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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨genfood@feddit.de⁩ to ⁨programmer_humor@programming.dev⁩

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  • aleq@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Reasonable and sane behavior of cd. Just get into the habit of always using lower case names for files and directories, that’s how our forefathers did it.

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    • drolex@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, but this is the default on many distros, so for once the end user is not to blame

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      • MooseBoys@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Even worse, many components will ignore the XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR var so even if you manually change it to $HOME/downloads (lower-case) it will often break things.

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lower case directories?

      Eww

      ILikeMineInAWayICanReadThemProperly, instead of ilikemineinawayicanreadthemproperly

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      • aleq@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If a directory has multiple words in it I usually do kebab case: i-like-mine-in-a-way-i-can-read-them-properly. Both easier to read and type than pascal case.

        For more complex filenames I use a combination of kebab-case and snake_case, where the underscore separates portions of the file name and kebab-case the parts of those portions. E.g. movie-title_release-date-or-year_technical-specifications.mp4

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    • eek2121@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Do. none of you use case insensitive autocomplete? “do ” “Downloads”

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  • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’ve come from Windows and have brought dangerous expectations.

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    • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      MacOS has a case insensitive file system. It causes me untold grief

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      • sysadmin420@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Is a 40 year old it guy, wat

        Macos is case insensitive?!

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why would case sensitive path names be considered dangerous?

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      • colonial@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I don’t know about dangerous, but case-insensitive Unicode comparison is annoying, expensive and probably prone to footguns compared to a simple byte-for-byte equality check.

        (And yes, all modern filesystems support Unicode. Linux stores them as arbitrary bytes, Apple’s HFS uses… some special bullshit, and Windows uses UTF-16.)

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  • Sh1nyM3t4l4ss@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Use a shell with decent auto-completion. I have not been irritated by this in years.

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    • nogooduser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Won’t autocomplete fail if you do “cd d” and then try the autocomplete?

      Or is that what you mean by “decent” auto-completion?

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      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No, it will probably go to “Documents”, and if you hit tab again it should go to “Downloads”. (Assuming you have the normal default folders)

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      • rasensprenger@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        bash’s autocomplete fails (at least with default settings), but e.g. zsh can figure out what you mean

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      • newIdentity@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not with a decent autocomplete. It will look for a folder starting with a small d and if it doesn’t exist it looks at a folder with a large D.

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    • Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh my zsh?

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      • wviana@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No. Zsh. It’s pretty easy to have a nice auto compl. No need for omz. After knowing poweline10k I just use it and syntax highlight plugin, manually installed. There is no need to add entire omz.

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    • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I just don’t use caps when naming directories

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    • Skimmer@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What shell would you recommend? 🤔

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      • Sh1nyM3t4l4ss@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I use fish which is quite nice OOTB, although if you want a posix compliant shell, zsh with some plugins is also great.

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      • stevehobbes@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        ohmyz.sh

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      • wviana@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Zsh.

        Omg looks like people think omz is a shell.

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      • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I personally like xonsh despite the minor amount of wonkiness it has, it’s so nice to have python available directly in your shell, it takes the “i don’t care about the quality of my code i just want this shit to work with minimal effort”-ness of bash and turns it up to 13.

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  • Asswaterpirate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    cd snuts

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    • zlatko@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      did you mean smuts?

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  • SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is a feature, not a bug

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    • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Right? I rather not have a computer automatically autocorrect.

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      • shotgun_crab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah, and I think most shells will correct this case by pressing tab

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      • AffineConnection@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Also, I constantly name files in the same directory the same thing except for case. In my ~/tmp directory I have unrelated foo.c (C source) and foo.C (C++ source).

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    • MJBrune@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      All folders and files should be in lower case.

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      • bier@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Why did Linux systems go for capitals in the home folder? It’s actually kind of annoying and takes extra key presses.

        …A while later “XDG Base Directory Specification”

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      • UFODivebomb@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I like you style

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  • HatFunction@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is completely unrelated to the meme at hand, but the title just reminded me that for a while, Merriam-Webster mistakenly included the word “Dord” to mean density - because an editor misread the entry for “D or d” as an abbreviation of density.

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    • FreshLight@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is as stupid as it is funny. I love it <3

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I am regularly disappointed that the word games I play on my phone don’t accept ‘dord.’ They should, damn it! One of them accepts Jedi, ffs!

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  • MerfMerf@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    echo ‘set completion-ignore-case On’ >> ~/.inputrc

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    • PupBiru@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      also idk does zsh do this automatically? don’t think i’ve ever had this problem except on legacy AF servers

      i mean… unless you don’t tab complete, but then who doesn’t spam tab 30 times ever keystroke?

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      • MerfMerf@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Or up-arrow a bazillion time because you probably have it SOMEWHERE in the buffer, surely.

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    • UFODivebomb@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Shit yo. How come I only learn this now? Thanks!

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    • tostiman@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Awesome, thanks

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    • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How does that handle languages that have different rules for capitalization? For example I and i are not the same letter in Turkish.

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      • kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I believe that type of stuff is specified in your locale, so it’s possible that it would do the right thing if you’ve set your language to Turkish. Please try it and let us know though :)

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      • MerfMerf@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Don’t know actually, never used a language like that. But should be easy enough to undo should one test it and end up not liking how it handles it.

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  • Feyter@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t get it… “D” is a complete different character than “d” is.

    It’s like wondering why “file1” is not opened when I typed in “file2”.

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    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      that’s not how language works though, in human language (i know this can be confusing) d and D are the same letter just in different forms.

      It’s one thing to have case sensitivity in programs doing data manipulation, that makes sense because you don’t want the program to accidentally use the wrong files without supervision.

      But when you have an interactive prompt you know what you’re doing, you can see if you entered the wrong directory, and you’re generally going to be working in directories that you have yourself organized.

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      • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Doesn’t tab completion solve this if there are no alternatives with matching case? sounds like a PBKAC

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    • lemmonade@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You could also say that down should not complete to download since those are completely different strings and you shouldn’t expect one to get you the other.

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      • Feyter@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sorry, down is a substring of download I don’t get your point either?

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    • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      On Windows filenames are case insensitive at least usually, some people are used to that. But that is poor design for so many reasons, Turkish I being one of them.

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      • user224@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Now take Android. Files are case-sensitive yet you can’t create 2 files with same name if they only vary in case.

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    • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People want their computers to magically know what they want these days. :)

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      • PupBiru@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “magically know what they want” aka occasionally set you and your files on fire

        i prefer not fire

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  • CodexArcanum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I love how many people brought up the Turkish “I” as if everyone here is on the Unicode steering committee or just got jobs for Turkish facebook.

    I, an English speaker, have personally solved the problem by not having a Turkish I in the name of my Downloads directory, or any other directory that I need to cd into on my computer. I’m going to imagine the Turks solve it by painstakingly typing the correct I, or limiting their use of uppercsse I’s in general.

    In fact, researching the actual issue for more than 1 second seemingly shows that Unicode basically created this problem themselves because the two I’s are just seperate letters in Turkic languages. …wikipedia.org/…/Dotted_and_dotless_I_in_computin…

    If you nerds think this is bad try doing Powershell for any amount of time. It is entirely case-insensitive.

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    • yum13241@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why the FUCK did they make characters that look the same have different codepointers in UNICODE? They should’ve done what they did in CJK and make duplicates have the same codepointer.

      Unicode needs a redo.

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      • Tranus@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well letters don’t really have a single canonical shape. There are many acceptable ways of rendering each. While two letters might usually look the same, it is very possible that some shape could be acceptable for one but not the other. So, it makes sense to distinguish between them in binary representation. That allows the interpreting software to determine if it cares about the difference or not.

        Also, the Unicode code tables do mention which characters look (nearly) identical, so it’s definitely possible to make a program interpret something like a Greek question mark the same as a semicolon. I guess it’s just that no one has bothered, since it’s such a rare edge case.

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  • ayushnix@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    using capital letters in file/directory names on Linux :|

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    • jonne@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s a default on some distros, unfortunately.

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      • BeanCounter@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Doesn’t Ubuntu do this? I use Ubuntu inside WSL and it bugged me so fucking much

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      • ayushnix@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It would be a default on almost every distro that follows XDG specifications to have stuff like Downloads, Pictures, Videos in the $HOME folder. One of the first things I do as part of an installation is to modify ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and set a specific folder, say /data/downloads or ~/downloads, for every XDG base directory.

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  • pchem@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    $ fuck

    Comes in handy quite frequently.

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  • starman@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So you type cd D and it brings you to `Documents

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  • catlover@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    alias d=“cd ~/Downloads”

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  • newIdentity@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Use Zsh or Fish

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    • janAkali@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Or better yet, use z or zoxide:
      “z down” will fuzzy match the “~/Download” folder.

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      • words_number@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This is the way!

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      • Astaroth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Never used or heard of it before but apparently zoxide is only for cd command, do you happen to know if there’s some fuzzy match for in general?

        At the moment what I do is history foo | grep -i “bar”

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      • seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah, if that’s the only reason, changing your shell is overkill.

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  • muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Doesn’t fish basically fix this?

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    • pgp@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is not a bug, it doesn’t need to be fixed.

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      • avonarret1@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s funny that you’re getting down voted for telling the truth. Nothing to be subjective about either. 😅

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    • xoggy@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You can set bash or zsh to case-insensitive tab completion as well.

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    • Astaroth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      yeah Fish tab completion works, but one thing I’ve noticed though is that tab completion for wrong case only works if there’s no option with the correct case

      e.g. if I have Downloads and Downloads2 then d with tab completion will become Downloads, but if I have Downloads and downloads2 it will tab complete to downloads2

       

      I’ve been meaning to look through the Fish documentation to see if I can change that and fuzzy search for history but never got around to it

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    • d_k_bo@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      github.com/ajeetdsouza/zoxide too

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  • Damage@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Use zsh and press tab

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    • BeanCounter@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      zsh is so much nicer to work with

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    • mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This. Except don’t use zsh because this is default in every single shell

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  • onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Image

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  • ram@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are two Linux paradigms that I consider stupid. One is the use of centralized software repositories managed by the distro instead of individual developer maintained installers. The other one is file system case sensibility. They already admitted defeat on the first one with the rise of containerised applications. I wonder how much longer they’ll keep the charade on the second one.

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  • willya@lemmyf.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You know you prefer the D

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  • krey@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you want to keep case sensitive completion, you can symlink it. It’s your home dir. Make yourself comfortable.

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  • genfood@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I seems that I have triggered something, but keep that going, it’s quality content generation. 😬

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  • xnasero@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Op does not know about $CDPATH keke

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  • WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    OMZ and TAB gang raise up!

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  • darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    i renamed my home folders to dl, docs, pics, etc. and use auto-cd (whatever its called) to just type dl instead of cd dl

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  • Kanda@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just make a downloads folder if you absolutely want to go there

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  • steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Here’s how to fix this[+]

    Create $HOME/.config/user-dirs.dirs with

    XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR=“$HOME/downloads”

    You may need to logout/in for things to reread this file.

    The full list of keys is:

    • XDG_DESKTOP_DIR
    • XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR
    • XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR
    • XDG_PUBLICSHARE_DIR
    • XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR
    • XDG_MUSIC_DIR
    • XDG_PICTURES_DIR
    • XDG_VIDEOS_DIR

    +: Since this is Linux, this is a fix for many but not all cases.

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  • TetrisIQ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You can also disable case sensivity in bash

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  • Luvon@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    cd dow *tab

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  • lfromanini@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Zoxide and cd down. ;)

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  • boyi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Don’t even have to cd. I use completion with fish/zsh. Just

    down[tab]
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