Nah, Fascists dont want to build a white ethnostate, some want a Jewish, Indian, etc. ethnostate.
Know the difference
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Deceptichum@quokk.au 19 hours ago
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
Nationalism is nationalism and it all depends on the culture and race group
White Caucasians want a white nationalist state
Blacks want a black nationalist state
I’m Indigenous Canadian and I know a few extremely minded Native people who believe in a Red Nationalist State … I’ve known a few that if they saw a white guy on their home reserve, they’d beat up the white guy just because they were white.
It’s a human emotion … we like to be part of an ‘in’ group … and we want our ‘in’ group to be the one in control and hold power over all the other groups.
Any fascist state no matter the culture or identity is a fascist state that no one should ever tolerate
ekZepp@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
The word you’re looking for is “people”.
virku@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
As Douglas Adams says in The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy: People are a problem.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
My eyes are bad without my glasses, I’ll just pick the red and black one.
ceenote@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I am on board with antifa’s efforts to reclaim red and black.
Luci@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
Totally the same thing /s
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
They’re both violent! Or, at least, I’ve been told they’re both violent and the news wouldn’t just lie to me, right?
Who owns these big publications again? Bari Weiss and the Free Press, you say? Well, it’s got Free Press right there in the name, so I’m assuming they’re on the up-and-up.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
I just started watching the film The Apprentice and I’m just trying to figure out how people like Trump and his mentor Cohn can get away with so much shit. Is professionalism just a fairy tale? Cause it looks like behaving like the biggest asshole in the nation is a viable way to get ahead.
0xD@infosec.pub 11 hours ago
Professionalism is just a fairy tale, yes. Superficiality deluxe
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Trump and his mentor Cohn can get away with so much shit
An army of lawyers and PR experts, and some mobsters. That the bastard made use of his buffoon imagery to even allow himself to enter a WWE ring because the audience loves kayfabe.
MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
If you’re interested, this video might shed some light on it.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
hotel? Trivago
jaybone@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
Hotel Rwanda
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I’ve never been a fan of red, white, and black. As far as I’m concerned the Pride Progress flag is the ideal flag of egalitarianism and anti-fascism.
knowone@slrpnk.net 5 hours ago
I mean, that’s pretty damn queer-centric don’t you think? The actual and potential victims of fascism go way beyond just queer people. And there’s plenty flags, both now and throughout history, that are linked to antifascism. Most of aren’t all red, white and black.
Plus I’ve always found the progress pride flag kinda ugly, but that’s just personal. As a queer person who’s into vexillology, a fair few of our flags have that problem
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 15 hours ago
Free speech: yes, even for Nazis advocating for evil shit. Throwing people in jail over words is stupid unless they meet the harm principle. The older US antifascists didn’t fight to weaken fundamental civil rights. In the Skokie Affair, some Jewish lawyers knew that offensive Nazi speech is not a credible danger, but that chipping away at fundamental rights is a danger that gives fascists what they want: those lawyers were antifascists.
That letter addressed the Village of Skokie’s ordinances that sought to prevent the Nazis’ demonstration. It explained that “…the Nazis are not the real issue. The Skokie laws are the real issue.” It pointed out that the ordinances were so broad that, “Skokie had already used the same law[s] to deny the Jewish War Veterans a permit to parade.”
It’s not hard to oppose fascists & advocate for free speech.
axexrx@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
If you allow nazis to keep promoting nazi ideas, you will inevitably have to fight more nazis at some point.
If ypu ban nazi speech as the one major caveat to free speech, then they will never be able to exist in large enough numbers that you HAVE to fight them.
Its the logical conclusion of the paradox of tolerance.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 14 hours ago
If ypu ban nazi speech as the one major caveat to free speech, then they will never be able to exist in large enough numbers that you HAVE to fight them.
That’s deluded speculation & the old antifascists knew that.
I remember other instances of unexpected support, too. There were times when, during speeches I gave about the Skokie case, Holocaust survivors courageously stood up to say that I was right to have represented the Nazis. Several years later, another survivor sent me a letter saying the same thing. These survivors said that they did not want the Nazis driven underground by speech-repressive laws or court injunctions. They explained that they wanted to be able to see their enemies in plain sight so they would know who they were.
Better to see them right where they are.
Such legal compromises are trash. Look how they work for Germany: live police suppressing pro-Palestinian protests as anti-semitic, raids & arrests over calling a politician pimmel, internet patrols penalizing vitriol, insults, & satirical images of politicians showing fake quotes.
Its the logical conclusion of the paradox of tolerance.
It’s a paradox without a single logical conclusion, and you likely misunderstood it.
Image :::spoiler text alternative
The True Paradox of Tolerance
By philosopher Karl Popper[^popper-source]
You think you know the Popper Paradox thanks to this? (👉 comic from pictoline.com)
Karl Popper: I never said that!
Popper argued that society via its institutions should have a right to prohibit those who are intolerant.
Karl Popper: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance.
For Popper, on what grounds may society suppress the intolerant? When they “are not prepared to meet on the level of rational argument” “they forbid their followers to listen to rational argument … & teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fist or pistols”. The argument of the intolerably intolerant is force & violence.
We misconstrue this paradox at our peril … to the extent that one group could declare another group ‘intolerant’ just to prohibit their ideas, speech & other freedoms.
Grave sign: “The Intolerant” RIP
Underneath it lies a pile of symbols for Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Black power. A leg labeled tolerance kicks the Gay Pride symbol into the pile.Muchas gracias a @lokijustice y asivaespana.com :::
[^popper-source]: Source: The Open Society and It’s Enemies, Karl R. Popper
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
Agreed, but it’s still a tough line to draw. Here’s a scale:
We’ve got some problems, and it’s probably because of “someone”.
Aren’t the X suspicious? We should keep an eye on them.
All the X have rights but it’s their fault for all our problems.
We should give jobs to everyone before all the X.
We should expel all the X.
We should genocide all the X.At which point is it ok for the cops to come have a conversation with you?
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Tolerance of intolerance is the death of tolerance.
So no, intolerant nazi shit should never be tolerated.
sobchak@programming.dev 11 hours ago
I think abstract support of genocide should probably be legal, I don’t think organizations, institutions, or people should be forced to tolerate it though. Anti-fascists being anti-free-speech in regards to pro-fascist speech seems ok and natural?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
True Centrism is when you’re in favor of a Centrally Planned Economy.
Everyone else is some variant of political extremist.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
Antifa calls dissenters (anyone to the right of them like social democrats) fascists and and would put them straight into gulag if they could.
Regarding Jews, it depends for both of them.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
By dissenters you mean nazis? in which case to the gulac it is.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
TachyonTele@piefed.social 16 hours ago
Who exactly is antifa? Did you meet them recently?
NONE_dc@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Certainly indistinguishable from one another /s
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
We’re fucking living in 1984 Jesus. Straight up newspeak
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
If you think they only jail dissenters, I have some bad news for you
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Where does it say that?