Windows 11 Finally Fixes "Update and Shut Down" Functionality After a Decade

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.techpowerup.com/342538/windows-11-finally-fixes-update-and-shut-down-functionality-after-a-decade

If you ever tried the infamous “Update and shut down” option in any Windows build, it often leads to a reboot instead to an actual shutdown. Now, Microsoft has finally fixed this issue starting with Windows 11 25H2 Build 26200.7019 (or 26100.7019 on 24H2). According to the Windows Latest, Microsoft has shipped this broken functionality way back with Windows 10, and has never fixed it since. However, the Windows teams working behind the update have finally managed to ship a working solution with a note stating in Windows 11 experiences that the new build: “Addressed underlying issue which can cause “Update and shutdown” to not actually shut down your PC after updating.”

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Naich@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Great. Now can we have the option for a vertical task bar back?

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- Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  /laughs in KDE
  
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  - FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Imagine using an operating system that you don’t have to labor away to escape advertisements and upselling after every update.
    
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  - Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    My first experience with kde was back in 2012 or so (plasma 4?) and at that moment it felt so advanced compared to win 7 or vista that going back to windows was painful.
    
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- Humanius@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Yes, but it’ll take them another ten years
  
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  - voracitude@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Image
    
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- Hadriscus@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Just for the sake of the anecdote, I just discovered that in KDE Plasma, you can put a taskbar anywhere you like, including vertically, resize it, and even rotate it at an arbitrary angle! it’s pretty much useless… but you can
  
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  - loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    You can even have like…40 taskbars floating in the middle of the screen!
    
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  - chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I love the vertical task bar in KDE. It does exactly what I want it to, and that’s so refreshing.
    
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  - Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    when you say resize it, do you mean after you go into the edit menu? I find it a bit frustrating that I can’t resize it without going in there, but I usually don’t have to anyway.
    
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- tordenflesk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  It baffles me how few people know that they can just replace the Explorer shell.
  
  learn.microsoft.com/en-us/…/shell-launcher/
  
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  - Naich@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    You could have vertical task bar in vanilla windows 10. They took it out in 11 because fuck you, presumably.
    
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  - Nelots@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    That baffles you? I’d be willing to be 99% of windows users don’t even know what explorer.exe is.
    
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- original_reader@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Even just a top bar would be great.
  
  How could the taskbar regress so badly?
  
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- Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Rotate your screen 90°
  
  Edit your fonts so they are readable at 90°
  
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- SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Why the fuck are they fighting the vertical task bar? Or the 3D files folder? I’ve wasted so much time in connecting this shite OS from OneDrive and copilot.
  
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- The_v@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  How about today’s, random complete freeze. Had to hard reboot then spend 30 minutes watching it trying to “fix the issue”. It then failed to find anything. So I had to force it to reboot to windows. Then it worked fine the rest of the day.
  
  While it was down, I was working on my 11 year old, budget laptop running Mint.
  
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  - echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    The other day my windows 11 computer booted and was unable to find the sound driver. I hadn’t done anything to it, it just randomly decided it couldn’t find the driver for some reason, after restart it was fine, but what the hell.
    
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- CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  I don‘t know what you mean. I can have vertical or horizontal bars wherever I want, how many I want and with different apps pinned to each if I want. KDE Linux btw.
  
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Hadriscus@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
So, I settled on Nobara (Plasma desktop) almost week ago now. Besides my troubles with Wacom tablet (it happens with all distros I tried, no solution so far), it’s all good. The OS isn’t constantly nagging me about something. It doesn’t lie about not restarting when I ask it to hold off -and consequently lose no work because of it. There is no random ad on the login screen. No web results when I type to search for a local file or command. I can disable stuff I don’t use, such as window animations, etc. No shovelware like one-fucking-drive or some LLM butler taking up room, ram, and mental health.

All in all, I feel weirdly at peace when using this machine. It’s just a tool that’s succeeding in getting out of the way.

The only downside is I can’t use the Affinity suite, but besides that… perfect

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- far_university1990@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  github.com/daniel080400/AffinityLinuxTut try this?
  
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  - Hadriscus@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Thanks ! will certainly test when I get the chance. No hardware acceleration isn’t surprising, but it may be worth the trouble still
    
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- Sabata11792@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Been using Nobara for nearly a year. Pretty solid. My biggest complaint about the distro is googling it spoiled an anime I wasn’t really planning on watching in the first place.
  
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binarytobis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Good timing. The straw the broke the camel’s back before switching to Linux two months ago was watching my PC reboot after “update and shutdown” and saying “I shouldn’t have to deal with this!”

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- phubarr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  “Too little, too late”
  
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- frongt@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  That’s basically what pissed me off too, but instead I set up an MECM server to control updates.
  
  What finally made me switch is it bluescreened on boot after an update. Even a fresh install, as soon as I applied the latest update, it bluescreened every time again. No point in fighting that when Debian is right there and it Just Works.
  
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- QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  For me it was not being able to keep a homebridge VM from crashing. Threw it on Debian and it hasn’t gone down once. Dual booting for now but I’m moving everything over. The final piece was seeing how fast Debian copies files. It’s instant most of the time. Made me realize that the “nice” speed dialog is literally just show and slowing down the functionality by quite a bit. What a pig.
  
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  - echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Yeah if you copy files from the command line it’s so much faster.
    
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ohshit604@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Maybe one day they’ll fix applications on the task bar not focusing when you click on them, don’t get me confused here, these are applications already open and in the background but clicking the icon on the taskbar occasionally does nothing until you manually bring it to the foreground.

So dumb.

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- Illecors@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  I think you missing just a few zeroes there.
  
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  - ohshit604@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I mean technically I am right, they are worth at least 1 billion dollars, didn’t feel like looking up their gross/net earnings.
    
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- QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  So that’s not just me!
  
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- lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Also, only the main screen time and date button actually pulls the calendar up. That works on all screens in Win 10. It’s incredibly annoying
  
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- InFerNo@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  I don’t think windows is how they make most of their money
  
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JFLennson@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
So it actually was a bug. All these years I gaslit myself I was too tired, too high or maybe just missclicked this time. That’s actually funny. How fucking incapable is Microsoft xd?

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- Lfrith@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Haha same. There’s been times I woke up to find my PC on when I was sure I had turned it off, so figured I must have forgot.
  
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Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Excellent. Sometimes I’d use the option for my work machine on a Friday only to find the fucking thing had rebooted instead.

Let’s see if it behaves when I do it in an hour or two.

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Gloria@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Too little too late. Shit like this would not fly in an open OS and is they were only able to do it that long, as they give a shot about customer demands. Fuck these proprietary software! Never again will i be held back by corpo software!

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- PushButton@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
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  - sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    “You participate in society yet you criticize it ☝️🤓” comment.
    
    Furthermore, what do two different mobile OS have to do with a desktop one?
    
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Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
How convenient that windows 10 support is over. They probably had the fix and waited to ensure more people downgrade to 11

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- mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  dude my win10 install at work has been getting seemingly exponentially more glitchy in the past month or two. it seems intentional at this point
  
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mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
maybe next they can work on making shut down actually shut down too, instead of me coming back three hours later to the remainders of a poor attempt

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- nukeforyou@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  shutdown -s -t 0 -f
  
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  - a_postmodern_hat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Was this typed from muscle memory?
    
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- QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  It might be your hardware. I just migrated from a Ryzen 5 laptop (with much better battery life than its Core i5 cousins in the office) to a new Core Ultra laptop and the difference in shutdown time is striking. Mostly because it actually shuts down all the spreadsheets and office BS I have open while the Ryzen one would hang. I normally don’t like Intel chips but this generation seems to be pretty good. Could be RAM too. Old laptop had 24GB, new one has 32GB.
  
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chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Can they fix the “randomly turn itself back on and drain the battery while in its bag so that it’s always dead when you actually need to use it on the go” problem?

Because that’s been a problem for like 20 years at this point and means I have to treat my laptops as if they don’t actually have batteries because it’s schrodinger’s power any time I pull one out to work.

I was at a conference this week, and half the attendees were huddled in the cafeteria the whole time because there were some tables on one wall with outlets.

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- MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Had a friend who used to put his super-workstation laptop in his backpack. It would randomly turn itself back on and get HOT in there at times, like firestarter hot.
  
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  - chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Yep. And since I carry 3 laptops in my backpack (2 for work and one personal), it’s a problem.
    
    Though I will say the fact that all 3 can be powered by Type-C cables has been since huge life improvement since i don’t need to carry around 3 different charging bricks.
    
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- cashsky@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  It’s probably because your computer has quick boot turned on which isn’t actually fully shut off. More like a deep hibernate which can still receive magic packets that can turning it on for updates and such. If it’s a work laptop it’s almost certainly because your work has set up so it wakes up when they push an update. It’s more of an issue with how your work has set up group policies. You can turn off magic packets in advanced network settings if you have admin access to your computer, which you may not if it’s a company laptop.
  
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sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
One reason why it’s trash, tackled. A million more to go. Can’t wait to see their progress in 2036

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- cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  More bugs, less fixes.
  
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cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Oh, this was a general issue? It was driving me crazy as I was certain I hit “shut down” instead of “reboot”. I am soon getting a Linux laptop at work anyway (I’ve only been waiting about 5 montha for it now, so any day now!) - so I will hopefully not experience this fix.

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Australis13@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Right, so they wait until just after Windows 10 reaches EOL to release the patch for this annoying bug. Typical. They've probably had the solution ready for ages.

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- joyjoy@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  But there will never be another Windows 10 update, so it’s really no longer an issue.
  
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  - Australis13@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    That's my point. I feel like they have been sitting on this for a while and didn't release it ages ago because it would be one more thing to reduce the odds of people shifting from 10 to 11.
    
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echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Wow Microsoft have actually introduced the one and only reason to update to Windows 11.

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thatradomguy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
For now. In due time, they will have some regression much like how Windows always breaks down and makes me cry.

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DaddleDew@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Great. Now bring back Windows 7

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blackjam_alex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
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homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
What’s “Windows” ?

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- goatinspace@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Windows 9
  
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Live_your_lives@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I wish I would have had that issue instead. What happened for me was that it would shut down like normal, but then I would get a BSOD on startup, have to restart the computer, reinstall the update, and manually choose restart again (it had to be from the startup menu, not from a windowed program) to actually get it installed.

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Dagnet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Oh, I had thought it was me hitting the wrong button

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GaryGhost@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
A couple years ago I had a windows update lead to an error message that says no device drivers found. Tried installing windows again, still says that shit. I downloaded all the available drivers. Strange how I had drivers and then suddenly not. Linux working good though.

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