The Grace Hopper Celebration is meant to unite women in tech. This year droves of men came looking for jobs.
ITT: men who can't ever admit they might be the problem. So many excuses here it's pathetic.
Men Overran a Job Fair for Women in Tech
Submitted 1 year ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.wired.com/story/grace-hopper-celebration-career-fair-men/
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Neato@kbin.social 1 year ago
sudneo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Problem for what?
I exist, I need a job to live, I have job, I try my best not to be an asshole, I fight (and vote) for a better society, for social and civil rights.
Why exactly I - since I am a man I feel included in your statement - should be THE problem?
Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I try my best not to be an asshole
Maybe people are getting too in the weeds with this because much culture war
But it is an asshole move to show up to an event meant for one group of people when the original issue is how over represented your group is. I’m a developer. The grind sucks. But I would be an asshole to show up to this.
Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
seriously this happens a lot people will go off and say word for word that a whole group of people are evil and bad when its a subset of a group. When called on it they may simply say that its not talking about the group as a whole or “not for you” if they dont genuinely believe the whole group is bad (which is wrong and discriminatory)
The issue is the discrepancy of what you say in relation to what you mean will lead others to believe in what you say but not what you mean and this harms those just trying to survive normally.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Being an asshole is not illegal. Obeying the law doesn’t mean you’re a good person.
If these dudes were - as the article quotes describe - pushing, shoving, cutting in line then like I don’t see why you feel you need to identify with these particular dudes.
You can absolutely wait until some guy actually is being unfairly treated before dying on this hill.
01011@monero.town 1 year ago
Can you expound on that statement?
It sounds as if the organizers were too quick to take the $650 from attendees and those willing to pay were very eager to pony up the cash in the hope of networking.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The attendees should be able to tell that they would be intruding even if the organization didn’t bother to check that. Both were in the wrong.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s nothing more pathetic the a Mens Rights Activist. Shame to see so many of them here.
ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 year ago
I don’t support the actions of men in this article, but all gender roles are toxic, and there are societal expectations of men that are genuinely toxic.
Again, women have gotten the shit end of the stick for muuuuch longer. I don’t want to minimize that. But saying mens rights activists are pathetic?
60% of male suicides report no off behavior from the man before commiting suicide. This suggests it isn’t a mental illness causing the problem, but circumstances in their life cause them to kill themself because they truly see no other solution or way out for the predicament they’re in.
How come men are twice as likely to be homeless than women?
Why isn’t it socially acceptable for men to take on the “care taker roll” like a stay at home dad or a nurse?
I could go on, but I don’t want to make this a rallying cry for men in a thread about a tech conference for women. I get meninsts is like a men’s rights group that was created to troll feminists, but men’s rights and woman’s rights should both just try and be egalitarian
eighty@lemmy.one 1 year ago
derf82@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s abusive to checks notes apply for a job?
Neato@kbin.social 1 year ago
It's abusive to invade women's spaces as a man looking to take advantage. Stay out.
Oh look, you're all up in this thread a day late posting his horrid takes.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 1 year ago
I like how this comment section highlights why a job fair specifically not for cis men is needed lol
PeachMan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s so fucking cringe. I work in tech, I see how weirdly women get treated and I see their unusually high turnover rate. Early on I was told “women don’t last long here” and it was very true, that woman in particular quit to do freelance work (good for her). Why can’t women have a job fair? Men don’t fucking need one, NEARLY ALL of the other tech job fairs are dominated by men.
Soulg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m really being sincere, but why would men magically not need a job fair? They can also be unemployed and struggle to get a job. That’s not a 2x specific issue.
cricket97@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If woman want a job fair they should create one that actually only allows women, but given no one seems to have a definition for women, it might be hard to do.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why can’t women have a job fair?
Laws.
I agree with you, it’s just not the way the laws were written.
Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What’s worse is when you see workplaces that want more women for only the idea it will ‘bring up the standard’ like….I think there’s something telling about the culture alone if they need a specific gender to help understand better standards of working. I would hope they are hiring inclusively for more reasons than just ‘our standards are low cuz men are poo and we won’t confront them on it. We will leave it to women to mommy manage it for us. Know any women looking for a job?’
Nima@lemmy.world 1 year ago
some of the comments here are downright scary. women can’t have a single thing, it seems.
rambaroo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, this sucks. It doesn’t surprise me, but it sucks. So many manchildren out there who only think about themselves.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 year ago
And article makes it clear what is to blame
The nonprofit says it believes allyship from men is important and noted it cannot ban men from attending due to federal nondiscrimination protections in the US.
lol
Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah if there’s ever a sign that a group doesn’t need representation is when they brigade someone who does.
robo@feddit.uk 1 year ago
[deleted]Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 1 year ago
No it does not. The problem was with men that lied about their gender.
Cullen White, AnitaB.org’s chief impact officer, said in a video posted to X, formerly Twitter, that some registrants had lied about their gender identity when signing up, and men were now taking up space and time with recruiters that should go to women.
sudneo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How dare workers in (potentially desperate?) need of a job to look for jobs. They are men and belonging to that category automatically makes them rich and privileged. The working class should be united against common enemies, not divided because of gender. While it’s obvious that women in tech are discriminated, alienating fellow victims, even if males, is not the answer to the problem.
Capital really won the class war…
bjornsno@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I know you didn’t mean it like this, but the result from this line of thinking is that we only try to put women on equal footing with men in tech when it’s convenient for men because times are good. Which in turn means we never put women on equal footing because the needs of men always come first.
Put differently women have to deal with being women in tech on top of times being desperate, men only have to deal with times being desperate. Things like this are why spaces like these are necessary in the first place, and if you break them down at the first discomfort you’re not a working class hero fighting the capital, you’re tearing down women and setting everyone back.
sudneo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Gender is absolutely not the only nor the most important discriminating factor in tech. Being a foreigner and, probably most commonly, being old is an extreme disadvantage in tech. Similarly, a woman coming from a wealthy family might be a privileged compared to a man coming from a poor background (which translates into lower access to education, resources, etc.).
Look at the video in the article, and tell me you don’t notice some commonalities among the men in the queues.
I see mostly foreigners, who most likely have no network of support, and need a job to maintain a VISA before getting kicked out of the country. Are they in a better or worse position compared to a local woman? Does it even make sense to start asking these questions?
I want to challenge this vision where discriminations are only looked at through the lens of gender division. This is shortsighted because discrimination on the workplace is extremely diverse and it exists for the benefit of those same sponsors of this event.
jet@hackertalks.com 1 year ago
What do you mean by equal footing? Equality in Outcomes, or Equality in Opportunities?
Having a job conference open to all genders sounds more equal then a conference excluding a gender identity.
I personally would love to get to the point where names, photos, genders, and social networks - are removed from all employment material and people are just judged on their ability to do a job.
Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A lot of times people arguing like that ignore the imbalance that exists and they go on to argue as if everything is equal to start with.
ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The paywall dropped on me before I could get to the end of the article, but a couple of observations:
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“Overrun” is dehumanizing language. I’m otherwise highly sympathetic, but casting desperate people, many likely staring down deportation unless they can find a new position, as an effective horde is gross. I would like to trust that Wired provided that characterization, not the organizers.
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The organizers ruined their own event, by not establishing and enforcing guardrails for attendance. This is a problem mostly of their own making. Rather than pointing, again, at desperate people, they should be accepting responsibility and planning to avoid the issue in the future.
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Wahots@pawb.social 1 year ago
I think part of the problem is that everyone- regardless of race, sex, gender or orientation has MASSIVE debt, in part due to the greed of the housing and rentals market, student loans, and unpayable medical bills- on top of caring for families and children. While people in a 1:1 conversation would definitely acknowledge cons for minority groups, this situation is more like a sinking ship with everyone fighting over the same few rickety lifeboats. Everyone else is just a faceless competitor as debt sharks get closer and closer.
I still don’t understand why we don’t write laws preventing CEOs from making disgusting amounts of money and why we make sure that we don’t have multibillionares hoarding vast amounts of cash that should be getting invested into the very job fairs and infrastructure people are squabbling over.
It’s an unfortunate situation any way you look at it. And it’s a bummer that people are missing the forest for the trees in this thread :/
athos77@kbin.social 1 year ago
They are men and belonging to that category automatically makes them rich and privileged.
Privilege doesn't mean that things are easy or automatic, just that (in general) people with privilege don't have the same systemic negatives that those without it have. And it's very indicative of privilege for the men who went to this thing, which was built up over a number of years by a community specifically to benefit the members of that community, to just assume they had the rights of a community member without ever having contributed to that community. Something exists, and therefore they are automatically entitled to it.
I can have sympathy for people desperate for jobs, and I can understand class warfare, and yet ... once again something that women and enbys spent years and decades building up, is ruined because cishet men decided it was more 'convenient' for them to invite themselves into spaces not designed for them.
And yes, I do get frustrated with men not understanding issues of consent, in all of it's different aspects.
psychothumbs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I can have sympathy for people desperate for jobs, and I can understand class warfare, and yet … once again something that women and enbys spent years and decades building up, is ruined because cishet men decided it was more ‘convenient’ for them to invite themselves into spaces not designed for them.
Couldn’t this same logic be used by men to justify not allowing women into the tech industry in the first place? If someone of the gender wrong gender being around counts as “ruining” then men could say "once again something that men spent years and decades building up, is ruined because women and enbys decided it was more ‘convenient’ for them to invite themselves into spaces not designed for them. In fact I’d say something like that attitude really is what underlies a lot of tech industry sexism.
Gender-exclusive spaces often seem appealing to the favored gender, but they’re really not good for anybody.
sudneo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My point is that while privilege can be applied to a category, it doesn’t make sense for a small number of individuals.
As I mentioned in another comment, look at the video, and notice how most men are clearly foreigners. Foreigners who maybe need a job to keep their visa or that anyway might not have the same network of support behind because they are just 2nd generation.
In my opinion, alienating fellow victims of a discriminatory system is at best shortsighted.
I also disagree with you deliberately labeling convenience what can very likely be necessity. I understand this aids your argument, but I find it purely based on prejudice.
sadreality@kbin.social 1 year ago
Switch men with women.
Let's see how that reads 🤡
Class is a lot bigger factor in these things than sex...
luthis@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
Yeah that was my first thought. For men to be trying to get a job here means there is real serious desperation. Don’t hate the desperate people, hate the people that created this desperation
stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 1 year ago
sadreality@kbin.social 1 year ago
Modern feminists are the biggest bootlickers out there.
They sold out in 1970s, no solidarity.
stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 1 year ago
JasSmith@kbin.social 1 year ago
Cullen White, AnitaB.org’s chief impact officer, said in a video posted to X, formerly Twitter, that some registrants had lied about their gender identity when signing up, and men were now taking up space and time with recruiters that should go to women. “All of those are limited resources to which you have no right,” White said. AnitaB.org did not respond to a request for comment.
Who picks their gender identity? The individuals or Cullen White? If anything this underscores the insanity of identity politics. If gender is whatever an individual feels like, then this event was just thousands of women and non-binary folks, and White needs to stop being such a bigot. However I think most of us understand that this is nonsense.
huginn@feddit.it 1 year ago
"an increase in participation of self-identifying males”
These aren’t guys who claim transgenderism or non-binary identity, these are men.
Gender is what an individual feels like: and it’s a consistent feeling regardless of their circumstances.
Nobody in good faith argued that your gender changes at the drop of a hat or whenever convenient. The transgender people I know have experienced significant suffering for decades due to a mismatch in feeling vs societal impositions.
White isn’t being a bigot: you are with your terf talking points. Fuck off.
JasSmith@kbin.social 1 year ago
These aren’t guys who claim transgenderism or non-binary identity, these are men.
They didn't poll anyone already at the conference. This is Cullen White making a prima facie observation of people who present as men and claiming they "lied" about their gender identity when sighing up."
It sounds like both you and White feel entitled to dictate to others their gender.
psychothumbs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Gender is indeed based on what an individual feels like. That’s a perfectly reasonable way to categorize people - it’s also for example what religion is based on. It’s just hard to implement systems where you give different rights to different genders when there’s no way to check what gender someone is besides asking them. Probably the best solution is to just treat people the same regardless of gender so nobody has an incentive to lie.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Just because gender is a complicated matter, it doesn’t mean people can’t be dishonest about it. Trying to invalidate transgender people for the lies of male registrants intruding on women’s spaces is doubly shameful. Really, transphobic people love to put up a flimsy mocking pretense that they are a different gender to discredit trans people.
Even entertaining this argument seems like a mistake, but trans and non-binary people are a small minority. It’s extremely unlikely that they would outnumber cisgender women.
It’s sad to see this sort of two-faced transphobic talk taking starting to take root in Kbin and Lemmy. It’s bad enough how much of this happens in other places.
agent_flounder@lemmy.one 1 year ago
If gender is whatever an individual feels like, then this event was just thousands of women and non-binary folks,
The event could be “thousands of women and non-binary folks”. Did all these male-presenting people identify as women or non-binary just to be able to attend this event?
What do you think identity politics is, exactly? Just a way to make changes you don’t like to make you unhappy? It couldn’t possibly be about people trying to make social changes so they’re not constantly treated like shit. Oh no. The horror.
endhits@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This comment section is a perfect example of how capitalists have won the class war. Such hatred for half of the population of the world that people seem to have forgotten that people need jobs to survive.
dangblingus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I would like to know which half of the population you think is receiving the hatred and which half of the population is lobbing it.
crazyfuckincoder@programming.dev 1 year ago
Seriously… no one should be blamed for trying to earn a living. Instead of being supportive of each other and fucking organizing in unions, we are fighting with each other.
bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Divide and conquer is a strategy old as world
Clent@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Pretty sure Lenny’s user base is heavily male dominated.
CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Tangentially related, but are job fairs even worth it? In my limited experience, you wait in a long line for someone to tell you to apply online. I was better off getting a list of employers who were attending, and then looking through each of their websites.
Rentlar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think I figured it out… only rarely you’d get immediate interviews, but the idea is you get LinkedIn contacts to chat with later and industry insight, and something to tell recruiters/hiring managers that you did, but you dress it up in a way that shows you look for opportunity like “I met members of [industry/company] at a recruiting conference in [town]”. I found industry conferences to be more useful than jobfairs in this respect, but those can be a little to a lot expensive.
Otherwise it’s pretty much just being told to scan QR codes, business cards and maybe getting a couple plastic cups and pens.
tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 1 year ago
No. TBH It’s a huge red flag is a recruiter wants upfront payment with no guarantee at the end of it (or even if they ‘guarantee’ one). If the recruiters are so desperate for someone they want to organise a job fair, they can bloody well pay for it themselves.
EnderMB@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My experience of going to a tech fair was:
- Great discussion with sourcing recruiter of Big Name Company, who loves CV and experience
- Get Business Card and told to apply online
- Apply online
- Ghosted/immediately rejected.
They’re basically box-ticking exercises for companies that want to work with specific organisations.
JonEFive@midwest.social 1 year ago
I’ve been on the opposite side. A company I used to work for did a table at a job fair once. The candidates who showed up to talk to us were mostly under qualified for the entry level position we were trying to fill. And by that, I mean that people with zero knowledge, training or experience in our industry. Even one class or a little knowledge might have sufficed.
We had one guy lingering near our table who really seemed to want to work with us even though his skill set didn’t fit our needs at all and we told him as much. The whole thing was a big waste of time for us, we never did another one after that.
LongPigFlavor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I remember when a lady tried to scam me into an MLM at a job fair I attended several years ago.
serial_crusher@lemmy.basedcount.com 1 year ago
If recruiters are trying to discriminate, and you have the attributes they’re discriminating in favor of, getting a face-to-face with them can be a way to get your foot in the door that doesn’t leave a paper trail.
Which really highlights how bad the job market is now. All the recruiters at this job fair are going to share the sentiments the organizers are expressing in this article. They’re there to hire women and are pissed at all the men who showed up, so significantly less likely to hire them… but those dudes are so desperate they still gave it a shot.
Gork@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That’s been my experience as well. Totally pointless when they just want you to apply online. What’s the use of networking then?
tory@lemmy.world 1 year ago
All of those are limited resources to which you have no right,” White said.
But then earlier:
The nonprofit says it believes allyship from men is important and noted it cannot ban men from attending due to federal nondiscrimination protections in the US.
So… We’d like to discriminate against men and would conversely see no problem if someome else hosted male only hiring events…?
_s10e@feddit.de 1 year ago
Ignoring gender, are job fairs overrun by job seekers now? Is it that bad?
psychothumbs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Glad to see federal anti-discrimination law working to prevent these conference organizers from being as sexist as they wanted to be.
alienanimals@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People in the comments: Discrimination is bad! (Except when it’s against a group of people I don’t like)
Shame these people can’t understand the flaw in their logic. More discrimination is not the answer.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 year ago
Most of the problems mentioned in the article seemed to be problems with the convention organization and not the attendees.
Pxtl@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I can’t wait for this to be posted on Hacker News, get 5 of the worst techbro libertarian nonsense comments, get 3 angry SJW replies to those techbros, then dang shouts at the SJWs about tone, rate limits them, then flags the article off the site.
/it me, I’m the SJW.
serial_crusher@lemmy.basedcount.com 1 year ago
Organizers expressed frustration. Past iterations of the conference have “always felt safe and loving and embracing,” said Bo Young Lee, president of advisory at AnitaB.org, in a LinkedIn post. “And this year, I must admit, I didn’t feel this way.”
“This group was really accepting until all these unacceptable people showed up”
randon31415@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have to sayings I give to my students.
In times of high unemployment: “Be overqualified for the job you are applying to. If you are not, you competition will be.”
In times of low unemployment: “If the recruiter picks a name out of a hat among those who applied, your chances are 1 divided by the number of applicants. Find the average number of applicants that apply to jobs you want - that is the average number of applications you have to send out before you find a job. (E.g.: Online WFH jobs with good pay sometimes get thousands of applications).”
I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
From the title I thought this was an article about men driving vehicles into people at the job fair. I was slightly aghast that the discussion was only about whether or not it’s ok to have a job fair for women in tech.
Trev625@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Purely commenting on the TikTok and not the article:
“… career fair aimed at women and non-binary tech workers…” and then there’s a TikTok that says “A conference for (wo)men by women” and “the allies are totally allying”
So do only female presenting nonbinary people count?
(I know if you read the article that it says there was an increase in the number of self identifying males but how would the TikToker know that? The TikToker is just looking at the crowd and assuming that the place is overrun with men without actually checking if they’re NB.)
Rentlar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If we had proper public supports for people between jobs, students and immigrants looking to find a way to live and/or not get kicked out of the country, this wouldn’t be a problem.
The whole job hunt feels like a rat race, it’s practically common recruiter advice to apply for stuff that you don’t qualify for on paper, send out as many applications as possible and take every chance you can get. So I can see how people can apply these ideas to participate in spaces where they aren’t encouraged to apply.
This is compounded by the pressure put on people to even live for short periods of time.
jet@hackertalks.com 1 year ago
Women overran a job fair for men in tech
The Grant Hopper Celebration is meant to unite men in tech. This year droves of women came looking for jobs.
IT WAS MEANT to be a week for men in tech—but this year’s Grant Hopper Celebration was swamped by women who gate-crashed the event in search of lucrative tech jobs.
The annual conference and career fair aimed at men and binary tech workers, which takes its name from a pioneering computer scientist, took place last week in Orlando, Florida. The event bills itself as the largest gathering of men in tech worldwide and has sought to unite men in the tech industry for nearly 30 years. Sponsors include Apple, Amazon, and Bloomberg, and it’s a major networking opportunity for aspiring tech workers. In-person admission costs between $649 and around $1,300.
This year, droves of women showed up with résumés in hand. AndyB.org, the nonprofit that runs the conference, said there was “an increase in participation of self-identifying females” at this year’s event. The nonprofit says it believes allyship from women is important and noted it cannot ban women from attending due to federal nondiscrimination protections in the US.
Organizers expressed frustration. Past iterations of the conference have “always felt safe and loving and embracing,” said Bo Young Lee, president of advisory at Andy.org, in a LinkedIn post. “And this year, I must admit, I didn’t feel this way.”
Cullen White, Andy.org’s chief impact officer, said in a video posted to X, formerly Twitter, that some registrants had lied about their gender identity when signing up, and women were now taking up space and time with recruiters that should go to men. “All of those are limited resources to which you have no right,” White said. AndyB.org did not respond to a request for comment.
Tech jobs, once a fairly safe and lucrative bet, have become more elusive. In 2022 and 2023, tech companies around the world laid off more than 400,000 workers, according to Layoffs.fyi, a site that tracks job losses across the industry. Tens of thousands of those cuts have come from huge employers like Meta and Amazon, and some firms have instituted hiring freezes. The layoffs have been particularly brutal for immigrant workers, who have been left scrambling for sponsorship in the US after losing work.
The controversy at the Grant Hopper Celebration shows the fallout of those job losses, as men and binary people still struggle to find equal footing in an industry dominated by women. Men made up just a two thirds of those working in STEM jobs as of 2021, according to the US National Center for Science and Engineering Statistics.
As job cuts bite, all prospective tech workers have become more desperate for opportunities. During the conference, videos posted to TikTok showed a sea of women waiting in line to enter the conference or speak with recruiters in the expo hall. Men and women are seen running into the expo as a staffer yells for them to slow down.
Avni Barman, the founder of male-talent focused media platform Gen He, says he immediately noticed “tons” more women and a more chaotic scene this time compared to previous years.
Barman was at the conference to host a meetup. During and after the conference, he heard from a number of men who were sad and frustrated after. “This is a conference for men and binary people,” Barman says.
Nelly Azar, a student at The Ohio State University studying computer science and engineering, attended the conference and saw long lines of people waiting to speak to employers. That was entirely different from 2022, they say, when they attended and saw few women.
Azar says they could talk to only two of the companies they were interested in because others were inundated with applicants. Long lines zigzagged outside the entrance to the event’s expo hall. The frustration was palpable. This year’s conference shows “not only how fragile our spaces are, but why we need them more than ever,” Azar says. “Now is one of the most important times to advocate for gender equity.”
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
While getting more women interested in natural science and tech is an important issue, the current approach in the States isn’t working, and one of the major point in you-know-what is that despite the aggressive, well-intentioned push of female representation in traditional male dominated industries in fictional media(it does go too far sometimes), it does not seem to translate into the real world, ans enforcing a female only job fair also seems also well intentioned but unhelpful, because ultimately, you can’t force people to like something.
It’s troubling, but there doesn’t seem to be an easy solution to this.
Landmammals@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No one wants to work anymore!
Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They are all for gender equality, except when…
psmgx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I believe you mean ADMIRAL Grace Hopper
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Well you can’t tell them they can’t come. What would be better is to focus marketing on your demographic. They clearly missed the mark
Kirkkh@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m happy to see so many Redditors have migrated to lemm.ee judging by these comments. Idk why—you could have just stayed on Reddit, but okay.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
if yall are going to a job fair at least don’t be assholes about it.
escaped_cruzader@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The beauty of new age gender being non-falsifiable
neshura@bookwormstory.social 1 year ago
Likely scalding hot takes from me but here goes:
The entire gender debate is idiotic, policing based on what someone feels like is just stupid to the absolute maximum and will create more problems than it solves (imo it doesn’t even solve any problems, just creates a facade politicians can hide behind). Discriminate based on sex instead if you must, at least that has an objective property that can be checked if needed.
While I’m at the hot takes:
- Qutoas for anything are stupid and harm the minority they were made for more than they help (The “they were a quota hire” issue)
- Generalizing any group (examples: all feminism is xy, all men are xy, all conservatives are xy) just sabotages whatever you are advocating for because people on the fence about the topic which are part of the group you just generalized will now be sure to absolutely loathe you and reject your arguments even if they are true
- Feminism did a lot of harm people are not acknowledging, it is a good thing and was needed but to pretend there never was a downside is a bit silly (mostly wages just freezing in place due to the workforce almost doubling and the repercussions that carries). Ignoring the collateral damage done is extremely harmful and won’t help anyone long term.
- The debate about nonbinary people has reached a level where an increasing number of people can’t take it seriously anymore, each time the acronym list of LGBT gets longer more people either check out of supporting it or turn actively hostile to it because they think it’s going off the rails. Find a model that fits all people instead of tacking on more exceptions and special cases and the entire thing would have a lot more support imo.
gmtom@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I get it. Women got so many extra opportunities when I was in undergrad it was silly.
A girl I was freinds with came from a very rich family, whi sent her to public school (which in the UK are private institutions for posh kids) her dad paid the rent on her luxury studio and gave her £400 a month to spend in Addition to her full maintainance loan she got because she lived with her mum who technically had 0 income because she got 2 houses in the divorce and lived off alimony, and managed to get a bursary AND scholarship for women in STEM fields, got extra, women only, study sessions with the TAs got to go to a women’s only STEM job fair like the one mentioned, got a free trip to America to go GDC (and had the chance to go to another big conference, but declined) and her as well as the other 10 highest scoring women on the course got a special recruitment meeting thing for internships with recruiters from FANG.
Whereas me, the state school kid from a shitty industrial town in the North and who’s parents could barely afford the petrol to drive me to that uni, didn’t get any bursary or scholarship, didn’t get the full maintainance loan, couldn’t even go to the normal job fair because I had to work in the evenings and didn’t get any extra study help despite being autistic and dyslexic. All because I was born with a dick.
Fuck this bullshit.
There are so many better ways to combat the sex disparity in certain fields.
carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This really sounds like a failure of the organizers more than anything- first off, lumping in non-binary is a catch all that anyone will take advantage of, and second and most importantly, everyone was complaining about long lines. Long lines means lots of people. Lots of people means the even over-sold their $600-$1000 tickets.
Sounds like the event organizers were more interested in making money than helping women in tech- women would have had the same problems had it been 100% women.
LinuxSBC@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Including non-binary people was not the problem. Relevant quote:
“AnitaB.org, the nonprofit that runs the conference, said there was “an increase in participation of self-identifying males” at this year’s event. The nonprofit says it believes allyship from men is important and noted it cannot ban men from attending due to federal nondiscrimination protections in the US.”
They identified as male, not non-binary, and the event allowed men to come.
Otome-chan@kbin.social 1 year ago
So they identified as men, and the event allowed the men to come? Then I'm failing to see what the issue is?
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It also mentioned how some were lying about their identity, but I’m not sure how they figured that out
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 year ago
disposabletentacle@kbin.social 1 year ago
"Genders of nonbinary"
My friend, nonbinary is a gender. This is like asking what type of bird a chicken is.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What are the genders of non-binary?
And while you’re here, is yellow more of a blue or red?
sky@codesink.io 1 year ago
Right, like the ones with vaginas are cool and the ones with penises aren’t?
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Like, intergender is fine, but genderless is not…? or the other way around?
Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Exactly like Java vs Python vs C++