so very apple to punish it’s own users because they have too many old components they need to use up, but if you’re paying for PRO you get actual 2023 modern USB.
so very, very apple.
Apple 15 relegated to USB 2.0 unless you buy the Pro
Submitted 1 year ago by casualhippo@sh.itjust.works to technology@lemmy.world
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vivadanang@lemm.ee 1 year ago
ultratiem@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Bro what modern it’s USB 3.0 lmao
briongloid@aussie.zone 1 year ago
USB 3.0 is already 15 years old.
vivadanang@lemm.ee 1 year ago
the adaptor is usb3, the controller interface limits you to usb 2.0 speed. what part of the article was hard to comprehend?
doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
One last little ‘f you for making us do this’
Whatever, still better than lightning.
vivadanang@lemm.ee 1 year ago
they don’t care because apple punishes the poors at every opportunity anyway. soldered on ram & ssd’s on their laptops for fucks sake
AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Apple’s not the only one with soldered on components.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 year ago
It’s funny (or sad I guess) that the current generation of laptops are back on mag chargers (I forget what they’re called) instead of USB C. There was never a time when both iPhones and MacBooks used USB C charging.
uint8_t@feddit.de 1 year ago
you can use either the magsafe or USB-C PD, both works
jj4211@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t have one, but I thought the user could either do magsafe or a usb-c to a laptop, either way will charge.
PotatoOnceCame@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
Haven’t used that charger since day 1 of receiving my work MBP M1. I just plug it into a Thunderbolt dock that supports usb-pd
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Lately the base model is usually last year’s old pro processors and micro controllers. Next year the base 16 will probably have the faster IO if the trend continues.
irish_link@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Completely agree. No company redesigns all of their products each year. They redesign the top tier and then its shifts downward the next year. GPU, CPU, Motherboard, hell even cars do this. Not all models included Carplay and Android Auto when it launched, just the high end cars did, but now all of them do.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
USB IO speed aside, Apple’s phones have gotten to the point where 3 and 4 year old chipsets are still VERY performant. They now have the wiggle room to put more bleeding edge silicon in top tier phones, be ok with smaller yields at first, and scale fabrication over the year.
That all being said, given that everyone was going to been eyeing this USB port, they probably should’ve taken one on the chin and changed the stupid IO speed. Although, the people complaining about this probably aren’t Apple’s core market anyway. So maybe they were right.
matthewc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I suspect next year’s base will have a revised version of this year’s processor. The iPhone 15 Pro has an A17 Pro. This is the first A Series chip with a “Pro” label. I don’t expect something “Pro” to make it into the base model.
What will change between the A17 Pro and the A17? Who knows. It might include the upgraded USB controller though.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is Apple at it again, do bare minimum and charge premium. They left USB2 because it required no work, but they had to put type C because EU regulation. Since USB is backwards compatible, solution is just solder half of the connector, charge premium price and fuck you customers. And they are right, people don’t care. Instead they go defending it like “I don’t need it anyway”, “Am not a pro, I don’t need it”, etc.
PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ah, yes last year. Usb 2.0 was invented in, like what, 2001? A shitty phone cpu from 2 years ago is probably at least as powerful as the pentium 4 I had back in the day. Come the fuck on.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Just saying that I wouldn’t be surprised if they were reusing some boards or controllers with limited throughput that their manufacturing plants and fabs were already pumping out. Cook got famous for being an operational efficiency nerd that made sure Apple had very little spare parts and inventory on the books.
But yeah, iPhone physical IO speeds have been slow for a looong time. My guess is that so much of Apple’s install base is syncing over the cloud that it hasn’t been a priority.
The biggest applause at the in-person event was, no lie, for the larger cloud storage plans.
briongloid@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Even USB3 is 15 years old already.
zerbey@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The only people who need the USB 3 transfer speeds are going to be Pro users. For everyone else, it doesn’t matter.
Polar@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
What? Do you realize how insanely slow USB 2 is? Good luck transferring even a tiny ass video. I don’t think you need to be a pro user to want to transfer some media from your phone and not take all day…
BURN@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Most people using Apple devices don’t transfer media via cord anymore. The average user only uses the cloud for those things.
I’ve had an iPhone for the last 10 years and can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve needed to use a cable instead of iCloud/Dropbox/other file share service.
cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
This stuff transfers over WiFi quickly. I don’t think 99.9% of iPhone owners have even plugged a phone into a computer in the last 10 years.
I’ll go and shoot 30gb of photos and within a half hour of uploading them they’re synced to iCloud.
doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Apple has been pushing users away from transferring data over cable for years anyway. Most users will sync files over wifi.
Annoying, as that should be the users choice, but I doubt the average iPhone user will even notice. Iirc the lightning connector was also limited to USB 2.0 speeds and only some particular power users ever complained about that.
HidingCat@kbin.social 1 year ago
It's not that slow, how'd you think I transferred stuff off a CompactFlash card with raw files off my DSLR before USB 3.0? I'd regularly dump several GBs worth of files out after a shoot. It'd take a few minutes but it's not the end of the world.
knotthatone@lemmy.one 1 year ago
USB 2 can transfer 1 gigabyte in about 20 seconds
irish_link@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I love how these articles happen and are posted and everyone flames at apple.
This isn’t that different than the Galaxy note 20 not having ultra wide band but the Ultra version does.
All companies do this, otherwise why have different tiers or different models.
Don’t get me wrong, I am thrilled they are finally using USB-C. I enjoyed the lightning when if first came out. The only cord at the time you could plug in and there was no up or down, it just want in no matter what orientation. Apple just wanted to charge everyone to use it and they screwed up with that. Now there is a full standard for every device, this is good.
Apple fan boys and Android fan boys need to chill out. It’s just a phone, not an allegiance.
Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I didn’t know what ultra wide band was because i never heard of it and…wow! Are you seriously comparing a very high tech stuff that only started to being added to high-end smartphones since 2019 (i still don’t know what it’s for) to apple forcefully crippling the speed of usb to what it was more than 10 years ago ? That’s whack ! I can’t even start to understand your thoughts process. Other famous company did something that can be considered similar if you tilt your head hard enough ( to stop blood from flowing to the brain that is ) so see the company i love isn’t fucking me sideways like y’all are saying. WTF ?
irish_link@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It seems to be that you are misunderstanding the entire tech concept. There is no “downgrading” the A16 chip from last year’s pro model is the USB controller. They simply aren’t upgrading that chip.
The comparison was not about a cable vs wifi. It was about the chip on the device as that is the crux of the situation.
No need to be rude or insulting with the blood flowing to the brain comment. Again this seems to be fan boy attitude to shit on “the other side” and be insulting to win the argument. I have no stake in this other than pointing out that people are freaking out and getting upset because they didn’t redesign the phone and architecture for $X to increase the speed of something almost no IOS user even uses.
An honest question, do you actually use your cord the transfer data from your phone or tablet? Personally I never use the cord on my Galaxy Tab, It easier to use Wi-Fi and a shared folder on my NAS.
Polar@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I don’t think it’s fair to compare UWB and USB 2.
One is already an old ass standard. I don’t even know what devices aren’t USB 3 anymore. You actively have to go out of your way to be a dick and downgrade your phone to USB 2.0
Not to mention the price difference is literally negligible.
Apple is just being assholes here. They already downgrade the non pro by removing cameras and whatnot. Touching the USB speed is a special kind of fuck you.
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They didn’t downgrade anything…
iPhones have the USB controller as part of the SoC. Not a separate controller like the iPads or laptops. They don’t have the space for it.
The non pro this year is using last years pro chip which didn’t have a USB 3 controller on it. For the non pro they are repinning the port to USB c to repurpose the controller on the chip. But they physically cant add USB 3 to it.
They also never removed cameras from the non pro model either. Idk where you pulled that from. The XS and XS Max both only had two cameras, and when they went to the iPhone/iPhone Pro model with the 11, the non pro still had two and they added a third for the pro.
coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The processor in de iPhone 15 doesn’t support 3.0 speeds. The one in de pro (different proc) does. The cable of the pro doesn’t support 3.0 speeds. But neither do the cables that come with other brand phones.
Companies are dicks. Or something…
Craftkorb@feddit.de 1 year ago
At apple scale I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that giving everyone the USB 3 chip would reduce overall cost, or that apple is doing the crippling in software or firmware.
irish_link@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I agree the comparison between the two in terms of use is not correct or fair even. It was more of a comparison of the chips being included on the phone. I clearly did not do a good job explaining that. I assumed most people would have understood that the A17 pro chip is what is the upgrade and is the controller for the USB vs the A16 that is last years model.
In a computer the price may be negligible but in a phone is the entire architecture of the chip so its not negligible. I don’t think they are being assholes as much as not spending shit tons of money to redesign and manufacture new processors for the phone when they have old stock that can be used.
Its a similar model that a lot of companies do, take last years best chip and put it in this years second tier device. I am not saying its great for consumers I am just saying its what is done. Not upgrading a chip is not the same as downgrading it.
Takumidesh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
USB 3 actually has flaws that make some devices functionally useless with USB 3 devices around.
USB 3 notoriously emits noise in the 2.4ghz radio spectrum, requiring extra precautions and development cost in order to reduce the effect.
This is often why 2.4ghz mouse and keyboards specifically require USB 2.0 connections.
I’m not saying that’s why Apple did it, but it isn’t a solved problem in the latest and USB isn’t just a no-thought upgrade.
Virkkunen@kbin.social 1 year ago
This isn’t that different than the Galaxy note 20 not having ultra wide band but the Ultra version does.
Are we considering that UWB is as prominent as USB and you'll be using it almost daily with a multitude of devices?
irish_link@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No, that’s a fair point. The Ultra Wide Band is not the same in terms of use and known like USB is. My comparison was meant to be of the chips on the phone. People are arguing that apple is “downgrading” to USB 2.0 but in reality they just aren’t upgrading the A16 chip that is the USB controller. This is similar to the Galaxy Note 20 not having the upgraded chip like the Galaxy Note 20 Ultra. There may be other comparisons that would be more accurate but I remembered this one specifically when I was looking to upgrade Galaxy.
lando55@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I get the point you’re trying to make, and while it’s not a 1:1 correlation, some of the responses you’re getting indicate that non-Apple users can be just as fervent in their views as what would be called “fanboys”.
I would like to think there is some middle ground here, with Apple having to modify their production timelines to comply with EU mandates, but still keeping in line with past hardware releases. That is to say - yes it sucks that non-Pro models will not have all the latest features, but this is pretty much consistent with the past few production releases.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
UWB is 2019 technology which has a very very limited use and even more limited range. USB 2.0 predates iPhones by 4 years and USB3.0 is at this point 15 years old. You’ve been sold polished turd at premium prices and everyone is now stuck with their mouths full defending the move when it reality it’s last years pro hardware shoved into this year’s “new” device with USB type C hacked in to avoid EU ban.
This has nothing to do with when people last transferred files from their devices or what you like or what you think everyone else will need. This is the case of Apple selling you wheelbarrow at the price of a car and people saying it goes fast downhill and they never wanted to go uphill anyway.
ZAX2717@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Exactly I can’t remember the last time I transferred anything to my phone via a cable. Just nice to have one cord for charging.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Good thing you represent everyone in this case then.
CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My Nothing Phone 1 is USB 2.0
NumerousGeorg@geddit.social 1 year ago
Welcome to the Android world where even top smartphones worth 300-400 $ only support USB 2.0
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
My phone is 6 years old at this point, was only $350, and uses USB-C.
muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 1 year ago
USB-C is a connector and, by itself, says nothing about the protocol in use. That’s the important part.
CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My Nothing Phone 1 is USB 2.0. I’ve never used it to transfer data
pedro@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I don’t use data on the USB port very often and when I do it’s always to make an access point over USB so the USB2.0 bandwidth is enough for my use.
I wonder if people really have a use for USB3.
Apart from making phone more expensive, I don’t see a real need for me
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Argument can be made if your camera doesn’t support 4k or 60fps, there’s very little need for higher speeds than USB2.0 since files generated won’t be as big. However if you keep using your phone as a camera to record long videos, then yes it’s annoying to have slower interface.
vitriolix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
it’s not universally true, there are plenty of cheap and expensive models with USB 3
InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It does feel kind of spiteful. But honestly, it is surprisingly difficult to find USB 3 USB-C cables anyway. Most of them are USB 2 unless you spring for Thunderbolt cables.
ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No they’re not? At least when I check amazon or any other online retailer, USB-C cables are almost always USB 3.0 or higher. Only the ultra cheap ones are not.
InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We’re talking USB-C to USB-C right?
Do you have links for some of the ones you looked at? Because I checked a few Anker and Apple cables and they were all USB 2.0.
It does seem to be easier to get USB 3 Type A to type C cables, but not C to C.
hackitfast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s nothing more spiteful than not buying either of them
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 year ago
I swear I have a USB C cable that charges faster oriented one way. I haven’t really proved it or anything but it really does feel like it. Maybe I’m crazy. Is it possible? It’s “normal” USB on the other side.
NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You aren’t crazy, but barring any defects or damage this shouldn’t be happening
thorbot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
More clickbait bs. Oh right, Apple bad!
sanpo@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Where’s the clickbait? Apple is bad for using an outdated standard out of spite.
Nilz@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
The fact that the Pro (or any device) supports a newer USB protocol doesn’t necessarily mean that it will be able to take advantage of the full speed. It might just be as slow as the non Pro with USB 2.0.
kirklennon@kbin.social 1 year ago
iPhone 15 Pro tech specs page: “USB 3 (up to 10Gb/s)” with a footnote that says “USB 3 cable with 10Gb/s speed required.”
A regular need for high-speed data transfers are legitimately a pro use case. You need the Pro model and you need to buy a thick, stiff high-speed cable.
NightAuthor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The pro can stream a 4k60 ProRes video to an external drive via the usbc port. Idk what kind of bandwidth that uses. But should give some clue as to the actual speed capable with the port.
Also, onboard storage is limited to 4k30 ProRes, possibly indicating the speed of built in storage.
p000l@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
A $5 Pen drive transfers data faster. Some day, Apple will be able to figure how to do this in a multi hundred dollar phone. Need more MBAs.
TheLordHumungus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Like gambling, buying Apple products is a stupid tax
SeaOtter@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I’d wager that owning an Apple phone is cheaper than a Samsung Galaxy or likely any premium Android for instance.
An iPhone is typically getting 6 years of iOS versions, plus an additional 1-2 years of security updates. For instance, the iPhone X, announced in Fall 2017 was on latest iOS until iOS 17 comes in this month. iPhone 6S, released in Sep 2015, is still getting security updates.
If you are someone who runs their phone into the ground until the end of security updates, iPhone wins hands down. If you are someone who wants the latest and greatest, iPhone hold resale value like no other and its not even close.
phillaholic@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It feels really stupid having the industries longest support length and highest resell value.
egeres@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Really apple? And they did all that mother nature bullshit with octavia spencer while it was europe who forced them to use a universal connector and stop polluting the world with useless pathetic cables
audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Oh good, the weekly “Apple is the worst company in the world” post.
Virkkunen@kbin.social 1 year ago
Apple makes sure there's no shortage of reasons why we have these weekly posts
Shurimal@kbin.social 1 year ago
Frankly, who even uses the USB port on their phone for data transfers unless it's an emergency? I just stream media from my NAS using Navidrome and Jellyfin, use Syncthing to back up my photos and sync files I need, and mount the SMB shares I need to access. The eMMC and SD cards are slower than USB 3 speeds, anyway. Most SD cards don't even max out USB 2.
The only sensible real life use case for USB 3 for phones would be external monitors.
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why would any average person use a usb cable for data transfer when they can just use this specialist equipment that takes more know-how than the average user has to not only spec but build and configure too. Something that most people have never even heard of. People that in most cases barely know how to use their phones or a computer.
Search me… i cant think of any reason whatsoever for that.
People must be crazy.
DestroyerOfWorlds@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Apple:
We had two children. Conner (yay! so handsome!!😍) and…erm, ugh…Billy. We don’t play favorites! Conner gets driven to private school, plays lacrosse, and has a tutor. Billy takes the bus to public school across town, has a sack lunch, and we broke his legs when he learned to walk because he was smaller than Conner.
Illuminostro@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Apple gonna Apple.
Kjatten@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are they really this spiteful? Wow
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So, how do you sell this to a regular user? We’re probably getting new phones in this round and I want the Pro but still trying to sell that choice. My kid’s Mom has never used the data connector so how can I sell her on that as one of the features she wants?
Note on our weird situation but we have two teens and our pattern is to buy new, and give our 2-4 year old phones to the kids. For this to work, we really need to have identical phone models
brunofin@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I know it sounds awful but on the other hand Linus explains why it’s like that in this video youtu.be/7KuLMe6KSVQ?si=DAdNH3JlZ4HShIYZ
Not trying to justify it, just it’s good to know why.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
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suckmyspez@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Relegated? The iPhone has always had USB 2.0 speeds…
Player2@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
That has been trash for pretty much a decade at this point
hansl@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I can’t remember the last time I plugged my phone to transfer data.
PotatoOnceCame@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
2 decades. Their previous proprietary monster was just as bad.