Street racers are not criminals

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• cravl@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ll also add, besides the obvious public endangerment, street racers are just soooo fricking loud. Noise ordinances exist for a reason, but even where they don’t, nobody likes being woken up by a bunch of metal death boxes screeeaaaming past their window at 3am. (Near me, it’s a posse of motorbikes. I typed that as motorbiles at first. Heh.)

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• FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  Words mean things. The word “criminal” means that something is against the law, or someone who breaks the law.

  Street racers are criminals because they break the law. It’s as simple as that.

  Now you could try and argue that they’re not bad people. But you tried that in another thread in nostuoid questions and I don’t see a need to add anything there.

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• 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  yes, they are. it says so in the criminal code. they are also fucking cunts.

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• swordgeek@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sorry, yes they are.

  The difference between “Reckless Endangerment” and “Criminal Negligence Causing Death” is one tiny slip. If you’re guilty of the former, you should be aggressively prevented from being the latter. Impound your vehicles, suspend your license for life, and fines in the six-figures.

  If you’re street racing, I hope you only kill yourself.

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• roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Putting other people’s lives at risk for your own entertainment is criminal behavior.

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• ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I want this random internet stranger to preside over the trial when my backyard Bald Eagle cloning/ fair trade human meat grocery business comes to light, not to mention the homemade SMR powering it all

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• MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  STFU, moron.

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• Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Username checks out.

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• Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is just from an initial search, with strict query:

  Known Cases in 2024 of Bystander Deaths or Innocent Victim Deaths in Street Racing-Related Crashes

  St. Louis County, Missouri – April 2024 Construction worker killed in work-zone by street racing crash Two 18‑year‑olds racing; one lost control and struck construction workers. One, Christopher Johnson (34), was pronounced dead. www.wdtv.com

  Portland, Oregon – Fatal crash killing innocent bystander Young mother (Ashlee McGill, 26) killed She was struck by a vehicle that lost control during an illegal street race while she was a bystander (had no involvement). hoodline.com/…/portland-man-sentenced-to-3-years-…

  Grand Prairie, Texas – August 10, 2024 Family killed by alleged street racer Four family members (parents and two children) killed when their car was struck by alleged street racer returning from Six Flags. people.com/four-family-members-killed-after-stree…

  Kansas City, Missouri – December 2024 Two innocent people killed in street racing crash A street race (Chrysler 300 vs Charger) resulted in collision with a Honda HR‑V turning onto another road; both people in the Honda died. These victims were not part of the race. tonyskansascity.com

  As someone who grew up in the racing community (at tracks designed for it), I’ve watched the safety improvements dramatically improve over my lifetime, and the number of attendee injuries drop to near zero and yet we still have crashes that exceed the math of safety engineers.

  I work very hard to not insult people here, but to critique their statements, but in this case, get fucked with your selfish bullshit.

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• markz@suppo.fi ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I hate how games like Need For Speed always paint racers as villains

  I recently played NFS Heat, and that somehow twists it into street racers being good (at least relative to the corrupt cops). I haven’t played all of them, but the only one I remember where the racers just unapologetically villains is the BMW Driver Simulator, aka NFS Most Wanted (2005), and I absolutely loved it for that.

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• Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Street racers aren’t just criminals, they’re also extremely selfish people who put their “hobby” above the safety and well-being of the general public.

  If you want to race a car, go find a track.

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  • r0ertel@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I came here to say just this. I used to belong to a hobbyist group that would reserve track time for races. They were timed trials for safety and had tow trucks and medics on standby. The best was when they watered the track in the winter and let it freeze overnight. Those were the slowest races I’ve ever seen. In addition to being safe fun, they taught how to handle your car in extreme situations.

    Here’s an example race: www.onelapofamerica.com/#!HOME

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• db2@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Shower? Maybe. Thought? Not so much.

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• nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “My hobby is breaking and entering. I don’t do it for the money, I do it for the thrill. I don’t intend to hurt anyone, but I carry a gun. You know, for safety. Sometimes someone dies, but that’s just an accident. Most break-ins go just fine. I only kill people maybe one out of 100 times. It’s totally harmless fun.”

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• sadfitzy@ttrpg.network ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Criminals are anyone who is breaking the law.

  It’s why I never liked the term as it applies to drug users, but it is true.

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  • squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not exactly. Most countries differrentiate between different types of laws, and criminal law is just one subsection. That’s why e.g. parking in the wrong spot is breaking a law, but it’s not criminal.

    Street racing is in most countries part of criminal law, because it’s something that’s especially bad and dangerous.

    Drug usage is in many countries in the realm of criminal law, and it’s quite controversial whether it should be there, thus many countries move it out of criminal law.

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• slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I look forward to your changing your opinion when a member of yours family dies because of street racers loosing control of their car and smashing into them while standing at a set of lights waiting for the lights to change.

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• cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Are they speeding? Then they are committing crimes, ergo they are criminals by the definition of the word.

  Even if you ethically limit crime to harmful behavior, the risk to pedestrians and other traffic still paints them as criminals.

  There are reasons they aren’t racing at a track, and part of it is the thrill of someone potentially getting hurt, or arrested. So even by your definition, they are criminals.

  Now skateboarding is not a crime. Public nuisance, perhaps, at worst, but not a crime.

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• Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A crime is contravening to a law or set of laws/bylaws, as prescribed by a state or municipality.

  Think of jaywalking, in a place and time where no cars are going at all. You can still get fined for that even if nobody was hurt or even remotely impacted.

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• helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In Need for Speed, how many other cars did you hit or do you play with traffic off? In a video game there are no consequences, so you end up hitting dozens and can keep going as you learn the game. In real life, you hit one car and someone is either dead, wishes they were, or incredibly lucky.

  How about hitting the trees, the road barriers, going through grass? All that stuff costs the community money to fix.

  Let’s say you’re the best (or luckiest) player in the world and never hit anything, how much did your little cousin hit when you first gave up the controller?

  Street racing is a crime because its dangerous to other people. You are intentionally putting other people’s life at risk for your own personal entertainment.

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• TheWeirdestCunt@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you want to race take it to a track. I understand the urge, but if you want to do that stuff go somewhere where you’re supposed to do it instead of endangering others.

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• cloudless@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I never said this on the fediverse, but FUCK YOU!

  Yes you are the fucking villains.

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• FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So you want to redefine what a crime is because you’re stupid

  Awesome

  Well argued there, champion.

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• TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Being a criminal doesn’t mean that someone did something unethical, just that they did a crime - ie something illegal. However, in this case they are also doing something unethical.

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• Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I hope you don’t hurt anyone else when you inevitably remove yourself from the gene pool though your stupidity.

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• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wrong.

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• remon@ani.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Street racing is illegal, sure

  Exactly, it’s a crime. That makes people that engage in the crime criminals.

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  • FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He’s clearly stupid, so couldn’t grasp the fact that this should have been posted on an unpopular opinion instance

    Or, not posted at all because it’s just dumb as fuck

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    • cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think you’re onto something. I’d take it a step further — OP should have put the same energy into making this post that they put into replying to everyone.

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• ricdeh@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Street racers” are some of the worst people to exist. They have no empathy and regard for the lives and well-being of other people. Most of the time, their fatal accidents kill entirely unrelated people (including children!) that were just going about their business. Having “street racing” as your “hobby” is the ultimate display of unlimited egoism; you do not care at all about the actual humans you kill through your actions and the decades of connections you sever and memories you eradicate. And defending this abhorrent practice is almost as shameful as participating in it.

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• Lembot_0004@discuss.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What about drunk people on the road? I’m sure most of them don’t want to hurt anyone…

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• psx_crab@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not a crime, it’s an offence. It’s only a crime when you crashed into someone, injuring or killing them, but it remained an offence for driving dangerously, and it’s illegal.

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  • NABDad@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do you have a reference to the particular definition you’re using?

    All my searching indicates “offense” is either synonymous with “crime” or at the very least a subcategory of “crime”. I couldn’t find anything suggesting that an “offense” was not also a “crime”.

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    • psx_crab@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Huh. I swear i read somewhere that define crime as in something like assault or murder or battery or robbery, something that cause harm to others, while offence is when you break the law. Like while littering or parking somewhere you shouldn’t might be a punishable offence according to the law, it isn’t a crime per se.

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• harrybo93@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Er, A&E nurse talking here. They are. They knowingly endanger other people. You can’t always guarantee clear streets. I still wake in the night from dealing with the aftermath of the Bristol Middleway incident. Half of the deaths were innocent bystanders.

  bristolpost.co.uk/…/full-story-horror-crash-kille…

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• Madrigal@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Putting other people at risk through deliberate or careless action is also considered to be criminal, in many cases.

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  • f314@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Rightfully so

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