Actually I’d prefer a petition for Microsoft to drop Windows support entirely.
Petition demands that Microsoft extends Windows 10 support
Submitted 1 year ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to technology@lemmy.world
https://ghacks.net/2023/10/29/petition-demands-that-microsoft-extends-windows-10-support/
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cooopsspace@infosec.pub 1 year ago
IntrepidIceIgloo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Even better: petition for Microsoft to release the Windows source code under the GPL
Redrum714@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yea they should stick to phones
Aggravationstation@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’d sign that!
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It would be beautiful to see Windows become another Linux distro and ditch the NT kernel
the_q@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Just switch to Linux, guys. You can do it!
nutsack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
said no music producer ever
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 year ago
There are people who work on music full time on Linux.
PlexSheep@feddit.de 1 year ago
It’s not that bad. Bitwig studio plus ya ridge works pretty good. Also: no Tux no bux
the_q@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re almost getting to the point of switching… So close!
Wutchilli@feddit.de 1 year ago
Sadly besides freecad all the other CAD programs i use are not made for linux
Nilz@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
This is my biggest frustration as well. I usually use Onshape because it’s browser based but it doesn’t support a 3D mouse sadly.
prole@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m guessing programs like that are too complex for WINE?
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Nope. i like playing games and not being in a community which brings up Linux in every conversation
Rapture@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Your right, windows being brought up continually because they did something shitty every day is way better
the_q@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People having interests they’re passionate about is a no-go, eh? What do you and your friends talk about?
tabular@lemmy.world 1 year ago
GNU+Linux *
KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
once DRM and windows-only anti-cheat are no more, sure. but until then, the monopoly is working.
Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As long as people stay on windows for those reasons, it means it’s working. Chicken and egg.
jack@monero.town 1 year ago
You will never switch. Oh well
NeryK@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
As far as gaming goes, no you really cannot. While a lot of progress has been done, notably thanks to Valve’s efforts with Proton, it’s still not ready for mainstream. Anti-cheat software incompatibility, peripherals drivers unavailability and overall jankiness are as many hurdles that make it interesting for tinkerers, but unrealistic for the general public.
the_q@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s crazy, bud!
goes back to playing my games, doing my art and enjoying my computing experience
kurcatovium@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It HIGHLY depends of what gamer you are. I switched to linux almost three years ago and all the games I wanted to play worked (nearly) flawlessly. But… the thing is I play mostly single player ones and usually a bit older. So for me it was huge upgrade. I got so mad over Windows so many times during last months of usung it at home, BSODs for no reason, forced updates disrespecting my settings, …
Redrum714@lemm.ee 1 year ago
As much as I love Linux that’s not happening anytime soon
guywithoutaname@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Not everyone can. People should consider their needs but Windows has programs that professionals rely on.
the_q@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s crazy, bro!
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 year ago
They really should. Windows 11 has the bullshit “requirement” of needing SecureBoot so it can’t work on BIOS motherboards, only UEFI ones. This is different than saying you no longer support 32 bit CPUs. There’s no reason to require fucking SecureBoot. Seriously. It’s like someone saying they won’t sell you a TV if your house doesn’t have a lock in the door and then advertising their TV as secure because of that.
icedterminal@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Your entire statement here stems from not knowing what you’re talking about. That’s OK. I’ll provide some insight.
Secure Boot is a security feature of UEFI that only allows trusted, cryptographically signed operating systems to boot. The nature of this prevents rootkits. Software that runs before the OS and injects itself. BIOS has many hard limitations and disadvantages over the modern standard that is UEFI. Your comparison going from 32 to 64 bit architecture is quite fitting. It’s not that different. There are many hard limitations and disadvantages to 32 bit. It’s unfit for today’s standards due to lack of features and security. All aspects of technology have to move forward.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes, but you could still buy a new motherboard without UEFI support a year ago, and there are still some units in stock online.
It’s way, way too early to drop support of an OS that is the latest version that can be run on hardware that current.
People who spent 3 grand building a computer in 2021 should be able to have OS support for at least a decade. They can’t upgrade their OS, so the latest OS they could purchase should be maintained longer.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 year ago
I know all of that. Tone down the condescension. That’s why it’s bullshit for Windows 11 to say it’s secure because of SecureBoot when in reality it’s a feature of your motherboard.
SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 1 year ago
or, you know, just switch to linux. several distros are basically just as usable out of box as anything microsoft has released.
NightOwl@lemmy.one 1 year ago
I’ve tried and gaming is a lot better than it was, but I still prefer Windows in that department though I do stick with SteamOS for the Steam Deck and haven’t bothered running Windows on it.
SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 1 year ago
yeah I’m mid transition myself - probably switch for good when win10 goes EoL. I tried win11 and hate it.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
If only SteamOS was made generally available.
And I honestly prefer the non-terminal solutions that are generally in Windows.Users here generally seem to forget that
1: Not all users are power users
2: Professional software is generally not developed for Linux but either Windows or Mac. Linux is an afterthought
3: Not all programs run as you’d need it to. Wine and Proton can work for single use but I don’t see daily activity going very well with it.For downvoters on point 3 saying they do it:
I tried the EA launcher with Proton on the SteamDeck. It’s a hacky solution and in general a not supported environment. Good luck getting help from EA if something goes wrong.
This also applies to general work environments: HPE (server brand of HP) for example denies support if it sees a non-HPE product that may interfere with your support case. They ask you to remove it and then send another support file.Grass@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Windows on steam deck is the most awful experience. There is a reason why tablet PC’s and non-laptop portables failed until apple used fanboy power to make tablets viable again.
brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
i run dual-boot on my PC, these days i’m only switching over to windows for gaming since nvidia GPUs don’t get a lot of support on the linux side.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve done something different. I just have two computers. One for just playing games (windows), and one for everything else (Mac).
be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 1 year ago
That's all well and good, but choosing Microsoft is choosing their bullshit too. It's your right to choose, but if you're sharing a rowboat with an alligator don't be amazed when it eats your chicken. (or something like that)
PlexSheep@feddit.de 1 year ago
Not really an option for the M$ dependent corpos
SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 1 year ago
yes, but the Enterprise level license usually lasts longer than the individual license does. Enterprise level you’re basically stuck in that ecosystem, you’ve got tools written for it. I remember when IE6 was the latest hotness and then everyone struggled to get away from it for years and years but integral revenue generating tools relied on it.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Especially in comparison to windows 10.
It’s not gonna be getting feature updates, even if support continues, and W10/Linux desktop feature parity is a lot closer already than one would think.
DashboTreeFrog@discuss.online 1 year ago
I am starting to make the effort in switching but honestly, it’s not going as easily as I hoped… I got my old Surface Go running fully on Mint now and I’ve got some frustrations trying to make it work the way I want. I’m sure I’ll get there, but what seemed like a fun project has become frustrating.
Next I plan on setting up dual booting on my gaming setup, which I suspect should be less frustrating than trying to run Linux on Microsoft hardware. If that goes smoothly I’ll wipe Windows on the machine and switch fully to Mint there.
Only thing I don’t think I can let go of Windows on is my work laptop. I use too much MS office suite stuff for work and have to move documents between people all the time. I already tried using Libre Office at work a few years back already and it just didn’t work out, especially Power Point / Impress.
Overall, yeah, I think we should all start making a move off Windows when I see the state of things, it’s just… not that easy for everyone.
Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 1 year ago
“Please sir, could I have some more?” - windows user
“Huh, what?” - Linux user
Redrum714@lemm.ee 1 year ago
“Huh, what?” - Linux user with broken audio driver
bh64@lemm.ee 1 year ago
audio driver support in Linux is good enough these days.
and if it doesn’t work in your specific hardware, that’s your hardware’s fault and not Linux’s.
It’s like buying a Raspberry Pi and saying “windows doesn’t work”. You’ve acquired the wrong hardware.
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Linux kernel is huge, I bet it has support for more audio devices than Windows or MacOS, as it is used not only on PCs.
onlinepersona@programming.dev 1 year ago
These people… install linux! Your computer aren’t made to run just one single OS.
tabular@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Please let me keep these old chains for a bit longer!
We must continue to improve freedom-respecting operating systems so that more users will switch.
abbotsbury@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Freedom respecting operating systems have been painless for most machines for at least a decade at this point, for that long anyone could have installed an easy distro and just used it normally. The problem now with getting people to switch is that they expect zero adjustment period, when they could just get used to something new that still functions 95% the same as Windows on the user’s side.
GreenMario@lemm.ee 1 year ago
If Win11 didn’t fucking go “naw bro you don’t have a LoJack on your motherboard so no install” I’d be like whatever but since it does they need to keep supporting it for at least a decade or remove the Trusted chip requirement. I know you can bypass it, but nobody in business is gonna do that and neither is Grandma.
watcher@nopeeking.link 1 year ago
Comsidering it should have been the last Windows ever… Yeah.
kurcatovium@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Remember when Windows 10 were advertised as the final and only Windows? Pepperidge farm remembers…
GreenMario@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That was back when Mac was still OS X right? Once they hit 11 numbers had to go up. It’s why there isn’t a Xbox 2.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Linux is something I’ve tried to switch too a few times but but the cost of lost software would make it a more expensive choice than windows. Its gotten better and more things work but I’d still be losing some stuff I use quite often, both games and tools for work.
Dasnap@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have multiple machines for different use cases, so I switch between Windows, MacOS, and different Linux flavors constantly. They all have their benefits and drawbacks. People like to push Linux gaming, but 90% game support still can’t beat 100% support. Meanwhile, I wouldn’t let Windows ever even touch a server machine. You can trust software like Ubuntu Server or Amazon Linux to be stable if you’re not touching it, while Windows likes to keep you on your toes…
MacOS is a good middle ground but not one I would personally use outside of a work machine. It’s fairly stable, and it has a Unix style base so it can run Shell happily. Meanwhile software is seemingly a horrible mixed bag that has only been exasperated with the Arm jump. For a computer noob however, it’s great. If you don’t mind staying in Apple’s little zoo then you’re not going to have issues.
I don’t know why I went on this ramble.
systemglitch@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I find Linux always breaks on me, and eventually it breaks in a way I am unable to fix. Windows never does this to me, I am always able to fix an issue on Windows.
I would love if Linux was as easy to use, but my personal experience is quite the contrary.
Sure it is easy to set up and get running, but windows is even easier , and then the breaking happens… inevitable and everything time.
whaleross@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You know when you have an issue with your Linux so you air it on a public forum and are overrun with useless comments that you should switch to Arch because it’s so much better and you’re stupid if you don’t?
Yeah.
aard@kyu.de 1 year ago
Is Arch really that popular nowadays?
I mainly know it from the colleague who switched to it back in 2006, and then we made fun of him over the next year for all the stuff that was broken on his system, and worked on ours. He only was let off because a new hire went for Gentoo, and had stuff even more broken.
onlinepersona@programming.dev 1 year ago
Unfortunately, linux has its trolls too 🙁
prole@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m relatively new to Linux, but my experience has been the exact opposite. People seen super fucking helpful on all of the forums I’ve come to from Google after searching my problem.
Like REALLY helpful and nice.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Haha, translated petition demands Microsoft earns less money and loosens up control over their users. Ain’t happening.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Worked with Windows 7
NightOwl@lemmy.one 1 year ago
I’m still on Windows 10. Are the complaints people have over windows 11 overblown or valid?
Chobbes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not a windows user but it seems every time there’s a new version people swear they’ll never use it and that the old version should be supported forever… and then eventually that “horrible” version becomes the next version that people won’t let go of… Are you guys okay?
moonburster@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My PC doesn’t fill the requirements for windows 11 and yet it was trying to update to it. (I7 2600 works fine, but not supported)
Installed Ubuntu and just didn’t look back
Aurix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I understand the CPU hardware limitations due to Spectre/Meltdown issusles, but at the same time it is an ecological disaster. Two decades ago you would ditch your hardware frequently, simply because it could not run any new application. Now I have systems which do have more than appropriate computing power for my specific tasks and are forcefully obsoleted. They should at least extent Windows 10 critical fixes until 2030.
I believe the situation will cause to Windows 10 to become the next Windows XP immortal ghost for quite some time.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Windows 10 came out in 2015, 10 years seems like a plenty decent lifespan.
Windows 11 came out in 2021, so 10 users will have had 4 years to upgrade.
ProfessionalMcUseful@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Remember when Windows 10 was gonna be their final OS?
Oreos@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Microsoft be like: Windows 10 Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC)
Robaque@feddit.it 1 year ago
I read petition as putin lol
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Slaves will be slaves.
TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 1 year ago
There is LTSC that has longer support cycle.
RedDoozer@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Linux and Wine and no need for W10
clot27@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Why blud even uses windows 10? its worse than win11.
subignition@kbin.social 1 year ago
OS-as-a-service needs to be made illegal, ffs
knotthatone@lemmy.one 1 year ago
It makes some sense for business & enterprise stuff, but not for household/consumer computers & devices. That’s just rent-seeking and forced obsolescence. There is no good reason a home computer from the past fifteen years should have security patches withheld because the manufacturers want people to throw them away and buy and brand new ones.
subignition@kbin.social 1 year ago
I kind of get it, but I feel like even in a b2b context you shouldn't be allowed to charge a subscription for something as low level as the OS.
Now if Microsoft wants to offer paid support subscriptions for business customers (they might already do, I didn't look) that I would be fine with.
Of course, businesses would just pivot in the other direction and speed up the release cycle to every year or two, making smaller and smaller improvements. No system will be perfect. I just hope we get to a better solution than "constant vigilance" eventually, whatever it looks like.
synceDD@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So what do you propose? You buy windows xp and you deserve free updates up to windows 55 until you die?
be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 1 year ago
Do you understand what software as a service is?
Not wanting software as a service is also not proposing anything like your strawman.
jack@monero.town 1 year ago
Not relevant
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Could you imagine having to pay apple a monthly fee just because you use iOS on their phone?
Or pay Google every month to use android?
fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Except that you can keep upgrading windows or just install linux and be up to date with the security patches for like 10+ years, your phone runs out of support in like 5-6 years in the best case and then good luck using these banking apps securely.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Xbox Live and Playstation Plus: backing slowly out of the room
jack@monero.town 1 year ago
Why? Because you’re too lazy to try replacements?
Redrum714@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Paying for a service or product is never going to be illegal.