proton isn’t your friend I keep seeing people recommend protonmail like it’s some kind of activist infrastructure and it’s starting to bug me remember in 2021 when they handed over a french climate activist’s IP to the cops? swiss court order, data went through europol, person got arrested. this was while their website was still implying they couldn’t log you. they quietly changed the wording after they got caught and like… switzerland isn’t what people think it is. they have treaties with the US and EU, they share intelligence, their whole “neutrality” thing has always been about protecting money, not people. ask any dictator who parked their cash there also proton took VC money. it’s not a co-op, it’s not worker owned, it’s a company that sells privacy as a product. which means eventually the investors are going to want their returns and something’s gotta give none of this means “don’t use it” - it’s still better than google. but e2ee doesn’t hide metadata and metadata is often enough. your threat model matters. a corporation is not going to protect you from the state, ever
Introducing Proton Sheets
Submitted 7 hours ago by Matt@lemdro.id to technology@lemmy.world
https://proton.me/blog/sheets-proton-drive
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Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 41 minutes ago
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 31 minutes ago
a group called Youth for Climate was doing direct action in paris - occupying empty buildings near Place Sainte-Marthe to protest gentrification and airbnb bullshit. pretty standard stuff. they used a protonmail address to coordinate french cops wanted to know who was behind the email. proton is swiss so france couldnt just demand it. so they went thru europol, who asked swiss authorities, who then issued a court order to proton heres the part that matters: proton wasnt already logging this persons IP. the swiss court ordered them to start logging it. proton complied, collected the IP going forward, and handed it over. activist got arrested. charges were trespassing, theft, property damage protons response was basically “we had no choice, swiss law, we support activists but cant break the law for you.” they also quietly edited their website - it used to say “we do not keep any IP logs which can be linked to your anonymous email account.” now it doesnt say that the CEO said they didnt even know it was about climate activists when they got the order. which… okay? thats not really the defense you think it is my guy the takeaway: • proton can be legally compelled to start logging you specifically • swiss “privacy” folds when another country wants you bad enough • encrytpion doesnt protect metadata • if your doing anything that might piss off a state, use tor. proton even says this themselvs now
nagaram@startrek.website 1 hour ago
I actually just want them to make proton drive work on Linux. That’s all I need.
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
I comment this on many of their LinkedIn posts. I think they’ve blocked me at this point
gtr@programming.dev 2 hours ago
With all these web based office suites popping up, I wonder if anybody needs these? It seems like a solution pushed onto everybody that nobody asked for. Everybody I know is still using MS Office or Libreoffice and everybody seems to agree that office on mobile devices sucks.
Damage@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
Real-time collaboration is fairly useful, you can have a videocall or meeting while discussing changes to a document and making them together
BroBot9000@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Did proton fire Andy yet? Fucking Nazi bootlicker
sunbeam60@feddit.uk 2 hours ago
Does if have FILTER, array formulas, spill zones, MAP, data tables, query engines, SQL engine etc etc?
To compete with Word: Easy. To compete with Excel: Very, very difficult (pretty much only Google Sheets have managed).
freeman@feddit.org 7 hours ago
Good luck.
If Excel ever gets replaced, then we know that we overcame Microsoft.
crank0271@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I’m actually pretty excited to have another product to try to motivate friends and family to leave Google behind. Maybe this will do it.
scarabic@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I’ve managed entirely on Google Sheets for years now. And I was a really big fan of Excel. It was never viable for me to rely on Windows to be everywhere I need to be, and the functionality gap closed steadily over the years to the point where the benefits of it being on the web now overwhelm the feature gap. Being free helps too, especially as Excel has gone through various pricing and bundling contortions over the years. Someone might tell me here that it’s now completely free but can I really be blamed for tuning out Microsoft years ago?
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
Nobody can blame anyone but MicroShit for dumping MicroShit.
galaxy_nova@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Genuinely what do you need in excel you can’t do anywhere else? For me sheets are just glorified visual data storage. If I need to do complex stuff I can probably do it faster in polars or pandas than I can in excel
freeman@feddit.org 55 minutes ago
There are probably a lot of programms that do aspects of Excel better. But the combined might you weild if you know how to use Excel is very powerful. I tried LibreOffice and OnlyOffice and the spreadsheet part of those office suites is the roughest one until today.
But my comment was more about how much of our economy probably runs on Excel. And I experienced how badly Excel and for example LibreOffice Calc plays together, it makes switching very hard. A complex .xlsx is far from being rendered and calculated correctly in LibreOffice.
goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Yes!! I remember submitting feedback about this being a must have feature ages ago. Excited to get it
Auth@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I’ve been wanting a sheets alternative and I really do not like libre office. This is huge
user@startrek.website 4 hours ago
Good news! Unfortunately I’m not sold on having to have a bridge to access their email using Thinderbird, so I’m not subscribing Proton Unlimited “suite”. Also no working Linux client for Proton Drive (rclone’s is unmaintained and not working).
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
i mean i still use proton + LibreOffice, sheets isn’t a big deal for me.
akilou@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Amazing! I don’t even remember seeing this on their road map. Caught me completely by surprise
ronigami@lemmy.world 14 minutes ago
People are still using Protonmail when there’s Fastmail?