The AI explosion isn't just hurting the prices of computers and consoles – it's coming for TVs and audio tech too

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• cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So start making more dumb TVs and speakers. That way they don’t need much memory.

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I just want a straight up monitor with no built in wifi or Bluetooth or even speakers.

    Just display the image I want it to when I want it to.

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    • galaxy_nova@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Literally this. Let me use my own fucking box and my own goddamn pc how I want with big monitor. Also put DP on it fuck HDMI. I don’t need trackers in my bloody tv OS. My tv has an OS!!! That’s ridiculous. Sorry this is one of those things I’ve always been super pissed about.

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    • LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sceptre

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    • LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I use old dumb tvs as monitors. They don’t have the best picture, but are better and cheaper than anything currently for sale.

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    • riskable@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Every modern monitor has some memory in it. They have timing controllers and image processing chips that need DRAM to function. Not much, but it is standard DDR3/DDR4 or LPDDR RAM.

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  • YourAvgMortal@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But how will they play ads‽

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  • Tim_Bisley@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Man I’m really dreading buying a new TV. Been going strong with my plasma for years. I don’t need any “smart” features in a tv. From what I understand you either get a good TV or a “dumb” TV, pick one.

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    • blitzen@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But a good tv, and don’t connect it to the internet. Apple TV or Shield device.

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    • chillpanzee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, pretty much. Any decent display on a TV is gonna have all the shit you don’t want, but you can (at least for now) just not connect your smart TV to the internet. You;'d have a good TV with the “smarts” neutered. But you’re still paying for it.

      It’s a bit like the ATSC broadcast stack. You likely aren’t using it, but the industry still makes you pay for it (and it’s not cheap).

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Dumbtv

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  • ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Linear components like power amplifiers are made from the same material as digital circuitry, and they use a lot more of it.

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• Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Here’s an idea… let’s stop. Let’s just fucking stop with AI?

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    votes for MynameisAllen for president

    Now if only we knew their name…

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    • fartsparkles@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pretty sure it’s My Name Is All En.

      Dr En En En.

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  • FenrirIII@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s too much imaginary money in AI that tech bros are stealing.

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• anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Good. Maybe we’ll get dumb TVs again.

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  • DannyMac@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Idk, even the oldest HDTVs used RAM, sadly.

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    • Soup@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How much, comparatively?

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• SendMePhotos@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t even fucking use the smart TV functions as it is. Fuck all that noise.

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• ViscloReader@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s the thing I keep telling people around me. It’s not only RAM. Too many critical components have ram.

  If you increase RAM, you increase computer prices. (And I’m talking ALL kinds of computer, from microcomputers to desktop to servers)

  If you increase computer prices you increase costs for almost everything

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  • TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • riskable@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No shit. There’s easier ways to open the fridge.

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I was thinking how this will affect cars, all of them have a bigass tablet in the middle nowadays

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    • mech@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Modern cars have 90 GB of RAM on average.

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• artyom@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  2027 sounds right. No way these fabs don’t know this shit is temporary, so unlikely they’ll increase production.

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  • Sabin10@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Unfortunately it’s the people between the manufacturers and the consumers that think this current iteration of AI is the future. They even seem to think we want it and can’t wait to pay them for it.

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No one thinks that. Not the hardware OEMs, not the consumers, not the CEOs, not even the investors. It’s all just a grift to see how high it can get before it pops.

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• Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I 'member when headphones were just a copper wire to a magnet dressed in plastic, and none of this garbage required memory. Can we go back to that age? Thanks.

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• notreallyhere@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  its coming for your babies

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  • SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    cf. Children of Men

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• sundray@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And the OEM’s are like:

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• solrize@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why do TV’s and audio gear use memory? TV’s ok I can sort of understand a little, but audio? That’s still analog right? Or anyway mostly analog.

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  • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    All digital devices will use some amount of memory. Audio devices are all digital these days and only use a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) to generate the actual audio waveform from a raw sample stream.

    On something like a standalone audio amp there still has to be the whole backend to store codec information, menus and settings, and a whole host of other controls and audio processing features that are likely implemented on top of a basic OS and not directly written to a microcontroller. There’s more memory than you think.

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    • b_tr3e@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Codec informatiom” is in ROM or implemented in hardware directly. Even studio quality audio interfaces that are DSP comtrolled will need only relatively small amounts of RAM; relatively slow memory for variable space and slightly faster mem for buffering. Both in the megabyte range and far from the speed that GPUs or AI require.

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    • Damage@feddit.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I doubt headphone’s MCU uses DDR5 tho

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  • UnspecificGravity@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is probably all like stand-alone Bluetooth speakers and such that have little processors in them. Analog hifi shit isn’t going be able to use AI for anything except maybe receivers or something. I guess there might be a use case for using it to balance to a room and set up EQ or something, but these guys don’t seem interested in doing anything that would require actual work to develop a real product.

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  • stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Depends on if you have analog cabled headphones, like the Meze Empyrians or the Philips X2HR Fidelio, then they are analog, but wireless or even digital headphones with USB/Lightning has ram.

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• coherent_domain@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Question: will AI eventually hurt computer chips? Like memory companies, the TSMC also only have finite production capacity.

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  • Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes

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  • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m beginning to wonder if AI is actually going to set us back technologically. Certainly it seems to be creating or widening a technology divide.

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• sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just like those popular 3d tvs right?

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