Comment on Men Overran a Job Fair for Women in Tech
ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 year agoI don’t support the actions of men in this article, but all gender roles are toxic, and there are societal expectations of men that are genuinely toxic.
Again, women have gotten the shit end of the stick for muuuuch longer. I don’t want to minimize that. But saying mens rights activists are pathetic?
60% of male suicides report no off behavior from the man before commiting suicide. This suggests it isn’t a mental illness causing the problem, but circumstances in their life cause them to kill themself because they truly see no other solution or way out for the predicament they’re in.
How come men are twice as likely to be homeless than women?
Why isn’t it socially acceptable for men to take on the “care taker roll” like a stay at home dad or a nurse?
I could go on, but I don’t want to make this a rallying cry for men in a thread about a tech conference for women. I get meninsts is like a men’s rights group that was created to troll feminists, but men’s rights and woman’s rights should both just try and be egalitarian
JoBo@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Yeah, that’s feminism, not “men’s rights”. There are non-toxic sections of the Men’s Movement which explicitly recognise that thjeir aims are feminist but they’re almost invisible because they got overrun by toxic men who only wanted to blame all their problems on women and reclaim their right to rape and exploit them.
This article is not perfect but it does make the point well:
steltek@lemm.ee 1 year ago
This list comes across as very self-serving though. It’s basically saying men’s issues are only a problem for Feminism when it can be framed as also impacting women. I read the parent poster as calling for rising above a narrow single gender view of equal rights.
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Well yes. Feminism is focused on the specific forms of inequality that women and folk perceived as women face.
However, the cause root cause of that inequality often creates issues for everyone, not just women. So feminism isn’t “at odds” with mens rights, but rather, addressing the issues that women face will improve issues for men too, because of those shared root causes.
JoBo@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Sexism is inevitably a mirror. Treating girls and women differently inevitably has an impact on boys and men.
If you can think of a legitimate demand to improve life for boys and men which is not also a feminist issue, name it.
If you’re complaining that feminists aren’t backing up Men’s Rights Activists when they call for the right to rape or enserf women, then I can’t help you.
ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 year ago
I agree with everything you posted, by why are the egalitarian ideals of feminism strictly a feminism thing and not a men’s rights / men’s movement. Or why not just label it “egalitarian”. Why does the label matter in the first place? If someone’s behavior is a demonstration they’re a hypocrite to feminist/men’s movement/egalitarian ideals, then critique the individual when it happens. Why generalize their behavior to the group as a whole?
Ragnell@kbin.social 1 year ago
Because the assholes got to "men's rights" "men's movement" en masse, and you'll spend your whole life critiquing individuals and find communities full of those individuals when you see those words.
JoBo@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Because it is structural.
JasSmith@kbin.social 1 year ago
No, that's men's rights. Feminism has done great things for women, and that's awesome. But feminism is by women, for women. It doesn't make any space for men's issues. That's why the men's rights movement exists.
NightAuthor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Did you read any of the quoted article?
JasSmith@kbin.social 1 year ago
You quoted a Jezebel article. Would you read an article I quoted from Andrew Tate? Don't insult our intelligence please.
derf82@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Amazing the way everything can be twisted to be all men’s fault.
JoBo@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Get a fucking grip.
derf82@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not the one claiming all problems are due to the patriarchy.