmy.today 7 months ago
You still need to research it.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Let me air out two unrelated but similar things that annoyed the shit out of me back in the day.
Your parents then: “That floor mat thingy (referring to the Power Pad) doesn’t count as exercise because it’s still Nintendo. You need to go outside!!!”
Adults now: Middle school phys-ed classes consisting of playing Dance Dance Revolution apparently somehow now “counts” as real exercise.
And,
Your parents then: “The problem with you kids is you spend all day in front of that tube, watching those stupid movies and playing video games all day instead of reading books. It’s stunting your ability to differentiate fantasy from reality!!!”
Your parents now: Instantly believe every damn fool thing they see on Facebook, even and especially when it is clearly horseshit.
So yeah. I can totally believe that some moron would unironically believe that staring at a screen containing an office application is somehow automatically more “wholesome” than staring at a screen displaying any other content for the same amount of time.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Reading ebooks on a phone isn’t as valid as reading a paper book.
cumskin_genocide@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Both can be true
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I do far less movement on a computer.
Look at it, think, type something, look at it, think, type something…
Just noticed it a long time ago. I have time to do it right vs making the time to do it twice.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I used to pull 12hoursessions on everquest and suffered none of that
casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
To me it depends on how hard you work and game, and by that I just mean how you posture yourself over a keyboard and how actively/frantically you interface with a computer.
My posture is shit despite spending up to 14 hours a day in front of a computer. It’s still ways better than that of someone who hunches over their keyboard staring dead at their big ass monitor with their fingers locked in over the QE+WASD button group as they zone in to get that “flick” response time.
Meanwhile, my shitty posture is just lounging or reclining in my ergo chair as I swivel my neck to look at any of my three eye-level monitors. I shift around a lot and my hands aren’t near the keyboard unless I’m actively typing. I crack my neck and roll my shoulders often, sometimes stretch or go take a 15-minute walk. I only use dark themes and always have proper ambient lighting to prevent concentrated light exposure fucking up my eyesight.
I have been keeping this technophiliac routine going for about 5 years now. Depression, Severe General Anxiety/Paranoia, Alcoholism, Substance Abuse (weed), Over-eating, Serial Dating and unexplained bouts of mania were all problems I had to deal with during those five years. Some of them may have been amplified by this routine computer use but certainly not caused by it, I’ve identified the true causes for almost all of them and, aside from depression, they have nothing to do with sitting in front of screens all day.
There are much bigger issues associated with computer use and the media’s failure to report on them speaks volumes. Stop attacking the video games that aren’t predatory (keep going after the ones that are) and start really really taking a look at the effects of social media. Social media will destroy society long before video games get a chance to.
I stand by this statement, to the grave: Death to Social Media.
Hule@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Lemmy IS social media. Right?
…Right?..
insert Padmeme
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I hope “social” is the wrong word for… Whatever this is.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 months ago
No no, you see. Its okay and normal to destroy your body for other peoples profit.
The problem here is you enjoying yourself and experience happiness. Personal happiness is a sin in capitalism, because it might lead to thoughts of improving your situation, and thats the last thing anyone wants. Just think of what it could do to the shareholders!
/s because I know some dim bulb will take this seriously otherwise.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It might be a joke but you are on point…
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 months ago
its on point, but if I dont /s then someone will come in and think I’m actually arguing in favor of ruining your body for capitalism.
cause every time I’ve ever made a super obvious post, I always get some dimbulb response without the /s
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
No no, you see. Its okay and normal to destroy your body for the glorious state.
The problem here is you enjoying yourself and experience happiness. Personal happiness is a sin in communism, because it might lead to thoughts of freedom and self-improvement, and thats the last thing the government wants. Just think of what it could do to the production!
/s because I know capitalism sucks, but communism sucks as well.
melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Weird how your ‘communism’ always seems identical to capitalism, and literally every critique applies to both.
Almost like you don’t actually know what communism is and have created an entirely fictional external scapegoat to feel like the horror you labor in and perpetuate is morally good, or something.
This isn’t to defend the USSR, plenty of problems, but, like, you never bothered to learn what any of those actually were. Also, ussr≠all communism, some, including the USSR’s official position for the entirety of its existence, would argue that they weren’t communist at all.
Not that you care to use any crotical tjinking or curiosity to scratch the surface of the ideas you were told and discover myriad (mostly still shitty, but way more interesting and exciting) worlds beneath.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Why would any government oppose people’s thoughts of freedom and self-improvement, when that’s specifically the goal of Communism to encourage, as opposed to Capitalism?
trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 7 months ago
commulism is when the government do stuff