Inequality of outcome is proof of inequality of opportunities 99.9% of the time.
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jet@hackertalks.com 8 months agoWhat do you mean by equal footing? Equality in Outcomes, or Equality in Opportunities?
Having a job conference open to all genders sounds more equal then a conference excluding a gender identity.
I personally would love to get to the point where names, photos, genders, and social networks - are removed from all employment material and people are just judged on their ability to do a job.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 months ago
jet@hackertalks.com 8 months ago
I’m trying to understand the requirements of the parent comment.
I’m not trying to be disingenuous.
Equality means a lot of things to a lot of people. Equality of outcome, and equality of opportunities are very distinct, and nuanced, and well-defined things.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_outcome
Vs
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_opportunity
Trying to understand what equal footing means, is helpful for me to understand the parent posters position. I don’t want to be stuck in ambiguity, when I’m genuinely trying to understand people.
almar_quigley@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And what happens once people are hired? How to you deal with unequal promotion rates or raises?
Lmaydev@programming.dev 8 months ago
Women face a huge amount of bias in the tech industry. There’s nothing wrong with giving the disadvantages an advantage.
Us men are basically crying because women are getting what we’ve had the whole time.
jet@hackertalks.com 8 months ago
So your advocating for Equality in Outcomes?
Lmaydev@programming.dev 8 months ago
Disadvantages groups need help to gain equal footing first. Before we can even talk about equality.
jet@hackertalks.com 8 months ago
What does equality look like / mean to you?
cricket97@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Females have a hard time in tech, not women. anyone can be a women. but historically only females were the ones disadvantaged. Transgender women are actually over represented in tech as a proportion of population.
Lmaydev@programming.dev 8 months ago
No I don’t mean that because I’m not an incel or a transphobe.
That’s great.
cricket97@lemmy.world 8 months ago
people use the word incel pretty liberally these days. can you think of something a bit more original?
Wisely@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Lmaydev@programming.dev 8 months ago
I’ve seen it happen multiple times, especially in more corporate jobs.
I try to very specifically mention who came up with ideas even if it’s my work for this reason.
Another common one is not wanting to ask simple questions in meetings as it makes them look less intelegent. While I ask every stupid question I can think of to be sure and look like I’m invested.
My advice is talk to your manager about things like that instead of helping. I know it feels like a dick move but it’s not your job to help someone else with basic stuff.
Something along the lines of “I think John may require more training as I’m having to help him a lot with simple things. I’m happy to do it but my deadlines will need adjusting”