Calculation for MAU changed so the old MAU and the new MAU cant really compared
old one used to include commenters and posters while the new one has that and also voters
both are missing people who dont do any of these three actions though
Lemmy MAUs climbing back up! You love to see it.
Submitted 10 months ago by jezebelley3d@lemmy.zip to fediverse@lemmy.world
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Ategon@programming.dev 10 months ago
swab148@startrek.website 10 months ago
It’d be hard to track lurkers on federated platforms though
Ategon@programming.dev 10 months ago
For communities yes due to cross instance stats but for instances themselves (which the stats above is based on) no. You can just use post read times in addition to the three which will catch anyone who has read a post
Electromechanical_Supergiant@lemmynsfw.com 10 months ago
People who don’t do any of those actions are not active users. Lurkers are not active by definition.
They shouldn’t be included in the active user count, because they’re not contributing any activity.
Ategon@programming.dev 10 months ago
It depends on what is being called activity
The standard that social media uses for monthly active users it to do people who have logged in. This is what mastodon uses as well
While they aren’t actively contributing content they are still actively using the site
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
I mean, a lot of folks got reminded about Reddit fuckery via the Reddit Recap which heavily featured news about the API boondoggle.
So, I wonder how many people were like “Yeah, I forgot to leave.”
AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That’s me
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Welcome!
BigBenis@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I left then but forgot to join Lemmy until just last week.
After nearly a decade on Reddit, 6 months without any Reddit-like experience was kinda wild. I thought I’d feel like I’d have more time but other things just filled the doom scroll void. Once I started getting my memes from YouTube I decided it was time to try Lemmy.
JackLSauce@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Tbf, the 3rd party apps improved greatly over the past 6 months
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I promise that’s not it.
Nobody “forgot” anything. They were just too lazy and too unwilling to accept even marginally less polished or content-rich experiences. I think we all severely under estimated how much the average internet user has changed from a decade ago. The entrenchment is real and it goes far deeper than we realized. The days of userbase jumping from site to site might seriously be over. At least in the way it was back when Digg jumped to Reddit.
And that’s really, really sad because that effectively means the boardrooms and shitty admins that run these sites can do anything they like and never face seriously pushback. As long as the content is there, the money will flow. Those of us that give a damn about useability, customization, moderation policies, user control, etc. they have literally no incentive to ever listen to us when they can reliably keep getting income from every teenager that only understands how to hit “Install” from the app store and literally nothing else.
The active daily user count is probably going up because Lemmy is a bit more settled now than it was 6 months ago. There’s far less drama, the “main” communities are a little more decided, the 3rd party apps are all in place and more polished, and it’s all a bit less janky now, with a bit more content to boot.
We’re growing. Slowly. Very slowly. There will be no great exodus, there will be slow trickle.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
You seem to think that slowly growing is bad, I think it’s great. We can get better and better at handling everything and then we’re ready if another great exodus happens.
doylio@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I joined lemmy back in June but slowly returned to reddit. Now I’m back on lemmy because I’ve noticed the huge surge in political rage baiting (likely by bad actors) on reddit. Lemmy is just nicer!
Corgana@startrek.website 10 months ago
I was pleased to see Lemmy get a shout out in the Verge’s recent “Case for the Fediverse” article. I wonder if it attracted anyone new.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 10 months ago
Fungah@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I don’t want a huge influx of users. Lemmy is good. I like Lemmy. A flood of people enshitify it.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 10 months ago
A nice slow growth pattern would be nice.
PuddingFeeling907@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
We would get more financial support for third party apps and more content.
stevehobbes@lemy.lol 10 months ago
Lemmy broadly is very group-think right now. There isn’t a large diversity of opinion yet; growth would be good - the real issue is when you have actually saturated a market, the only way to grow is through increasingly shitty things (see: reddit). Lemmy won’t have those same problems because the commercial model is so different (non-existent).
lugal@lemmy.world 10 months ago
In my opinion, it’s not growth in users that’s the problem but in capital. The more the platform wants to earn, the shittier it gets. And since lemmy isn’t going to earn anything, it ain’t get shitty
amanaftermidnight@lemmy.world 10 months ago
What’s the purple masto?
Zak@lemmy.world 10 months ago
ShittyKopper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
I think fedibird is a hard fork, so I guess it makes sense to count it separately compared to a soft fork like glitch or chuckya
I’m more surprised why there aren’t any misskey instances on the list. if fedibird is on there misskey should certainly be there
rockSlayer@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yea, that’s the only one I don’t recognize. My first thought was some rightwing shithole like yddrasil, but I’m pretty sure that’s not their logo
Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Out of morbid curiosity, what are the other main rightwing shitholes of the fedi?
SorteKanin@feddit.dk 10 months ago
More users is nice, but the real metric should be the quality of the content and discussions. And for me that’s the real winner with Lemmy.
Quality over quantity.
nicetriangle@kbin.social 10 months ago
I just hope the platform will expand into more niche content over time. The big topics seem to be news, politics, and some specific tech subjects. Would love to see arts/crafts/hobby related stuff take hold here as well.
That said, I do think a lot of the discussion happening here is pretty high quality and the place does seem to be improving over time. Time will tell. Hopefully more people wake up to the fact that reddit is not gonna hold up on the long term. I expect them to go IPO crazy this coming year and I don't think a lot of the core users are going to like it.
TeaHands@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Might not be the kind of arts and crafts you’re talking about but I mod both !knitting@lemmy.world and !lemmy_stitch@sh.itjust.works, plus there’s !crochet@lemmy.ca , !sewing@lemmy.world and plenty more that would be happy to have you!
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 10 months ago
Okay but how do we quantitatively and unambiguously devise a metric for quality? More importantly, how do we come up with a satisfactory approximation to that metric? I’m open to ideas.
twilightwolf90@lemmy.world 10 months ago
How about a ratio of post upvotes to avg upvotes per post in a community? At least upvotes somewhat correlate with post quality.
rockSlayer@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Personally, the only reason to come up with that kind of metric is to justify “profitability”. Lemmy is completely and entirely devoid of the need of profit, so imo it hasn’t, doesn’t and won’t matter
nix@merv.news 10 months ago
Quantity helps the quality in some important aspects though. For example we don’t have an equivalent to r/LegalAdvice or r/AskDocs because there isn’t large enough amount of people that are doctors/lawyers using Lemmy
TheGreenGolem@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Or AskHistorians. God I miss that sub.
swab148@startrek.website 10 months ago
But we do have an excess of Trekkies and Linux nerds!
It’s me, I’m the Trekkie Linux nerd.
shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Quality is subjective, you can’t really measure it. Actual numerical stats like these are more useful imo
Nima@lemmy.world 10 months ago
it’s why I’ve stayed since the initial huge migration from reddit. I find myself caring more about interacting with other commenters.
I never did that on reddit because comment sections just kinda felt like battlefields or playgrounds rather than discussions.
greencactus@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yes! I fully agree. And it feels just much more… Enjoyable. Because if a post only has 10 instead of 1000 comments, I’ll actually read them and react. And gosh, the few discussions I had on Lemmy were very nice and I actually learnt something new.
moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Pixelfed is underrated by the people.
covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
A powerful photo sharing platform without the shity parts of instagram. Just the opposite of doomscrolling prevalent there
MBM@lemmings.world 10 months ago
We’re already that close to Mastodon in user count? Wack
oce@jlai.lu 10 months ago
2% of active users vs 18% for Mastodon though. I’m impressed by Mastodon’s percentage, how comes?
rglullis@communick.news 10 months ago
alien.top has registered 1.18M users, but pretty much all of them are (still) bots and not count as active.
Servers that mirror Twitter users (like bird.makeup) would don’t inflate Mastodon user count because it reports itself as a different software.
CrayonMaster@midwest.social 10 months ago
Where did those numbers come from? MAU/users ismore like 25%?
weeahnn@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Could someone explain how the 2 million users are calculated for Lemmy?
I don’t know if fedidb.org is up to date but there, the total number of users is at 352625.
TeaHands@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yep you’d expect it to climb significantly once .world upgrades. Basically this update messes with the baseline stat a lot so no reason to celebrate, but also no reason to really be fussed either way as long as we’ve got plenty people here to talk to 👍
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’ll definitely shoot up. I’m a world user and vote the majority of the posts I come across. I don’t do a lot of post submission, but do comment as much as I can contribute. I’m sure I’m not alone.
Ategon@programming.dev 10 months ago
the 2 million here includes the account bots that mass target open signup instances. (if an instance has no restrictions on signing up then they tend to make 8k accounts or something on it en mass). fedidb detects that and excludes it
Dankry@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yep, Alien.top has 1 million accounts alone and they’re all crossposting Reddit spam accounts. More instances need to defederate from that spam instance.
jelloeater85@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Ah, yeah, there are no where near 2 million HUMAN users. More like about 400k.
TBH it’s more about the 40k active users, which is still great.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
is kbin that small
Carighan@lemmy.world 10 months ago
“What’s a kbin?”
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
Is… Is that an Ultima 9 reference?
roofuskit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Something happened with the main dev shortly into the big takeoff and it was abandoned for two very critical months. I jumped ship from kbin because all development halted before the API was implemented for apps to have access.
It really killed the momentum of the entire platform.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Something happened with the main dev shortly into the big takeoff and it was abandoned for two very critical months. I jumped ship from kbin because all development halted before the API was implemented for apps to have access.
It really killed the momentum of the entire platform.
dipshit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
(bigger instances are not the point of decentralization)
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Does it say anything anywhere about big instances? I’m confused.
dipshit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
this thread is about instances fighting to be #1 isn’t it?
Aman9das@lemmus.org 10 months ago
Aren’t you on a big instance?
dipshit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Only the biggest. as I understand all other instances shut down when the biggest instance wins.
I have accounts on other instances and am considering starting my own. that’s my point - lemmy doesn’t need big instances because federation makes all instances part of the same but decentralized.
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 10 months ago
True but it does seem like a good sign of a healthy ecosystem.
dipshit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
So long as we don’t view it as a race to the top. having one instance that’s more popular than the others just means added pressure for that instance to perform. and if it doesn’t perform? lemmy loses users who may not want to migrate to another instance
beefcat@lemmy.world 10 months ago
kids are on winter break
JackLSauce@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Forgive my ignorance (actually, no, bitterly hold a grudge against it but answer the question through your repressed seething anger) but why are there 2 Mastodon logos?
Sentient_Modem@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I know the first two icons (Mastadon and Lemmy), but what are the other ones?
Master@lemm.ee 10 months ago
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
Look at the picture chart
GluWu@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Pixelfed n peertube
lettruthout@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Sorry, what does MAU stand for?
weeahnn@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Monthly active users.
lettruthout@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Thanks.
Romanmir@lemmy.today 10 months ago
Monthly Active Users.
smeg@feddit.uk 10 months ago
See Wikipedia