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• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Hungarian here, we’re in the “fingers of the feet” group!

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• Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Now do one for who has a word for “glove” vs “hand shoe”.

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  • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    German Word for mittens is Fäustlinge, literally fistlings.

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    • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Okay but that’s kinda cute

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    • vaionko@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Byt then you also have Handschuhe (I bet I typed that wrong)

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• Michal@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Why is this a map? Some of these countries have multiple languages, like Switzerland, Belgium, Ireland, Wales, even Spain has Catalonian.

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  • ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Engagement shitposting

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Germany not calling them “feet fingers” was unexpected.

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  • IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m wondering if they got France and Germany mixed up. I don’t remember all the French I was taught growing up, but it didn’t sound right. So I googled it and got “droigts” and “orteils” for “fingers” and “toes”.

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    • Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      German has “Finger” and “Zehen”

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    • HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Both “orteils” and “doigts de pied” are used in French, the former sounding less childish than the latter.

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• tino@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  in French, les orteils but also plenty of slang: les nougats, les arpions, les radis, les haricots…

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  • Obi@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well we definitely have both, we do also say “doigts de pied”.

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  • Minizarbi@jlai.lu ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We have a word for toe, and we don’t use it very much.

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• fluckx@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So the Flemish part of Belgium has “tenen”, which is not toefinger. The french have “orteils”, which is also not fingers of the foot( finger is doigt ).

  So the map is at least wrong for those two countries.

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  • dublet@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Belgium doesn’t really exist.

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  • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You can also use “doigts de pied” in French, so you can be whichever colour you like.

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  • georgette@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Are you really telling me that cookie clicker was made by a french toe?

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  • Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Real funny they coloured it differently, because Flanders literally shares a language with The Netherlands.

    To be fair half the world seems to forget Belgium is not all french sometimes, or puts french as the default even though Flanders’ population is almost twice as large as Wallonie. Even adding the population of Brussels and Wallonie, Flanders still has the larger population. (Numbers for stats come from statbel)

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    • azertyfun@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Either way if you ignore regional languages you’re not doing linguistics. And the author could not even get it right for national languages, if we even accept that arbitrarily picking one makes any sense.

      This map is a masterclass in what not to do and it almost feels like intentional engagement farming.

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• idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Language maps shouldn’t be country maps. And it’s also wrong, in Hungarian toe is “lábujj” literally means “legfinger”

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  • Dicska@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I suspected it was rage bait, starting with the British isles being coloured green, despite the existence of the word ‘toe’ there.

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  • yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sociocultural boundaries are almost entirely grounded in language. Nation states are almost entirely grounded in imagination.

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  • Matriks404@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    By that logic, it should be both green and red, because it looks like “lábujj” is both a word, and like you said it means “footfinger”.

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• Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  False, italian has a word for toe that is separate from the fingers of the feet (alluce)

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  • 8dotpi@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    That is specifically the name for the big toe though, and while there are names for the various other toes (they’re quite uncommon, I don’t remember them), they’re not generic like “toe”

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• KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  In Polish, “ręka” can mean both arm and hand and which one it is is context dependent

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  • Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Kinda same in Slovenian. You don’t shake hands, you shake arms. Anything you do with your hands is done with your arms. The word for hand is not used that often.

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    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Are there jerk off jokes about someone’s arm being their lover instead of their hand?

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  • Michal@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well, there’s “dłoń” for hand. “Ręka” means the whole arm, including the hand, I assume.

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    • invictvs@lemmy.world ⁨35⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      In Bulgarian “длан” [dɫan] (which in IPA is spelled close enough to “dłoń”] refers specifically to the palm while “ръка” [rɤˈka] can refer to the the hand, whole arm and some people may use it for palm even, although that last one is not correct.

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    • KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Dłoń means something more like palm

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• realitista@lemmus.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This unites the Germanic and Uralic languages in by far the most important cultural way.

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• msantossilva@sh.itjust.works ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Nope. In portuguese we do not call the toes “fingers of the feet”. In fact we do not have a word for fingers. Or toes. What we have instead is a word for thoses appendages that one can find at the end of one’s arms or legs. We call them “dedos”. Most of time we do not feel the need to specify if we are talking about fingers or toes. Context is usually enough to distinguish between the two. But when do have to be specific, we call the fingers “dedos of the hands” and the toes “dedos of the feet”. Now, that may seem weird to some, but to me what is really surprising is that some languages feel the need to use two words to describe what is essentially the same fucking shit.

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  • Klear@quokk.au ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “Digits” would be the English equivalent of “dedos”, and the words are indeed etymologically related.

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  • ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Now, that may seem weird to some, but to me what is really surprising is that some languages found it necessary to use two words to describe what is essentially the same fucking shit.

    Sucking on fingers is an entirely different kink from sucking on toes. So somewhat different I suppose.

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  • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    to me what is really surprising is that some languages found it necessary to use two words to describe what is essentially the same fucking shit.

    I mean, you can start calling all sorts of body parts the same shit, and some of them even have words already. Like we say arms and legs, but we could also say upper and lower limbs. We’ve got knees and elbows and shoulders, but they’re all just joints.

    Now I’m wondering what languages have the fewest words that could describe the entire body, as in once you break down the word “body” into any number of parts (without using the word “body”, like upper and lower body), how many other words are needed? I think in English you couldn’t get away with anything less than head, neck, torso, and extremities (although one might argue that the latter refers only to hands and feet so you’d have to put limbs back in as well).

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    • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Torso and appendages

      Head/neck being an appendage is arguable. But basically because there are better words to describe it, not because it isn’t one.

      Axial and appendicular

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  • Vreyan31@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    As someone who only speaks English, the cognitive map made by that language is kind of disgusted to think of toes and fingers interchangably.

    Fingers are (or should be) clean, and are allowed to touch many things. I am perfectly comfortable touching many things with my fingers that other people’s fingers have touched.

    But toes? Toes are gross. They are not interchangeable with fingers. Unless I’m in the shower cleaning my toes, if my fingers touch my toes I probably need to wash my hands after. And other people’s toes?..

    No - toes and fingers are not the same thing. My toes are great, I’m glad to have them for balance while walking or running. But they are not fingers, or vis versa

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    what is essentially the same fucking shit.

    ?

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  • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sooo… “nubbins”?

    (German “Nubsis” comes to mind as well)

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  • tagoth@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s the same in spanish

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• not_me@piefed.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Belgium is in wrong color

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  • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No trolling of Wallonia please.

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    • sniggleboots@europe.pub ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      wallifornia

      dirty south from belgium, wah wah wah

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• skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  In certain Austroasiatic languages, your wrists and ankles are your hand-necks and foot-necks.

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  • AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In hungarian we have a similar thing but for your foot and hand, its leg-head and arm-head respectively.

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• davidagain@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t know much about it, but I suspect this is just a map of the 'Germanic" language family.

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  • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Not quite. Green countries are germanic or uralic (finnish, estonian, hungarian). I assume each country is only represented by a single language on the map, and Ireland is probably assumed to be speaking English according to this map.

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• Bonsoir@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  French supports both designation.

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• rapchee@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  hungary is the wrong colour too: “lábujj” lit. “footfinger”. more confusingly, the middle is “lábfej”, which is “foothead”

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  • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hungarian has a word for the middle toe and it is “foothead”?

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    • halvar@lemy.lol ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No it’s the part that includes everything below the ankle. Basically the foot.

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• Worx@lemmynsfw.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Where’s the “toes of the hand” section?

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• tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Hungary calls them foot fingers, should be red

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• muzzle@lemmy.zip ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So, Germanic and Uralic languages vs. Latin and Slavic languages.

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  • hansolo@lemmy.today ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ok, so Albanian and Greek are the outliers here. Albanian is it’s own language group.

    Though, to be fair to Greek, the word is for toe and finger is δάχτυλο. Dachtylo. Which is kind of like “digit.” Even in Koine Greek. Also, arm and hand are the same word, and leg and foot are the same word.

    My Greek isn’t good enough to say for sure, but a pre-Google language manuals call both finger and toe dachtylo. Then specify hand or foot. Or…specify arm or leg? Arm digit? Leg digit?

    Greece should be a grey “N/A”

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  • cepelinas@sopuli.xyz ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    For some reason I always get really annoyed when Lithuanian gets grouped into slavic even when it makes sense.

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• Matriks404@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I have a theory: If you need 3 or 4 words in some language to specify “Fingers of the feet”, they will make their own word for it, because it is troublesome. In Polish it’s just “palce u nóg”.

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  • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In that case wouldn’t German have to use something like Fußfinger instead of Zeh?

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    • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, as if we ever had trouble making something one word.

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  • Demdaru@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Wait. “Palce u nóg” would translate rather to “finger at legs” not “next to legs” which has a lot more sense. Still sounds weird but yeah.

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• shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  i always use this as an example of how deeply the languages we use shape how we understand the world

  even the answer to the question “how many fingers do you have?” changes depending on the language, and that’s a physical fact that seems to not have any degree of subjectivity to it

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  • Samsy@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Eight. A thumb is not a finger.

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    • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve never seen an explanation why though.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What is it then, a leg? That’s dumb.

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    • ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Depends on your definition. Wikipedia is either ambivalent about it, or lists the thumb as a finger.

      In Dutch, thumbs are fingers, and there’s word for “digit” in the context of fingers and toes.

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• DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So, feet fingers, or “feengers”?

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• Fabrik872@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Slovakia and czechia is in wrong color

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• tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Any languages have both? Like Japanese has ashi(no)yubi [foot('s)finger], and although yubi is technically digit it’s much more common to use it for finger. Then there’s also tsumasaki, literally meaning nailtip (or point, end, head, etc).

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• istdaslol@feddit.org ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So it’s basically a map of the Germanic languages ?

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• thatradomguy@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I just can’t get over how in Japanese, 足 means from like thigh, all the way down to tippy toes. Drives me nuts.

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• greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What are they called is Basque?

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