Epstein Files: X Users Are Asking Grok to 'Unblur' Photos of Children

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• pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  unblur the face with 1000% accuracy

  They have no idea how this models work :D

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  • pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Image

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    • cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      biblically accurate cw casting

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    • TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Barrett O’Brien

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  • annoyed_onion@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Though it is 2026. Who’s to say Elon didn’t feed the unredacted files into grok while out of his face on ket 🙃

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  • otter@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It feels like being back on the playground

    “nuh uh, my laser is 1000% more powerful”

    “oh yea, mine is googleplex percent more powerful”

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    • albbi@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wait, what? My son has been using “googleplex” when he wants a really big number. I thought it was a weird word he made up. I guess it’s a thing….

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  • red_tomato@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Enhance!

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    • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Uncrop!

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  • criss_cross@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s the same energy as “don’t hallucinate and just say if you don’t know the answer”

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    • pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      and don’t forget “make no mistakes” :D

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  • Armand1@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or percentages

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• ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Are these people fucking stupid? AI can’t remove something hardcoded to the image. The only way for it to “remove” it is by placing a different image over it, but since it has no idea what’s underneath, it would literally just be making up a new image that has nothing to do with the content of the original. Jfc, people are morons.

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  • usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The black boxes would be impossible, but there are some types of blur that keep enough of the original data they can be undone. There was a pedofile that used a swirl to cover his face in pictures and investigators were able to unswirl the images and identify him.

    With how the rest of it has gone it wouldn’t surprise me if someone was incompetent enough to use a reversible one, although I have doubts Grok would do it properly.

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    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Several years ago, authorities were searching the world for a guy who had been going around the world, molesting children, photographing them, and distributing them on the Internet. He was often in the photos, but he had chosen to use some sort of swirl blur on his face to hide it. The authorities just “unswirled” it, and there was his face, in all those photos of abused children.

      They caught him soon after.

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    • Barracuda@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A swirl is a distortion that is non-destructive. Am anonymity blur averages out pixels over a wide area in a repetitive manner, which destroys information. Would it be possible to reverse? Maybe a little bit. Maybe one pixel out of every %, but there wouldn’t be any way to prove the accuracy of that pixel and there would be massive gaps in information.

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    • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, but this type of machine learning and diffusion models used in image genAI are almost completely disjoint

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    • priapus@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is true that some blurs could be undone, but the ones used in the files are definitely destructive and cannot be undone. Grok and any other image generation tool is also definitely not capable of doing it. It requires specific algorithms and knowledge of how it was blurred to begin with, models simply guess what it should look like.

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  • mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They think that the AI is smart enough to deduce from the pixels around it what the original face must have looked like, even though there’s actually no reason why there should be a strict causal relationship between those things.

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  • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There was someone who reported that due to the incompetence of whitehouse staffers, some of the Epstein files had simply been “redacted” in ms word by highlighted the text black, so people were actually able to remove the reactions by turning the pdf back into word and removing the black highlighting to reveal the text.

    Who knows if some of the photos might be the same issue.

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    • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s, not how images like png or jpgs work.

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    • unmagical@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It was simpler than that. You can just copy the black highlighter text and paste it anywhere.

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  • PostaL@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hey! Cut it out! If those people could read, they’d be very upset!

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  • pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Actually, there is a short video on that page that explains this with examples

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    • ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Video ≠ article

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• Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How do these AI models generate nude imagery of children without having been trained with data containing illegal images of nude children?

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  • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The datasets they are trained on do in fact include CSAM. These datasets are so huge that it easily slips through the cracks. It’s usually removed whenever it’s found, but I don’t know how this actually affects the AI models that have already been trained on that data — to my knowledge, it’s not possible to selectively “untrain” models, and they would need to be retrained from scratch. Plus I occasionally see it crop up in the news about how new CSAM keeps being found in the training data.

    It’s one of the many, many problems with generative AI

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  • RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can’t ask them to sort that out. Are you anti-ai? That’s a crime! /s

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  • calcopiritus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Tbf it’s not needed. If it can draw children and it can draw nude adults, it can draw nude children.

    Just like it doesn’t need to have trained on purple geese to draw one. It just needs to know how to draw purple things and how to draw geese.

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    • WraithGear@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      that’s not true, a child and an adult are not the same. and ai can not do such things without the training data. it’s the full wine glass problem. and the only reason THAT example was fixed is because they literally trained it for that specific thing.

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    • slampisko@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s not exactly true. I don’t know about today, but I remember about a year ago reading an article about an image generation model not being able, with many attempts, to generate a wine glass full to the brim, because all the wine glasses the model was trained on were half-filled.

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    • Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think so. Speaking as a parent.

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  • Senal@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Easy answer is , they don’t

    Though that’s just the one admitting to it.

    A lightly more nuanced answer is , it probably depends, there’s likely to be some inference made between age ranges but my guess is that it’d be sub-par given that it sometimes struggles with reproducing images it has a tonne of actual data for.

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• Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein

  I’m so done with all the whitewashing. “Sex offender” sounds like I behaved wrong in consensual sex. What this prick was is a pedophile. A child rapist. A kodabuser and -rapist. But surely no.“late financier” or whatever else media chose over the facts.

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  • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also a slaver and child abductor.

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    • SaraTonin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And, it seems, murderer

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    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh right, my bad 😐

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• Willoughby@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Won’t work and if it does work, the resulting image has little to nothing to do with the original.

  Source: I opened a badly taken .raw file a few thousand times and I know what focal length means, come at me.

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  • HereIAm@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do you have a good way to remember which way fast and slow f. stops go? I always have to trail and error when adjusting camera settings to go the right direction or especially listening to someone talk about aperture.

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    • Krauerking@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wider open you let in more light, and want faster shutter speed, more closed you get less light and want a longer shutter speed.

      And f stops work backwards. Think of it as percent of sensor covered. The bigger the number the more covered it is and the smaller the hole/aperture.

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  • msage@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What does focal length means?

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    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s the distance from the lens to the focal point, as in where the picture focuses on the sensor behind the lens. If you have a very long focal length like a telescope, you can see things further away but the range you can see is very small. With a short focal length you can’t see as far but you can see a much wider view. Check out this chart:

      Image

      If you get very close to something with a short focal length or far away from it with a long focal length you can get essentially the same picture of a main subject (although what you can see in the background will be different), but even then a short lens will sort of taper your subject closer to a single point and a long lens will widen it. You can see this effect easily on faces: see this gif or this gif or this picture for an example.

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• nymnympseudonym@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I doubt any of these people are accessing X over Tor. Their accounts and IPs are known.

  In a sane world, they’d be prosecuted. In MAGAMERICA, they are protected by the Spirit of Epstein

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  • clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What crime do you imagine they would be committing?

    I don’t know what they hope to gain by seeing the kid’s face, unless they think they can match it up with an Epstein family member or something (seems unlikely to be their goal).

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• LiveLM@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I am so glad I no longer interact with that dumpster fire of a social network. It’s like the Elon takeover and the monetization program brought out every weirdo in the world out of the woodwork

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• aeration1217@lemmy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sounds about right for x users

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• Etterra@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Put all these creepy bastards on a publicly viewable list.

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  • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Didn’t they already do that in their public posts or whatever? They don’t care.

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    • Etterra@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Maybe, but I never said anyone should reveal their identities and places of residence to the public. In fact consider should do that because that would be illegal.

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Of course they are. Who’s left on Twitter nowadays? Elon acolytes?

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  • pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When I realized that tweets from paid account’s always stuck at top, Really?? I immediatily stopped using it.

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• SpicyLizards@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And gruk, being trained on elons web history, doesn’t need to be asked to find, let alone unblur said images.

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• anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  People are so fucking sick.

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• Sims@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Bellingcat” paid for ‘damage-control’ ?

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• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Some liberal on BlueSky tried to use genAI to unmask ICE agents.

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• My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It almost looks like an arrow…

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• tehn00bi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So my company was involved with a lawsuit that I was asked to help review files and redact information. They used a specific software that all the files were loaded into and the software performed the redactions and saved the redacted files. It really is mind blowing the government wouldn’t use a similar process.

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  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These are the clowns that redacted the first files with MS black highlight, because DOGE cut their Adobe accounts.

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  • amsphear@chatgptjailbreak.tech ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d love the ability to hide images by default on lemmy.

    I’m glad we already have the option to block you, though.

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