Submitted 1 year ago by Anid_Vid@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
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When you visit the Google’s chatbot bard’s website in Microsoft Bing. A New Button pops up besides the search bar which lets you compare bard results with Bing chat’s. I have no idea why they implemented this, well maybe to show off the their chatbot is better than bard or something?
Is it me, or is that pretty anti consumer?
No more anti-consumer than Google saying that “the internet is best experienced in chrome” every time you open YouTube or Google search.
Don’t you think it’s different if Google says this on their own sites vs Microsoft showing this when visiting their competitors?
Both isn‘t good. But I feel like one of those is clearly worse.
at that point i consider it a microsoft tradition to do the "hey, i see you're using Y, we have a similar product called Z and it's better, do you want to try it?"-routine no one asked for.
“No one asked for this” should be Microsoft’s tag line. Rather than fix problems that have been around for years - decades in some cases - they just keep adding crap that no one wants or asked for.
Everything from Microsoft or Google is anti everyone.
It’s also shameless and pathetic.
Being offered a second option and not having a monopoly is as consumer friendly as it gets, may I suggest a dictionary?
Except they are using the power they have with people using their browser to divert people away from the alternative to their product.
Use Firefox
If they’re still using Edge at this point, you’re wasting your breath.
we have windows 11 on our work machines. The OS and Office 365 apps are forcing more and more links to open in Edge instead of the default browser. Microsoft has been fined in the past over their push for Internet Explorer (at least in the EU), but what they are doing now has already become much worse.
PLEASE USE OUR PRODUCTS WE BEG YOU
Consider it payback for when Google kept shilling chrome everywhere back then
That’s how I saw it.
When I did web dev, I was losing it when I saw my fellow devs adding things like “This site works better on Chrome” and giving Chrome free marketing.
"This site designed for Netscape Navigator"
Bundled with every installer in existence with the checkbox checked-on by default…
Not really one to defend Google, but Microsoft is out of line on this (and a lot of other stuff they do). Sadly our Congresspeople are pretty much owned by these corps and won’t do anything about it.
You mean like when you visit a Google service (Gmail, Google, Maps …) on a non Chrome browser it bugs incessantly to switch?
It’s pervasive and it stinks, but it’s not Microsoft. It’s our current capitalist gestalt.
You did not imagine that. I remember back when Google was being obnoxious about that. They cut it out years ago though, possibly after some bad pr over it.
I’ve never had this happen to me, and I’ve been on firefox for over 8 years at this point
Never had this happen on Firefox yet.
I’ve been using Firefox for years to access Google services, and have never ever had a single issue. I hope it stays this way, with all this Web Environment Integrity shenanigans they are pushing for at the moment.
I just tried doing this in Edge. No pop-up showed up. Can you show a screenshot of this “incessant” behavior?
Microsoft has been acting for a monopoly for ages now. But Google was a newcomer, more transparent, and even tried to have a morally positive corporate motto for a time, given competitor propagandists the perfect opportunity to present it as the monopoly it was not. Google has always held itself too back, made their technology too open sourced, and allowed third party growth over their own to be an effective monopoly, and now the Google search engine is rapidly dropping in its effectiveness with the advent of closed off, cult-on-demand social networks, and they will still be damned because they performed targeted advertising first, yet in contrast to Facebook in a way where their user’s data and personal identity has remained relatively safeguarded. Their biggest problem is being unable to operate within their environment or even outside it, as they clearly unwilling to move away from personalized ads because they have shit all revenue streams except for serving ads, even though it is such a necessity that it became one of the cornerstones of duckduckgo.
Google left their “do no harm” motto in the dust long ago and is one of the largest internet monopolies of all time. Both companies suck in that regard.
But yeah, google search is getting worse and worse every day.
Microsoft now has implemented “compare with Bing chat” button when you visit Google Bard in Edge
That title has so many brand names I feel like I’m reading infinite jest
FTFY
Microsoft now has implemented “compare with Microsoft Bing Chat™, an AI search engine powered by OpenAI GPT-4™” button when you visit Google Bard™ in Microsoft Edge™©®
The AI hype is getting to be even worse than the NFT hype
I hate big tech. I hate big tech.
Bing lets me use their AI chatbot search without creating an account.
Bing wins.
Interesting, it seems to want me to install Edge. That’s a hard pass.
I liked Edge whilst it was in beta. It was just another browser. Now it’s a browser caked with Microsoft services so they do their best to try to get you to use it. Even Outlook now opens links in Edge, yes ignoring your default browser settings, unless you go into Outlook and unconfigure it. Fuck off Microsoft.
That outlook setting is such a load of crap. Your two choices are “Microsoft Edge” or “Default Browser”. Why even have that setting at all? Just use the default browser!
While bard got some really bad reviews compared to chatgpt, I’ve honestly found it better with queries chatgpt struggled with. I have two examples:
In general, Bard in general seems one of the few llms that will tell me it doesn’t know something or that something is impossible. IMHO that’s better than just coming up with a hallucination.
Same. Found it to be better with some and worse work others. With some of those where it provides worse results compared to ChatGPT it just feels like it’s missing the fine tuning. It provides pretty similar results as when ChatGPT 3.5 came out a while ago. People just tend to forget about it.
I had kinda the opposite experience using Bard. It made up random technical details for the questions I asked. It assured me that it knew the contents of a document that it didn’t have access to and generated what it claimed was information from that document rather than saying it couldn’t read it and didn’t know.
“…but as the company grew and became…”
Evil
You have no idea why? Really? It’s to get people thinking about / trying bing.
It’s all advertising.
We’re going to enter another search engine (read chatbot) war.
Just wait until Google manages to bust out the internet DRM they’ve proposed. Then things will really get bad.
We almost need an entirely different internet at this point. Start over, we fucked up.
Gemini exists and the protocol is designed to be hard to extend deliberately, but it serves documents as a markdown-like format instead of modern html/css/js
To be fair that could be a lot worse. I was expecting injected webpage content. I think this is acceptable and serves as a quick way to compare multiple sources. I dislike that it’s Microsoft more than I do the actual “feature”.
It’s not very far away from injecting it into a webpage though. I feel like at this point it wouldn’t make any difference. Except on a meta level.
As if there is any comparison, bing is miles better, especially in gpy-4 mode.
Bing AI is like a whiny child. Worse than useless. I often can’t even get a single answer to one innocuous question before it goes into wilting flower mode and doesn’t want to talk anymore.
I'd like to recommend this video by a retired Microsoft OS engineer about how LLMs like ChatGPT and Bard work. It has lots of technical mumbo jumbo, but Dave tries to explain it in simpler terms.
Probably to collect data on comparative performance.
This will probably work for a lot of people, since as much as we hate this kind of marketing the products are genuinely competitive and many people will just pick the better solution.
If you ignore the improvement to Edge and Bing(AI) now it’s out of spite of this polarising marketing, but just be aware that you’re not the majority that this advertising is aimed at.
Hasn’t this been there for months? I remember seeing this a while ago.
It’s like a dick measuring contest; personally, I don’t want AI shoved down my throat and my private data sold without my consent.
Sounds pretty helpful to me. Like first-generation Opera when it was really proud of its ability to search like 15 different search engines by putting g or b or w or y or whatever in the address bar before typing a search query
Does Bard work with VPNs? Microsoft has completely blocked access.
Bing works with vpn. At least if you are logged in
Welp. I can't remember my MS account credentials ever since W10 nuked itself and my entire C: partition, which caused me to switch to Linux. And at this point I really cannot be arsed to go through recovery or create a new one, especially when they just give you a "network error" without any further explanation.
As someone who has used both, they both fucking suuuuck.
I like this way better than Microsoft just showing popups trying you to stick to their browser.
Classic Microsoft. Playing dirty because why not?
Ngl though I do really like this.
Bing has got to the be the worst AI chat there is so I have a feeling this is going to backfire. It’s so over-sensitive as to be completely useless. It’s like what would happen if you let your average redditor write the results.
Prompt: Tell me Keanu Reeves 3 worst movies.
Bing/average redditor: I don’t like the term worst because it divides things into good and bad and all things are special in some way. I think all Keanu Reeves movies were great. I no longer wish to continue this conversation. How about we switch to a new topic?
…also Microsoft has been doing BS like this for a while. Search for chrome on Bing and the top result is a banner That says something like “Why search for chrome? There’s no need to switch.”
Like most AIs, it used to be good until they handicapped it for having the possibility of saying controversial things.
…out of curiosity, ran your query through Bing bot. It went to rotten tomatoes and citied 5 movies lol. Exposed, The Watcher, The Lake House, Sweet November and Chain Reaction.
Dude, it was not literal. I’m not"exposed." grow up.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Microsoft needs another good antitrust lawsuit. They’re so aggressive about pushing their products.
I haven’t heard many other people complain about it so it was probably a very short term thing, but I’ll never forget when they updated windows defender to identify the chrome installer as highest-threat malware so that its download would be blocked, and if you forced the download windows would instantly delete the installer for your own protection.
Huschke@programming.dev 1 year ago
So does Google imo.
ForthEorlingas@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Alphabet, Microsoft, Meta. Pretty much all the big tech companies really need a visit from the FTC.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Honestly the way Microsoft handles things rubs me worse than Google. It’s specifically the way that Microsoft watches what you do, and then tries to stop and convince you to use their stuff instead. And they don’t respect you saying no once, instead trying to stop you at every step in the process.