Too late assholes… I’m already deleting most of the posts I made on my discord and I will be migrating elsewhere soon.
I left as soon as I saw something asking for age verification in the client.
Discord walks back age verification fears for most users
Submitted 11 hours ago by ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.techbuzz.ai/articles/discord-walks-back-age-verification-fears-for-most-users
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Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 32 minutes ago
Novis@lemdro.id 10 hours ago
People need to realize that this isn’t JUST a Discord issue. This is a policy issue AS WELL. Fucking pay attention to the politics around you. And this isn’t just a United States issue as well.
tyler@programming.dev 10 hours ago
I’m just going to repeat myself for the hundredth time here. This is exactly what happens when you define words in such broad terms. Social media does not include things like discord. It doesn’t include Reddit, it doesn’t include Lemmy. But because so many damn people just refer to any site that they can talk with other people on as social media, it became enshrined in law and now literally every service you touch is legally defined as social media.
This is not hyperbole; with the current definitions across numerous countries, Amazon (the place where you buy things, not other services like games) is legally defined as social media.
Words mean things and when words are hijacked for other purposes it allows governments to strip away your rights without you realizing.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
I define my dick to be broad. I declared it, and thus have manifested it into reality.
ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
Okay, I’m gonna ask: why is reddit not social media?
Novis@lemdro.id 5 hours ago
So I kinda walked away from this to think about what’s being said a bit and I just kinda have to disagree? Like, being clear and concise and accurate in defining something is hella important… to the people that care about those things. The thing we see though isn’t lacking definitions, especially in a legal sense, but people not pushing back enough whenever bad actors start bringing up terrible arguments. There are people out there that you can bring up the best, most logical points in the world and they will still twist and twist and twist until your original point is lost. We can make the most robust, perfect definitions and some people will STILL either find ways around it or completely ignore what was rationally established. The definition doesn’t matter, the problem is fascists want to monitor the world and make whoever they want disappear and people kinda just let it happen.
And to be clear, I’m trying to say you’re completely wrong. Defining things is important to establish a shared common framework of understanding and policy making and regulations are SO SO SO IMPORTANT cause they save lives in more than just one way, but problem isn’t clear cut to be solved with “we need to define things better.” We have a culture issue. Culture issues need more than one approach to resolve.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I vote for this guy for president.
I grew up with certain words meaning certain things. Then I get older, and suddenly, those words are gone, new words exist, old words mean new things, medical terms are now no longer medical terms and just purely an insult derived from a definition that didn’t used to define the root word. Pluto isn’t a planet. Instead of 9 planets, there are now an unknown number at least in the thousands. There’s like 4 other Earths.
Language shouldn’t change over time. It can adapt, but I should know that grass is green. Not grass is plubertatude. A word I just made up for the demonstration of absurdity. Nothing wrong with grass being green.
DomeGuy@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Words don’t have meanings. Meanings have words.
Amazon the internet megastore allows non-employees of Amazon to add content to their store. Both as supposed vendors offering goods for services and as customers giving reviews and ratings to such store listings. And Amazon chooses what listings to show to users through opaque algorithms.
Can you give an example of the sort of regulation a social media site should need to follow which Amazon should be exempt from? Or the sort of rule that should bind reddit and Facebook but not Amazon?
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Chat control was one of the most notable signs that this is an issue around the world with it still popping up over and over in the EU. This is a global fight.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Too late, already uninstalled like a week ago.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
This is misleading. Discord is not reversing course. It was in their original announcement that they would try to automatically determine everyone’s age and “most” people won’t need to do any sort of verification.
echodot@feddit.uk 17 minutes ago
What you mean there clear and comprehensive announcement? Yeah that didn’t happen, this is on them.
They still haven’t really provided any information. They say most users won’t have to verify, how many is “most”.
hobovision@mander.xyz 9 hours ago
Yes, they aren’t changing course, but Discord certainly did not say “most” in the announcement and it was a single sentence in a long article about age verification and content gating. They should have been far more upfront about their inference method being the primary one in the first place. This was a communication issue and not a reader issue.
It’s also possible they decided to tune their inference model to be a lot more, let’s say, permissive so that there isn’t a huge backlash of people getting asked to provide ID when they’ve been using the service for nearly a decade or longer.
TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Yep. Too late, i fucking deleted that shit without hesitation or regret.
thesmokingman@programming.dev 7 hours ago
If Discord cared about this, they’d use the same identity platforms governments use. For example, in the US, id.me is a requirement for many federal services. While it does deanonymize me and there are privacy concerns expanding this tech beyond government services, I trust id.me to take my data security seriously. It has to have federal security requirements. If their data is breached, there will be repercussions and reparations.
Discord, on the other hand, uses random vendors. There were no repercussions or reparations for the previous leak. Discord said moving forward they’d require SOC2 Type II or ISO 27001 for vendors. Crucially, neither of these certifications matter a fucking iota for personally identifiable information and Discord itself will not be completely them so even if the vendors were PII secure Discord will not hold itself to the same standards. Discord does not care about its users; Discord only cares about the ad revenue this will open up.
echodot@feddit.uk 37 minutes ago
Nope I don’t trust them to use a US-based service. Also I don’t think they’re even allowed to as under EU law as all data held on users must be held on EU servers, so that solution wouldn’t be a one size fits all.
DireTech@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
I don’t even trust Id.me. If the government needs to securely identify someone they should be setting it up themselves instead of us trusting some random company that used to provide coupons to soldiers.
Soggy@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
What, and lose an opportunity to funnel tax money to private interests?
thesmokingman@programming.dev 4 hours ago
Yeah that’s a totally fair response. Lithuania did it.
dan1101@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I don’t even trust id.me. Why would I give my ID and photo or video to a corporation that is contracting with the Trump administration?
thesmokingman@programming.dev 5 hours ago
I thought the requirements came from the Biden admin but I’m not able to find evidence of this.
What you’re describing is the prisoner’s dilemma. In theory, none of us should interact with the current admin because if that happened they’d shut down. Of course if we did that, many federal employees and all of the contractors wouldn’t be able to feed their kids in a week or so, so it only works if we can guarantee a universal strike without scabs. But wait, we know people are actively joining ICE, so everyone with half a brain dropping government work doesn’t guarantee those without a brain won’t scab. If we have scabs, then future admin is left with a poisoned well and that existing possibly okay workforce is now on the breadline with an admin that’s not only hostile to breadlines but anyone who fights back. Don’t forget costs are currently skyrocketing for everything and electricity is about to be through the roof everywhere. In other words, many people have the choice of morals or food for their kids. Or healthcare if that resonates more.
Assuming you’re in the US, will you file your taxes this year? Since you’re not willing to give anyone contracting with the Trump asking your personal information, you’ll have to do them by hand. Even a CPA is technically doing work for the IRS who is part of the Trump admin even if he’s suing them. Are you allowing your employer to keep social security and Medicare taxes? If so, I think you might have discovered a reason why a rational person who is just trying to get by might intentionally support the Trump admin. If not, by god, you have stronger morals than I do and good luck with that jail sentence. Unfortunately, some of us have to participate in society even though we want to improve it.
BorgDrone@feddit.nl 4 hours ago
If they cared about handling of PII they should require ISO 27701
thesmokingman@programming.dev 4 hours ago
Oh absolutely. More importantly Discord needs to also follow the standard, not just require it of their vendors. Granted this source is the only place I can find they’re requiring that so that might not actually be true. It kinda reads like an AI summary.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 5 hours ago
Federate or die.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 hours ago
Piggybacking off this:
XMPP and Deltachat are two excellent decentralized, self-hostable, federated communication platforms. Deltachat is limited more to text (though it can send videos or audio files that can be played in the app like snapchat), but with XMPP, we could use Movim, which can do group video calls, screen sharing, differing permissions in groups, and even user blogs!
ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 8 minutes ago
And I believe the devs are working on adding discord-like channels with multiple groups under a single community.
If you have a link to a discussion or issue where they’re tracking this, I’d love to follow it.
They’ll also need to figure out how to let rooms have more than 1000 people, which is currently the limit on Movim (and it might be an XMPP limitation). Right now, Matrix seems like the only option for a Discord migration, but I hope that changes soon.
I might move my Discord community to Matrix, but I’d want a full 100% clone of the server’s history. Seems like that’s almost possible? Discord scrapers can dump a whole channel to JSON, and the Mautrix Discord bridge already make it look like real users sent bridged messages. I think with a little customization, the Mautrix bridge could be modified to import an enormous JSON file to fully mirror an entire Discord server, instead of just grabbing messages in real time.
I really hope someone works on that soon 🙏
KiwiTB@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
They didn’t walk back shit, they upped the stakes by saying they use your chats to analyse your age. That’s just as bad.
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 9 hours ago
They were already doing that.
Every advertising company already monitors you whenever possible to determine things like your age to target ads as effectively as possible. If a isn’t relying on a third party for advertising like Google AdSense, and they’re handling it internally, they definitely know that info.
KiwiTB@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I assumed they were already doing that, after all the IPO is coming do they will be doing all they can to make money and avoid risk. Admitting it however shows they are desperate.
Creegz@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
To think they weren’t already doing that is naive. They hold a lot of liability hosting the amount of data they do, and that’s without the obvious gain they’d have selling data.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
If I used discord, they would assume I’m 7 years old.
goes back to sitting on the living room floor, and watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles while eating cereal with gummy bears added in
Jokes on you, discord! I’m 42!
otp@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
They definitely know you’re 42. Kids these days don’t have the attention span for longer, plot-heavy cartoons like TMNT.
XLE@piefed.social 6 hours ago
I think the article title is technically correct. They walked back the fears that users had. You’re right that they haven’t changed their policy, and they’ve exposed themselves as being extra creepy to someone like us, but we aren’t the majority of Discord users.
I imagine the average Discord user, if they were even aware of this change at all, is breathing a sigh of relief right now, until these changes (or changes like them) actually affect those people
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 9 hours ago
That’s why I am deleting my shit and going to delete my account.
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
So they’re going to scan everything you do with AI to figure out how old you are instead. Not really better.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
they have already done this for at least the last year or so easily. I noticed it when I requested by data package last yea, theres a clear area on it that infers both your gender and your age in it.
They are just acting like this is a “new system” but in reality its a system that have had for awhile now, just didn’t have any public facing usage of it.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 10 hours ago
Not to mention, even if it proves satisfactory to the existing userbase, any new users will start with no history to draw inferences from, wouldn’t that tend to imply that any existing users unaffected are essentially “grandfathered in”, but with the same privacy concerns for everyone else in the long run?
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 9 hours ago
They already do this for advertising. And it is extremely accurate.
plz1@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Deleting posts is just setting visibility to 0. They still exist, and you should assume they exist forever.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 10 hours ago
“For most users” the whole point here is to gradually get people used to having to show their papers to access the internet. We must accept nothing less than a total reversal here. Give them an inch each day and eventually they’ll have their mile.
zewm@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Sorry but I’m not clicking a link ending in .ai
I’ll wait for another source.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
What do you have against the British overseas territory of Anguilla? Ultra-specific geographical prejudice.
nullroot@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Oh look, so they’re saying they’re already training ai on all the data they have on us? Yeah I feel my privacy being so respected.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Yeah, so, “most users” won’t have to post video selfies or their ID, but you’ll still have to accept active spyware feeding information to an AI model that checks all your activity.
This is still equally as bad.
serpineslair@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
- They’re instead scanning your data using AI… Not exactly an improvement.
- Shitty AI article.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 hours ago
- They were ALREADY scanning your data using AI… And banning people for simply discussing certain topics.
- How do people even notice these things? I honestly couldn’t tell.
Anyways, I’m trying to get people in specific vulnerable communities to switch to matrix. But the amount of people refusing to do so out of convenience (and even refusing to setup MFA or using different passwords for their online accounts, including discord) is staggering.
serpineslair@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I get your point. But unfortunately the sad truth is, even IF we can convince techie nerds to switch, do you really believe we could convince the vast majority of the ignorant public? The answer is no. And even as a techie who works with computers on a daily basis, I have my reservations about Matrix. It is a slow, buggy, hot mess for the most part, and it’s even more inconvenient when it comes to voice/video chat.
What I’m learning from this is that there is NO FEASIBLE alternative to Discord, let alone one the general public would be willing to switch to. I’ve now got the task of converting my friends to Signal as a temporary half-measure before we have a reliable alternative, but things aren’t looking good.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 hours ago
Who wants to guess if it unfairly targets minorities and LGBTQ+ users?
YewEyeOwe31@lemmings.world 8 hours ago
“Platform will use AI-powered age prediction based on existing user data instead of universal biometric verification”
So is this supposed to make us feel better?
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 8 hours ago
That is even creepier and more stupid. This is why I am deleting my shit and going to move onto a different platform.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Yep to late deleted all my servers and Discord yesterday so no going back.
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Keep looking for alternatives.
rogsson@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Too late. The dust has already settled.
echodot@feddit.uk 42 minutes ago
Does this call even have an community relations department because they suck. Seriously what does stupid decision to just announce agey verification and then provide no additional details or context.
This
clarificationpathetic attempt at backpedalling, isn’t much better either, they’ve still provided essentially no information on exactly what the process is going to be, and exactly how it is going to work. I also do not like the fact that they’re basically just giving up on any attempts to implement this themselves, and are going with third party solutions. We all know that “third party solutions” means the lowest bidder, so this will be implemented poorly with no operational security, and absolutely will result in a data breach.I created my account at least 15 years ago so if they require age verification from me they’re idiots.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 minutes ago
Lmaoooo
Have you SEEN their UI? You know how over the past ten years we’ve been like “aaaaanny day now they’ll fix it so it isn’t awful…” And they didn’t. And instead, we just sorta… got used to it?
Pffft… like they listen to anything anybody else says. Community relations dept. Ha!