Big AI has PC users furious. Nvidia and Micron's weird emotional appeals make it worse

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• Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Forget ram. Wait until there’s widespread power outages yet you’re somehow paying 10x for your electricity bill because of the new data enter down the street.

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  • thisbenzingring@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    this is actually happening

    my elecric company just raised its rates 13% and forcast rasing 25% next year after

    we have a power making dam

    historically we have had some of the cheapest power in the USA

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    • dmtalon@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Combined over 20% last November, great times!!

      Combined means we have:

      first 1k kwh rate Above 1k kwh rate

      And the above 1k kwh changes seasonally.

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    • laurelraven@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If the data center is causing all that power drain, they should be the ones footing the damned bill

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    • Virtvirt588@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The aura that the US irradiates is just preposterous. At this point the only sound you can hear is the sound of boots being licked, evil corpos are doing what they please while the general populace is disregarded.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i heard datacenter requires most of our electricity generation eventually.

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  • errer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    With gas prices at multiyear lows and electricity being so expensive it’s really hard to justify electrifying appliances. I was considering doing so (gas dryer, stove, water heater, furnace), but I think if I did I’d be paying an extra $300/month for quite a long time and that’s a hard pill to swallow.

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    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I went through this process in 2012-2016 - took out the gas dryer, gas stove and replaced them with electric. Mostly because my wife’s family has a history of asthma and the data for gas appliances and asthma is disconcerting to say the least.

      Good luck with your eventual transition!

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  • Strider@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But think of the (big tech) shareholders!

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    and anyone near datacenters get polluted water or any unforseen pollution, contamination that has yet been studied.

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• henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Computer electronics are like my main hobby. It was expensive on a good day. This makes it unaffordable.

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  • adespoton@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Switch to retrocomputing; it’s currently significantly more affordable.

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    • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not a bad idea. How do you actually partake that hobby? Is it more the same building things or the challenge of getting old hardware/software working?

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    • notthebees@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I really need to get a new display replacement for my old vaio f series laptop. The screen layers are doing the funny vinegar thing. That and some sort of ssd. Maybe a USB Dom or some msata thing with a converter board.

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  • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    IMHO there’s much hobbiness and fun to be had with creating a second or third life for “outdated” hardware. The current RAM crisis leaves me cool, on a 2014 ThinkPad. My kitchen server was a 2008 HP laptop.

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    • percent@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What does a kitchen server do?

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    • UnspecificGravity@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What’s funny is that ding this makes it kinda obvious how incremental a lot if improvements really were. Like on paper DDR5 is MUCH better than DDR3, but somehow my old gaming machine is only a little slower than a new system playing shit that I actually run.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    it would be more unaffordable once people dont have jobs from all the layoffs.

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• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  > has an AI slop summary

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  • isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah I noticed that lmao, definitely AI slop.

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    • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      AI slop with the audacity to block anyone with Privacy Badger enabled, like, “we worked hard to produce this AI slop so we deserve to make money scraping your personal data”

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• abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  These people keep saying “it’s the future” but it just seems like they’re chasing pink elephants and forcing us to partake in the delusion.

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  • hayvan@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That delusion keeps pumping up stocks.

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    • Virtvirt588@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      … Until it all goes to hell, and their delusion will finally meet its fait.

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  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The C suite and management of these companies want two things - for the stock to go as high as possible, and for them to be able to sell at the top and leave a bunch of bag holders wondering what the fuck just happened.

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• melfie@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What’s going on right now is that the TAM [ed: Total Addressable Market] and data center is growing just absolutely tremendously. And we want to make sure that, as a company, we help fulfill that TAM as well.

  Your TAM is about to go BAM, so cut the shit and make us some RAM.

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  • deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I can’t take anything that uses the word “tremendously” seriously any more.

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    • crusa187@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Bigly agreed

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    • Surp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Slammed!

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  • cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They gotta get while the getting’s good or they’ll miss out on that margin

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  • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah but your TAM (who you could possibly sell to) is the biggest concentric circle, inside that is the Servicable Addressable Market (who you could feasibly sell to) and your SOM (serviceable obtainable market, who you are actually selling to) and the consumer market is who you were actually selling to.

    It could be that these data centers never become serviceable or obtainable, and this is all just predictions with no actual product making it into a machine.

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• normalentrance@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It almost seems like they want to make home computing unaffordable, so you have to rent PC time from a cloud provider. This way they nickel and dime you, and use your data to train their LLMs.

  Micron and nvidia get their cut by being able to set whatever prices they can imagine.

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  • ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s exactly what they’re aiming for.

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  • fortino@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I hope that will prompt many more people to adopt Linux then

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• Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They(the companies) want AI to takeover so badly. They know they can control everyone if only we would embrace their slop. The idea we all have a terminal that has no storage and no computing ability that just allows us to access their slop remotely. For a forever fee of course.

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  • Analog@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Don’t forget obligatory data mining the crap out of you!

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    currently its very useful for propaganda, thats why conservatives are all in on it.

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• tal@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Summary created by Smart Answers AI

  chuckles

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• Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Lol

  “Our viewpoint is that we are trying to help consumers around the world. We’re just doing it through different channels. […] What’s going on right now is that the TAM [ed: Total Addressable Market] and data center is growing just absolutely tremendously. And we want to make sure that, as a company, we help fulfill that TAM as well.”

  Let me translate that for you:

  Yes we definitely want to support the consumers, but hey look, the thing is, these data centers want to buy a lot of memory, and guess what, they’re willing to buy it in bulk even at huge mark up! Like just think about that… We’re gonna make so much money!

  But uh, yeah uh, I feel you, that sucks bro and I appreciate you. But, dude, seriously, look at all this money! Stay strong guys, tweet about us! And don’t forget, if you want to be informed about the best memory deals, definitely sign up for our newsletter! Just put your email right in this field…

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  • TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes we definitely want to support the consumers, but hey look, the thing is, these data centers want to buy a lot of memory, and guess what, they’re willing to buy it in bulk even at a huge mark up! Like just think about that… We’re gonna make so much money!

    To be fair I would not be mad if that was the response, It’s the pandering that get’s me fuming

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    • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, some honesty would be refreshing.

      Though to be fair, when that actually happens you know what we call that? “X company just said the quiet part out loud”.

      So yeah, there’s kinda no pleasing us either…

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• Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Micron reported a revenue of $37.38 billion for fiscal year 2025. Nvidia reported a revenue of $57 billion for just its latest quarter. AI is hot.
  Meanwhile, inflation and interest rates continue to depress consumer spending power here in the U.S., which is reflected abroad as well. AI has also torched jobs—it’s fueled thousands of layoffs already.

  Torched jobs, the environment, and climate.

  Sure, in the grand scheme of things, the fevered pace of tech often has led to good outcomes in the end.

  Only when it's well-planned and well executed, with people and our habitat treated well.

  But that doesn’t change the individual impact of incomes lost, plans destroyed, security evaporated. So when a company makes a play for my agreement through emotion, I always wonder: Who benefits from this vision?

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• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Way, way back, capitalism was a version of “the customer is always right.” Various companies would compete to sell a product at the right price point and quality the customer could accept. It wasn’t perfect, but it was pointed mostly the right direction.

  Now capitalism is just the few major companies competing to see who can make the biggest cash grab and fuck the regular customer with prices, fees, and enshittification. Now we have dystopian monopolies divorced from the consumers.

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  • gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The customer is always right was never a thing.

    For a start, it’s an intentional shortening of the actual phrase, for exploitative reasons, of “the customer is always right in matters of taste”

    Which just means “if they want to buy ugly shit, let them”

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    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You are incorrect.

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    • Crozekiel@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I have been staring at the original comment trying to figure out how to basically say this, so thank you. lol. “The customer is always right” just means don’t tell the customer that green and purple polka dot curtains are fuck-ugly because it will hurt the company’s bottom line.

      I don’t think Capitalism has ever been this romanticized version, at least not in my lifetime. It has always been about how much money “they” can squeeze out of consumers, and they have been inching more and more constantly for a long time to get where we are now. The companies have always wanted to manipulate to make more money, and the only slight road blocks or steps in the right direction have come from government regulation.

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    • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The “in matters of taste” line is misinformation started in the last decade online by people who repeat things without looking up if they’re true or not.

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  • Four_mile_circus@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You could go further and say what’s happening now isn’t capitalism at all. Yanis Varoufakis calls the modern world economy “technofeudalism”: it’s controlled by information hypercompanies like Amazon, Google, and Apple, that make money not by producing anything, but by controlling the flow of information between consumers and producers, and charging producers rent for access to consumers.

    If you’re an app developer, you pay Google and Apple whatever they ask, and you follow their rules, or you don’t get to sell your product in their app stores; if you sell products, you give Amazon their cut, or you don’t get to sell in their market. And because Google and Apple and Amazon have so effectively entrapped customers, capitalists who don’t agree to their terms can’t get to their consumers at all.

    It’s vassal capitalism. Producers pay their technofeudal lords the bulk of their profits and compete with each other for the remaining scraps. And then they squeeze their workers and exploit their consumers even more in order to make enough money to survive at all.

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    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t disagree. I don’t know about strictly “techno-“, because it isn’t restricted just to the insertion of technological rent extractors every step of the way, it’s also every single business trying to maximize profits at every step along the production line, and they’re all effective monopolies that have no other way to make the line move up other than to charge for it. Almost nobody is making anything new, it’s just putting different color lipstick on a pig.

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    • demonsword@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Capitalism, when unchecked, tends to create those giant monopolies you’ve mentioned. It is capitalism at its end game, total consolidation.

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    • arararagi@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Actually, real capitalism has never been tried”

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  • minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s exactly what monopolies and oligopolies end up doing, whatever is in their interest to do. If anti-trust laws were actually used to enforce competition, we wouldn’t be here. But since we can’t compete with the campaign donations of the companies those laws should be regulating, we get no regulation at all and end up here. Selfish people, being selfish, making everything worse for everyone else.

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• deadymouse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And all these video cards are spent on the generation of pornographic content in the highest quality.

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  • NotSafeForWorld@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    highest quality.

    Man’s got jokes!

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Idk I’ve seen better in the amateur section

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In the “amateur” section with professional cameras and pretty experienced (one could say glorified) “amateurs”.

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  • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    All AI is good for is giving instructions on how to make bombs, and generating images of tits, but they caught on so now we just end up with search summaries saying it’s not physically possible to [xyz].

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  • slappyfuck@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are they really able to replicate pornography like that? I know that for normal stuff, the videos are only under ten seconds or so.

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    • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can get up to 12 minutes locally even if you’re patient. Technically you can go way further if you do it in parts though, and use multiple generations. Might take a few weeks to “direct” it right though, depending what you want to make. If it’s vanilla stuff, maybe 3 days for a 45 minute video on a 3090?

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• MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• roserose56@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I said before and I will say it again. AI is product being built by its users, an unfinished program that it is used wrong just for companies to make money. AI hasn’t made any progress and we won’t see any progress, because it is used by companies to profit.
  They don’t care about the economy and the downsides, they care to make us use AI.\

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i overheard today on the bus, that someone(assume in grad school) as a TA was planning to use AI to grade all the classes homework without care if it was inconsistently correct or not, it isnt going to end well.

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• A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  weird emotional appeals

  “I think we’ve done a lot of damage lately with very well-respected people who have painted a doomer narrative, end of the world narrative, science fiction narrative. […] It’s not helpful to people, it’s not helpful to the industry, it’s not helpful to society, it’s not helpful to the governments.”

  “Our viewpoint is that we are trying to help consumers around the world. We’re just doing it through different channels. […] What’s going on right now is that the TAM [ed: Total Addressable Market] and data center is growing just absolutely tremendously. And we want to make sure that, as a company, we help fulfill that TAM as well.”

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• VirtuePacket@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They can fuck right off.

  For the foreseeable future, DIYPC is dead.

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  • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    most folks will pay. all my PC gamer friends are just paying $200 per 16GB stick now.

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    • Mesophar@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I am in a position to see first hand people regularly dropping ~$4000USD on “mid-range” PCs. It hasn’t slowed down purchasing of PCs, if anything it is speeding up compared to this time last year.

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• sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They are going to kill an industry and damage peoples ability to access technology.

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  • axexrx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Im kind of wondering if that isnt the real end game- there was a Bezos quote i saw the other day, where he said he wants to see personal computing die out in favor of essentially cloud based, where users own minimal hardware and just rent compute time for everything.

    It kind of feels like they dont actually need ai to succeed- its already achieving the goal of denying components to end users. If they maintain that scarcity long enough, they can kill the pc/ laptop status quo. (Especially if chip makers abandon those fabs for data center tailored units for a whole generation, until theres nothing viable left on the market)

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The good thing is that we have a few giants with vested interests in resisting that. PC OEMs like Dell and HP, Clevo, Intel/AMD who still have huge consumer sales, and the big one:

      Apple.

      Apple is all-in on personal compute, and they have the muscle to resist the anticompetitive plays, hopefully.

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    • maxie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Such crazy logic from Bezos, personal computers are now more powerful and capable than ever, fulfilling the average users needs easily. Hey let’s just get rid of that and make them use our servers. He tries to frame it as the logical conclusion but the only conclusion I can see is he wants more money.

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• Broken_Window@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m worried that at the end of the day, gamers will just give up and accept higher prices, kinda like with GPUs.

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  • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    they have to give up their bragging rights if they don’t upgrade their PCs

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    • Broken_Window@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, imagine missing all that karma by not posting a photo of your RTX 5090.

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• jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I could care less about Asus and many more of those fuckers, but this is impacting every single part of the consumer electronics environment.

  wccftech.com/asus-declares-all-in-ai-strategy-as-…

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In order to appeal to others’ emotions, it really helps to have emotions of your own and feel empathy.

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• Damage@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yet if prices somehow go back to sanity, people will flock back to nVidia like they always did

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• duncan_bayne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Here’s an idea: a catalogue of companies who pulled this shit during the bubble, so we know who not to buy from when it bursts.

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• SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nothing like a call for empathy from the morally bankrupt.

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  speaking of gaming i know people with recent degree in gaming related field, not surprise he couldnt find a job in that field.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • edgemaster72@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They ain’t gonna optimize shit, they’ll tell us to turn on DLSS/FSR/XeSS or enjoy 30 FPS, or for just $59.99 a month here’s time limited access to a streaming computer that can run at decent framerate (no games included)

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Was it the Big Gay Boat Ride that’s got everyone mad?

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• Pazintach@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I still have one PC with a broken motherboard that I need to fix. I wonder when will I be able to do that.

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