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Movie industry demands US law requiring ISPs to block piracy websites
Submitted 7 months ago by Glass0448@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world
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BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 7 months ago
khorovodoved@lemm.ee 7 months ago
As a guy from Russia, I must admit that vpns are not a big problem for censors. They can be easily blocked, including self-hosted ones by protocol detection. And DNS would not do much with IP and clienthello-based blocks. And most users are not enough tech-savvy to constantly switch to new protocols as old ones get blocked.
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
You have no rights in Russia.
VPNs can’t be categorically banned in the US without major first amendment issues. It’s not a huge technical issue, but unless the courts just throw out the Constitution (a risk that we’re seeing too much of, but still a meaningful bar to cross), there are huge legal barriers to doing so.
Your government doesn’t need to care about legal barriers because you have a dictator.
Syn_Attck@lemmy.today 7 months ago
CBaaS
Censorship Bypass as a Service, where your new updates are your [unique user ID].com
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Even HTTPS-incapsulated? C’mon.
That most users won’t care enough - that’s true.
noxy@yiffit.net 7 months ago
an industry which throws away finished movies because they don’t want to spend the money to release it?
yeah nah, you’re disqualified from an opinion on piracy.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Justice for Coyote Vs. ACME
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It is obvious profit is not their concern.
Instead of releasing a film that by all accounts would have been profitable, so that they can create a loss for tax purposes.
Why not maximize.profits, even if it means more taxes?
The shareholders should have a legal case.
noxy@yiffit.net 7 months ago
I think the shareholders with enough shares to have influence are the ones who encourage this sort of behavior - if it’s a long-term profit at the expense of short term, they aren’t interested
That’s my gut feeling on it anyways
admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 7 months ago
Yeah! Like, just because you make something, doesn’t mean you get to decide what to do with it.
androogee@midwest.social 7 months ago
Movies are made by a lot of people.
Many people pouring time, effort, and creativity into a difficult art form.
You think any of the people who actually made the movie had a say in the financial decisions about it?
Because that seems painfully naive.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 months ago
From the article…
He also told the audience that pirate-site operators "aren’t teenagers playing an elaborate prank. The perpetrators are real-life mobsters, organized crime syndicates—many of whom engage in child pornography, prostitution, drug trafficking, and other societal ills.
I’m honestly surprised they didn’t throw the word ‘terrorist’ into that description as well.
RGB3x3@lemmy.world 7 months ago
…Many of whom engage in child pornography, prostitution, drug trafficking, murder, terrorism, poisonings, Hentai, bad DIY, unsolicited advice, telling women to smile, wearing JNKOs, hacking banks, and NOT FLOSSING!
x0x7@lemmy.world 7 months ago
There are vegans that were dictators. Therefore veganism should be illegal. Also some people who breath air have been known to be murderers.
x0x7@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think maybe they are describing themselves.
Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Everybody knows movie pirates eat babies—
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Wait.
Pirate Bay.
Pirate Ba(b)y?
Pirate Babe Eat?
I think you’re on to something!
Carlo@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
You wouldn’t download a baby?!
ElmerFudd@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Especially eye-roll-inducing considering the pedophile problem in Hollywood hasn’t really gotten better, let alone been solved. Many of the exec types demanding things change are likely to be either perpetrators themselves, or sympathisers with the perpetrators of this behavior, and they tell us what we should believe is right or wrong based on the almighty dollar? Fuck Hollywood in general, but especially fuck the movie industry executives in charge. Greedy bastards.
Techphilia@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Aren’t those things already illegal? Wouldn’t the solution be to just go after the pirate-site owners for those reasons? Then the only pirate-site owners remaining will be regular people—the vast minority, they would have you believe.
GladiusB@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Are we surprised that the people that make up fantastical scenarios are selling a fantastical scenario? The people pirating are every day people that don’t want to pay so much for entertainment. You inept dolt.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You inept dolt.
Hostile much conflict bot?
And people accuse me of wooshness. 😋
jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Piracy does not hurt revenue and, in fact, may actually help it:
dumbass@lemy.lol 7 months ago
I have found and become a big fan of tv shows that I would have never had the chance to see because of piracy, one of my favourite shows ‘Corner Gas’ never once aired in my home country. Thank you piracy for helping me find good entertainment.
akakunai@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Never thought a single non-canadian would have even heard of Corner Gas lol
foggenbooty@lemmy.world 7 months ago
“It wasn’t willy-nilly… it was at crows.”
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Imagine how much money the movie industry would have if it stopped wasting time and effort on the false idea that 1 download = 1 lost sale.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 7 months ago
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 months ago
But remember, when it comes to doing a public good/service/education/etc, the government is perpetually broke and can afford nothing.
uis@lemm.ee 7 months ago
150M $? This sounds like with such money entire city’s Public Transport can run for 10 years. Without fees.
lorkano@lemmy.world 7 months ago
How about they start making good movies that are actually worth to go to cinema for instead of whatever they are doing
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Yup, I go to movies when they look good. But movies are so expensive these days that the bar is raised enough that I rarely go. If you’re going to ask $10-15 for a single viewing, you need to make a really good movie.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 months ago
And adjust the fucking business model so that theatres can make money from people just buying tickets at reasonable prices and don’t have to try to gouge them at the concession stand or treat them like criminals for bringing their own food.
I’ve been to one movie in the theatre since the pandemic and the main thing it did was remind me that seeing movies in a theatre just wasn’t really worth it anymore.
mox@lemmy.sdf.org 7 months ago
Yet another push for legally guaranteed corporate profits, with enforcement funded by taxpayers.
This practice should be abolished.
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Yeah. This is socialism… if there’s one group that hates socialism. Meh. We know they support this.
TheFriar@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Isn’t it fucking crazy that “industry demands ____” is likely to come to fruition, but “group of individuals demands XYZ” isn’t likely to change shit?
I demand better living conditions. We all demand an economy that doesn’t favor the rich. Not shit will change.
Companies “demand” shit and then just literally write the laws and hand them to legislators who pass them.
mPony@lemmy.world 7 months ago
literally write the laws and hand them to legislators who pass them
Remember, they pass them without reading them.
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 7 months ago
No, but they do read their bank account statement before passing to see if the
bribecampaign donation was paid in time.
gap_betweenus@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If your demands are being met you have power, if not you don’t have power.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Companies “demand” shit and then just literally write the laws and hand them to legislators who pass them.
Well, Congress only hears one side, they don’t read Lemmy to get the other side.
They have no respect for their constituency, because they think their constituency doesn’t care enough to engage them about it, and are ‘dumb’ enough to vote them back in the office again.
TheFriar@lemm.ee 7 months ago
There was a study recently that showed legislators’ votes are affected by like .3% by input from constituents. I’ll try to find it again, but I can’t say I’m surprised.
diffusive@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What year is this? 2008?!? Now we have Netflix and piracy is not a problem, right? Oooohhhh right they decided to kill the golden egg chicken but they still want the eggs
lorkano@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Streaming services went complete degen mode (exclusives that require you 6 different subscriptions). So people went back to pirating. Old rule - you are less convinient than pirate sites, people will just pirate instead.
restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I still don’t understand why they keep going after piracy when it is a symptom of the bigger problem. Movies today are expensive and often made inaccessible through BS digital services that periodically just make films and TV unavailable to save server space or avoid paying for licensing.
I would guess that the vast majority of people are not pirating content. I’d also guess that if digital providers and studios would actually try to change the distribution model that allows customers to buy content that is later turned off on a whim, they would see meaningful change in piracy activity.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Because piracy is the boogieman that allows them to wrestle more power and profit from everyone around them like the parasites they are. They want a cut every time anyone ever watches something, ever. And they want to control if you even have the option of what to watch.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Once Neuralink’s installed adn they start selling off our thoughts to information collection bureaus, they’re gonna want us to pay a license for everytime we think about someting not in the public domain
slaacaa@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I live in the EU, have all major streaming subscritions within the family, and we couldn’t watch Terminator 2 anywhere. One of the most famous classic action movie, not even available for purchase on Apple TV.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I still don’t understand why they keep going after piracy when it is a symptom of the bigger problem.
It doesn’t have to be rational “profit-maximization”. Look at comments in threads that pertain to AI training, web scraping, etc. A lot of ordinary people seem to believe that this is how it’s supposed to go.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Movies today also kinda suck.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Because it’s easier for them to blame others than admit they fucked up
HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I demand laws requiring the movie industries to throw any IPs they don’t want to use or any movies they don’t give reasonable and simple access straight into the public domain
sepulcher@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Just cut out the middleman and get rid of copyright and patent laws altogether.
They are not good for society and only useful idiots think otherwise.
pjwestin@lemmy.world 7 months ago
No. Copyright laws originally allowed creators to profit of their work for 28 years, which is perfectly fair and reasonable. Corporate lobbying extended copyright to 70 years past the author’s death, which is obviously insane, since creators can’t profit off their work after they die. But just because corporations perverted the law in an attempt to retain IP indefinitely, it doesn’t mean that copyright law itself is bad, and wanting reasonable protection for an authors IP doesn’t make you a useful idiot.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Wage theft and fraud poses a larger threat to the economy. Rather than hiring 20 million dollars of internet policing to save zero dollars of the economy could we get 20 million dollars of police that prosecute fraudsters and shitty employers?
Fungah@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Can we just start hanging the rich on live TV?
Imotali@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Y’know the French did this “publicly execute the rich” thing before. Worked out pretty great for them… maybe we should learn a thing or two.
db2@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The parasites that keep the money aren’t the “movie industry”, the people who actually work to make the movies are.
iegod@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Fuck 'em. Pirate more.
Wahots@pawb.social 7 months ago
Oh no, now I will have to pay $50/mo to re-watch marvel movie 832 and an action movie where the main character has to go on a 2hr quest for revenge after someone shot their pet.
…I barely watch movies anymore, there’s not been a ton of great new stuff imo. I’m so sick of subscriptions, too.
Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They’re pretty much all the Journey Of The Hero anyways and that shit if 3000 years old.
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Same. Been watching a lot of film noir actually. The third man, double indemnity, strangers on a train. What happened to story telling?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Yup. I used to watch a lot of movies and TV shows, now I mostly play video games and read books. Movies and TV just aren’t that good.
sepulcher@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Yeah. I just use free streaming sites.
It really put things into perspective who the useful idiots are in society.
We’re surrounded by them.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I would propose a law that states " All companies must keep their data away from the Internet. If the data ends up in the Internet then it’s up for grabs by anyone"
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 7 months ago
Or just abolish copyright law altogether.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Nah, but definitely limit it to 10-15 years. The original term in the US was 14 years, with an optional, one-time extension for another 14 years. I’d be down with that.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The movie industry can’t bother to provide and preserve the movies they make, they should shut the fuck up.
Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 months ago
“They are deying us our Corporate Right to Profit!!!”
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
USDoJ: How about no.
Oh, right. This isn’t 1992 when the DoJ had balls and a constitution.
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Okay, I’ll use my own DNS provider
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 7 months ago
Anyone have a list of legislators who are also investors in VPN companies?
kokesh@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They can go F themselves
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 7 months ago
And half a year later, additional categories are added for CSAM. And another year later for illegal copies and cracks. All the while some states openly missuse it against porn and whistleblowers. We know that game already!
BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Piracy websites should add a copy of the U.S. Constitution to their websites. Just slap a “/constitution.html” on the site.
Then, if the MPAA succeeds, we can talk about how the U.S. Government is blocking access to hundreds/thousands of copies of the Constitution online.
mlg@lemmy.world 7 months ago
For all the random crap American ISPs have done, the one thing they usually don’t do is piracy monitoring unless they get paid a premium to do it.
Like Disney pays ISPs and other data companies to track torrent peers and report any IPs in the USA. But I bet you at&t would not care at all if they weren’t being paid for it lol.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Service Provider
Not Service Regulator
They shouldn’t have any knowledge of what websites people visit
tux@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If it’s that big a deal go after the service providers for the servers, this type of shit just makes inhibiting free speech easier.
If I don’t want people using Truth Social I guess making a bunch of accounts to share torrent links would be enough to shut it down?
The MPAA still has never been able to demonstrate that privacy even has actual impacts on movie and ticket sales… When Netflix was super convenient and had a lot of content piracy went down. Turns out splitting to dozens of streaming services made it difficult enough that people just went back to sailing the high seas. So lower your prices, make it more convenient to pay for services and people will just do that instead.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Frankly combining the recent and less recent events - I think fuck them.
I can understand selling a book or a movie and it being theft to download a copy. It’s at least logically consistent - you show someone something with a condition that they pay you, it’s dishonest to look and not pay.
But owning characters and universes and their names and so on?
And these laws not being used against “AI” firms?
All at the same time?
No. Right is about compromise. They don’t do that, so we don’t owe them anything. And let them obey what is made for their benefit first.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Instead of being contempt with one yacht, they’re gonna do what they can to have zero.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Tor Tor Tor Tor Tor that’s the way the vpn goes.
(In the cadence of the thong song)
KeepFlying@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Cool. Now all, of Google Drive is blocked because one guy hosted a movie there for a few days.
db2@lemmy.world 7 months ago
All it would take is someone getting AWS blacklisted for an hour, that law would disappear like it never existed.
Overlock@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Piracy Shield blocked a Cloudflare IP address recently too