Screens keep getting faster. Can you even tell? | CES saw the launch of several 360Hz and even 480Hz OLED monitors. Are manufacturers stuck in a questionable spec war, or are we one day going to wo...

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• Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Doubt

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  • Tom_bishop@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You must be trolling

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    • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, they are. This is a meme, sir.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You don’t say.

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    • Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Where’s r/woosh when you need it lol

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  • MaxVoltage@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Screen tearing more

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    • LWD@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have a 3060 graphics card and still experience screen tearing on games made on the same engine as Duke 3D.

      I don’t know whether to blame Nvidia or myself, but between the two of us, I think Nvidia has more money than I do

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• aaaantoine@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  On one hand, 360hz seems imperceptibly faster than 240hz for human eyes.

  On the other hand, if you get enough frames in, you don’t have to worry about simulating motion blur.

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  • DosDude@retrolemmy.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I never worry about motion blur, because I turn it off. The stupidest effect ever. If I walk around I don’t see motion blur. Cameras see motion blur because of shutter speed, not the human eye.

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Umm, well, there is something like motion blur experienced by humans, in fact, your brain creates the time bending effect based on picture 1 and picture 2

      www.abc.net.au/science/articles/…/3647276.htm

      There is a trick where you watch a clock that counts seconds and turn your head fastly away and back there (or something like that) and you will see, that the rate of seconds seem to be inconsistent

      See “1. CHRONOSTASIS” bigthink.com/neuropsych/time-illusions/

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    • ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Motion blur in games gives me bad motion sickness and garbles what I’m seeing. I already have a hard enough time processing information fast enough in any kind of fps I don’t need things to be visually ambiguous on top of that

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wave your hand in front of your face and tell me it’s not blurry

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  • ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That also depends on the person. Save for really fast moving things I can barely tell the difference between 30 and 60fps, and I cap out at 75 before I can’t notice a difference in any situation. One of my friend’s anything less than 75 gives them headaches from the choppiness.

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    • Clam_Cathedral@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, personally playing games at 30fps feels disruptively laggy at least for the first few minutes. 60 is good, but the jump to 120 is night and day. I was shocked that going from 120 to 240 was just as noticeable an improvement as the last to me, especially when so many people say they don’t notice it much. Hard to find newer games that give me that much fps though.

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• a1studmuffin@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’d much rather they invest efforts into supporting customisable phones. Instead of just releasing a few flavours of the same hardware each year, give us a dozen features we can opt into or not. Pick a base size, then pick your specs. Want a headphone jack, SD card, FM radio, upgraded graphics performance? No problems, that’ll cost a bit extra. Phones are boring now - at least find a way to meet the needs of all consumers.

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  • ggwithgg@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not exactly what you are talking about, but slightly related: the company Fairphone makes phones with parts that can easily be replaced. The philosophy is that you will not have to buy a new phone every 3 years. They do have some customized options aswell (i.e. ram, storage, models) but its limited.

    But going full on optimization with phones, laptops and tablets, similar as a desktop, is just incredibly hard due to the lack of space in the device for the components. As such it makes more sense to offer a wide variety of models, with some customizable options, and then have the user pick something.

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    • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      On Fairphone, they flat out refuse to even discuss adding a headphone jack (check the posts in their forums - it’s a “hands over ears” no) so I’m sticking with Sony/ASUS (the latter atm as they’ve been slightly less anticompetitive recently but I’d much rather go to a decent company) until they do… It’s not like you notice a phone being 1mm thicker when you have a 3mm case on it anyway

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    • M500@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My problem with fair phone is that they use old hardware.

      I never replaced any parts on my old phone and only replaced the phone with a new one because it was getting really slow. I replaced the xr with an iPhone 15.

      So my concern with the fair phone is that I’ll replace it with faster hardware more frequently than I would have replaced a no repairable phone that’s faster.

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  • stevecrox@kbin.run ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I wish a company would build 4.5"-5.5" and 5.5"-6.5" flagship phones, put as many features that make sense in each.

    Then when you release a new flagship the last flagship devices become your 'mid range' and you drop the price accordingly, with your mid range dropping to budget the year after.

    When Nokia had 15 different phones out at a time it made sense because they would be wildly different (size, shape, button layout, etc...).

    These days everyone wants as large a screen as possible on a device that is comfortable to hold, we really don't need 15 different models with slightly different screen ratios.

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    • DJDarren@thelemmy.club ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      These days everyone wants as large a screen as possible

      iPhone mini gang rise up!

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  • zurohki@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    RIP Project Ara

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  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Your talking about project Ara. Google bought it out and killed it roughly ten years ago.

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• morrowind@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well no, because most people aren’t getting them. It’s nice but it’s difficulty to justify spending hundreds on a lightly better screen

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  • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This tech trickles down to mainstream in a few years. That’s always how it is.

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    • TAYRN@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Cool, so in a few years we’ll have a screen which isn’t better in any noticeable way?

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• vext01@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Reminiscent of the hi-res audio marketing. Why listen at a measly 24bit 48khz when you can have 32/192?!

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  • vividspecter@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These have an actual perceivable difference even if subtle. Hires audio, however, is inaudible by humans.

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    • vext01@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I tend to agree, but the audiophiles always have an answer to rebuttal it with.

      I’m into audio and headphones, but since I’ve never been able to reliably discern a difference with hi-res audio, I no longer let it concern me.

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    • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They have tests you can take to see if you can hear the difference. A lot of people fail! Lol

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• ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t need or want a phone over 90hz, and a pc screen over 180hz. A phone is a waste of battery and a pc screen over that is a waste of money.

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  • Vlyn@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then don’t buy them? With better screens coming out the ones you do want to buy get cheaper.

    Back in the day 144hz screens cost a premium, now you can have them for cheap.

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    • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I stopped buying tvs from 2000 until like two years ago, when i saw them on sale for like $200. Been living off of projectors & a home server. I skipped so many “innovations” like curve, flat, HD, 4K, trueColor.

      Weird that it has a OS and that was a shocker.

      I look forward to what TVs bring in 2040.

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    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I didn’t say I wanted them disallowed from being made. Just that it’s dumb to buy them.

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• azenyr@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The bigger the screen, the more you notice because it covers more of your field of view. I would say 240Hz is the sweet spot. You can definitely feel the improvement from lower rates, but rates above it start to be barely noticeable. However I am fine with 144-165Hz if I wanted to save money and still get a great experience. Bellow 120Hz is unusable for me. Once you go high refresh, you cannot go back, ever. 60Hz feels like a slideshow.

  Funny thing is, even if my monitor and PC can do it, I rarely let my fps go above 120-140. I limit them in the game. PC gets much quieter, uses less power, heats up less and its smooth enough to enjoy a great gameplay. I will never understand people who get a 4090 and play with unlocked fps just to get 2000 fps on minecraft while their pc is screaming for air. Limit your fps at least to your Hz people, have some care for your hardware. I know you get less input lag but you are not Shroud, those less 0.000001ms of input lag will not make a difference.

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  • morbidcactus@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I went from 1080p60 as my standard for literal decades to 3440x1440 @144hz over the last 2 years and I can’t go back, mostly for non-gaming activities, find the ultrawide better than multi monitor for me, would love a vertical e-ink display though for text. I also limit my fps to 120, I don’t like feeling like my PC is going to take off and the place I rent is older so the room I use for my office is smaller, heats up quickly.

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  • Euphoma@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Minecraft actually gets better FPS when you don’t limit its FPS. When I play at 60 fps, it usually dips into the 50’s and 40’s, while when its unlimited, there are no noticeable dips.

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• Snoopey@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  All I want is a 27/28 inch oled 4k monitor with good hdr. I don’t care about the refresh rate as long a it’s 60Hz+

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  • dai@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Minimum for me would be 120hz, i’ve been using 120hz since 2012 (12 years… man) and anything less feels like a massive step backwards. My old S10+ and my cheapie laptop feel sluggish in any animated / transmission scenario.

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  • bitwolf@lemmy.one ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m sticking out with IPS until MicroLED matures enough for me to afford.

    OLED was never designed to be used as a computer monitor and I don’t want to monitor that only lasts a couple years.

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• BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It won’t matter until we hit 600. 600 integer scales to every common media framerate so frametimings are always perfect. Really they should be focusing on better and cheaper variable refresh rate but that’s harder to market.

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  • patatahooligan@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well, not really, because television broadcast standards do not specify integer framerates. Eg North America uses ~59.94fps. It will take insanely high refresh rates to be able to play all common video formats including TV broadcasts. Variable refresh rate can fix this only for a single fullscreen app.

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  • Vlyn@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean the 240 I use already does that. So would 360 or 480. No clue why you fixate on 600.

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    • BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      600 also scales to PAL standards

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• Jumi@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I splurged on a 4k 144hz monitor when I worked constant night shifts in covid times and I don’t think I will ever need something else.

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What is the idea behind 144? It seems to particular a number to be arbitrary. 24, 60 and 120 seem to be based on other techs and related media.

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    • Darthjaffacake@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I found people online saying it’s because it’s 24 frames (standard frame rate) higher than 120 meaning it can be used to watch movies using integer scaling (1:6 ratio of frame rate rather than 1:5.5 or something strange), take that with a massive grain of salt though because lots of people say there’s other reasons.

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    • Lojcs@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think it’s because 120hz + overclock can get to 144 so someone probably started selling factory OCd 120hz screens at 144hz and then it caught on. Then someone did the same to native 144hz and we got 165hz. I’m more curious about why 165 was chosen, its not a nice number like 144

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    • Jumi@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I honestly have no idea but so far I never really reached 144 fps or 4k, much less both simultaneously.

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• Copernican@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So when are 144hz, 1440p, hdr oleds going to come down in price?

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• DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Isn’t the point that you’re not supposed to be able to tell?

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• pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  At this point it’s a dick measuring contest.

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  • devfuuu@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Always has been.

    Big numbers go brrrr.

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• just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s complicated. Certain slow and continuously moving objects would be perceived as moving more slowly even fast 500hz, but due to the nature of displays displaying frames, certain other types of motion would show no improvement. For me, 144hz looks the same as 240hz for most games, but not the same for others.

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• Donkter@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This says “can you tell?” Like I don’t get a new screen once every 10 years maybe and even then the last one I got was used.

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• hark@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  360hz no scope

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• M500@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I still use a 75hz desktop and 60hz on my Laptop. I can’t tell the difference.

  Even looking at the iPhone 15 pro next to a 15 looks the same to me.

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  • azenyr@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To be fair, 60Hz to 75Hz is barely noticeable even by those who are used to notice these things. If you can’t tell the difference, it’s understandable.

    Then, the bigger the screen, the more noticeable high refresh rate is, because it covers more of your field of vision. So in a small iPhone screen it’s not easy for everyone to notice (and then there is the fact that iPhones rarely go to 120Hz anyway which is an absolute mess by itself but that’s another topic, so your 15 Pro probably rarely goes above a noticeable Hz change anyway).

    However, if you get a 144Hz or above, 24" and above monitor, you will IMMEDIATELY see the difference against your 60Hz monitor. Even moving the mouse feels more responsive and accurate. Makes targeting stuff with your mouse easier. Reading text while scrolling is possible also. It unlocks a new world, it’s not only for gaming. Casual and work use also benefit a lot from high refresh rates.

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  • Liz@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When it comes to my phone, I can tell the difference between 90 and 60 Hz. I prefer 90 Hz but I would be okay with 60. Ideally I’d like the highest refresh rate I can get inside my budget when I have to buy a new device with a screen. One annoying limitation is that all the video is played in 24-60 Hz. I notice it when things move with any kind of speed or when I’m looking at background object and the camera moves.

    All things considered, it’s a minor annoyance. My quality of life wouldn’t change if I were limited to 30 Hz.

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    • M500@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Now I need to find a 144hz monitor. I’m not gaming outside of my steamdeck and don’t do online, so I don’t care about that. But I’m always working with text.

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  After all, it wouldn’t be the first time manufacturers have battled over specs with debatable benefit to customers, whether that’s the “megahertz myth” or megapixel wars of the ‘00s or, more recently, smartphone display resolution.

  You can read an in-depth breakdown of the reasoning in this post in which they argue that we’ll have to go beyond 1000Hz refresh rates before screens can reduce flicker and motion blur to a level approaching the real world.

  Higher refresh rate monitors might be smoother, with better visual clarity and lower input latency for gamers — but at what point does it stop making sense to pay the price premium they carry, or prioritize them over other features like brightness?

  All of this also assumes that you’ve got the hardware to play games at these kinds of frame rates, and that you’re not tempted to sacrifice them in the name of turning on some visual eye candy.

  But even as a person who’s been enjoying watching the monitor spec arms race from afar, I’m not looking to imminently replace my 100Hz ultrawide LCD, which I’ve been using daily for over half a decade.

  Or, to use an even sillier example, it’s like drinking bad coffee after a pandemic spent obsessing over brewing the perfect cup at home.

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• Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Finally, a screen with the refresh rate that my cat can enjoy! He sure is gonna love that Tom & Jerry like no other cat that ever lived.

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  • LWD@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have some tragic news about the frame rate of Tom and Jerry, and how it was never made to be accessible for cats…

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, I’m aware. My main concern is that the screen flickers for them and not that the animation is smooth. lol

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• LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What a dumb premise.

  No, the content isn’t a thing on the media side and most folks don’t have 3080 class hardware to get to 120 much less higher at any decent resolution and fidelity.

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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You don’t need a 3080+ to get 120fps.

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• NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I can’t even be bothered with 4k, never mind this. I guess least it gives them something to do…

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