Submitted 6 months ago by mintiefresh@piefed.ca to games@lemmy.world
I played lots of borderlands 2 with my friends back in the day it was pretty fun.
Three came out, played it for a bit, but it was just more of the same and somehow worse. Then I watched that God awful movie.
I think I’m over the franchise, but maybe here in a few years I’ll pick it up for $5 in a summer sale.
It was out free, but had some spyware or something, so I refused it for free…
I found 1 and 2 were games I could both replay at least once. With 2 the only bad bit to replay is bricks area where the devs just spammed a ton of very spongy enemies in a big map. 3 had more fun vault hunters mechanically but even during the first playthrough so much of it feels like filler content (like literally ALL of Hammerlocks area) and the final boss is somehow even more dissapointing than BL1, trying to play through a second time is at least 2/3 “Oh god not this bit again”.
I adored the presequel, did so many interesting things. The verticality, stomp attacks and oxygen masks were awesome. Also the low grav meant the maps could be way more varied and interesting.
Waited for the reviews for the third (never pre-order, always wait for reviews!) and it just seemed so… mid. Definitely happy I dropped out of that franchise when I did.
I just got a new GPU, and they gave me a coupon for the game for free. My system should be able to run it great, but I’m not even sure how good it actually even is. All the reviews I see all look like paid reviews or early access folk, or people that claim to love it to justify their overpriced rigs.
I loved 1 and 2, and then the series went downhill for me. Now I guess I have 4 but might wait a while to play it because I know a ton of patches are coming. Besides, there are a ton of other great games on my backlog that I’d much rather play with my limited free time.
Bought it to try n Linux. I don’t have the greatest video card but I can play Dune: Awakening, Helldivers 2, Monster Hunter Wikds, Avowed, Black Myth: Wukong…
Borderlands 4 was stuttering on the barely animated character select. I lowered settings all as low as possible and it was still unplayable with delayed/missed input and stuttering.
I was planning on picking up B4 when the GOTY edition goes on sale for $20-30 couple years from now. I figured performance issues will be solved by then. Now I think I’ll pass.
Piracy, my friend. Fuck devs like this.
Probably not worth pirating, will still run like crap.
Forgetting about it is probably the best insult you can give it.
Sucker game made for sucker gamers.
Are you inclined to blame yourself for the obvious failings of a gaming corporation? Smash that buy button now!
A game that looks like BL4 shouldn’t run like Cyberpunk 2077 with ray tracing turned on.
Stupid comment indeed but this is the gamer community as we know - thet feel SO entitled.
Listen, you can try the game for two hours and get a refund on steam. If you didn’t notice the performance issues on your rig within those two hours, well, what’s the problem? If did notice, then why didn’t you just refund on get on with your life? It’s because of this crazy feeling od entitlement thet gamers seem to have. Whenever something doesn’t live up to their arbitrary standards, the world must burn.
I don’t like BL games and I don’t like poorly optimized games. Doesn’t run like I wanted to? Fine, I refund, maybe try when I upgrade my hardware and the game is on sell. Lots more of these incoming because developers not being able to work with UE5 without optimization issues, e.g. the new Metal gear remake). Also, I know nothing about how devs deal game optimization.
It’s poorly optimized UE5 slop. Looks like shit, plays like shit.
Hard pass.
Stop using slop for non-ai things.
no. slop be sloppin whether it’s AI or not.
Slop has existed as a word far longer than AI has. Uses for the word slop include:
Unappetizing watery food or soup.
Spilled or splashed liquid.
Waste food fed to farm animals such as pigs.
Soft mud or slosh.
Slop is a real word not made exclusively for ai
Guess my hogs will be going hungry.
You're not my real mom.
It’s still slop, just not ai slop.
I haven’t played more than about 30 minutes of a Borderlands game. But from clips I have seen of all of them over the years, they all look exactly the same. Sounds to me like it’s just a poorly optimized game, as is standard for new AAA slop releases.
When was the last time Randy Pitchford got through a day without being a prick?
Drink up me hearties.
Not so fast, mate! Here, there be Denuvo.
So thats why it runs like shit.
I am a premium gamer; if you want me to play your premium game, you’ll need to subscribe to me for $29.99/month or $324/year.
I’ll play something cheaper then
Only PCVR titles can even approach saying such things without looking like jerks. And even then, it’s probally counter productive.
From my experience graphics doesn’t matter much in VR if FPS is fine. You can play HL Alyx on a what was sometime ago affordable gpu and get almost the same experience as with 5900.
You made this statement by using the most optimized high end VR title in existence. And the creators of the game their own engine!
Graphics do matter. That’s why you cited Alyx. Right? Because it has impressive graphics. Graphics in VR have generally stagnated for the past 5 years since Alyx came out.
That’s nice, he is kind enough to tell us that we should not buy his game if we do not have a monster gpu. He is only excluding a very small portion of gamers after all !
Let’s look at the Valve’s hardware survey.
Wait…
Most popular system RAM is 16GB, and VRAM is 8GB.
Wow! Powerful specs!
You need to have $500 gpu to hit 60fps with 1080p native, this is hilariously bad.
I haven’t seen a $500 gpu in near a decade. Even used. If you see a $500 gpu today, I guarantee you it can’t run Borderlands 4.
I guess I will stick to my “non-premium” games made by devs who actually care about providing experiences worth experiencing, instead of a checklist-driven, committee designed and overpriced games that are most AAA games.
I sunk 90 hours into Silksong since launch, and now I’m going through Nine Sols and playing PoE2 on and off. I won’t lie I’m hearing good things about BL4 minus the performance, but I’m not giving Randy a single cent.
Hot take, Borderlands was never really a good franchise. Yeah I played through the second game, but i did so once, and never wanted to return to it afterwards.
The best game in the franchise is the Telltale game
That one is a gem, Gearbox can’t compete with this. B2’s only biggest asset is the voice actor, the animation when two character interact is worst than Oblivion.
Agree
there was something special about playing through 1 for the first time knowing nothing what to expect. Then when 2 came out I liked it alright but already felt like it was a big tonal departure. funny to see the discussion shift over time to 2 being the benchmark and 3(+) going too far.
Honestly that was how I felt as well. I remember being hyped the play bl2 and then getting bored doing meaningless quests over and over. Like am I supposed to feel anything for these people asking me to retrieve parts over and over? At least do some sort of quest where they can shoot people. I thought the combat system was better but I wasn’t compelled to play through it
Well to me, borderlands 2 was the most fun I’ve had with a shooter since half-life 2 or CoD4. It’s one of the funniest games I’ve ever played as well. I think the writing in general is really top notch (props to Anthony Birch), the characters are memorable, the weapons and abilities are fun. All and all, BL2 really hit the mark in a lot of ways for me.
Borderlands 3 on the other hand, just wasn’t as good. It had a ton of great quality of life improvements, so that was nice. The player abilities were also largely really good, I liked most of the classes. But it had a ton of weaknesses… The level design was pretty awful, the much bigger maps really spread out the action absolutely killed the pacing. The story was pretty dumb, and while the villains were detestable, it was only in the way that all obnoxious teenagers are detestable. And the greatest sin, the loot was a mess. They actually threw way too many guns at you, so many that you never really get a chance to enjoy any of them. And way too many of them were uniques (with mysterious effects they never bother to explain).
In other words:
“We don’t want to put resources towards optimising our product. We don’t care if the methods we built our product with make it more difficult to use, while regressing in several key visual aspects. The burdon of our shortcomings will be placed on the end user, who will have to spend their resources to out-power them.”
So a 4070 is a leaf blower to this asshole.
Well I’ll gladly not buy this game then.
How tf do companies get to say this shit and still be in business?? Are there that many people who just blindly bend over and take it?? Don’t people have standards anymore?
Yes. It’s in the top selling list in Steam and have 300k concurrent player top. People give him power to say that.
Most of their customers don't listen to them. Not hear and disregard, never listen in the first place. Have no interest in game industry gossip.
Message received. Never pay for this game.
I’m so sick of bad performance from all the big engines these days. Even unity makes simple 2d games chug.
On the contrary, custom engines have been bombing.
Look at Starfield or Cyberpunk 2077 or basically any custom engine AAA.
…Then look at KCD2. It looks freaking fantastic, looks like raytacing with no raytracing, runs like butter, and it’s Crytek.
Look at something like Satisfactory, rendering tons of stuff on a shoestring budged and still looking fantastic thanks to Unreal Lumen.
There’s a reason the next Cyberpunk is going to be Unreal, and its because building a custom engine just for your game is too big an undertaking. Best to put that same budget in optimizing a ‘communal’ engine.
Borderlands 4 is slow because the botched optimization, not because its Unreal.
Unreal is the king of bloat. Rather than “general purpose” they strove for “all purpose” - Unreal Engine tries to do literally everything out of the box with as many bells and whistles attached as possible. The result is that Unreal Engine games require tons of optimization to run well, and even the editor itself consumes tens of gigabytes and runs like crap.
Unity is simply a mess of poor decisions and technical debt. Their devs seem to reinvent a crucial development pipeline every few years, give up halfway, then leave both options exposed and expect developers to just automatically know the pitfalls of each. Combined with horrific mismanagement and hostile revenue-seeking, Unity has lost a ton of goodwill over the past few years. It’s a major fall from grace for what was once the undisputed king of Indie dev engines.
Godot is tiny, decently performant, and great for simple games, but it’s very bare-bones and expects developers to implement their own systems for anything beyond basic rendering, physics, and netcode. Additionally, the core developers have a reputation for being incredibly resistant to making major changes even when a battle-tested pull request for a frequently requested feature is available. Still my personal pick though.
That’s just the inherent cost of going with general purpose engines.
Some studios are able to use general purpose engines very well, others not so much. It seems like there is a level of expertise needed to make well-oiled games.
I’ll avoid any controversy by not buying the game, and spending elsewhere.
Is Borderlands really all that popular still? Like I remember seeing the first few games everywhere, and people talking about them, but that was years ago. I realize I’m biased but I would expect to hear something about them…
2 was where the series really peaked. The first did some new things, and brought some fresh life into the shooter genre.
2 expanded upon it, and had a much better story. It was also in the heyday of matchmaking game lobbies, so it was easy to boot up the match finder and jump into a game with someone. Probably half of my Steam friends list came from playing this game and just vibing with people on voice chat while we ran through the side quests.
The prequel was… Alright? I’d put it about on par with the first game. It didn’t bring anything new or exciting to the table, but it was good at what it did.
Then 3 was just bad. It felt really cringey, in a “how do you do, fellow kids” kind of way. Like it was trying too hard.
And now 4 sounds like more of 3. The lead dev sounds out of touch, and the game sounds rushed.
1 was fresh and new
2 was fantastic
prequel was OK
3 tried too hard and was generally average to poor
After what they did to my boy claptrap they can eat it. It’s obvious that the voice acting department is going to go out of the way to deservedly sabotage this series until it finally gives up.
Does 1 get better? I have 1 and 2 from a bundle years ago and started the first game. It’s sooo boring, like all the bad stuff from an mmo but single player. I don’t want to walk from a Hub to place A multiple times and just the spawning mobs change based on the quest.
Or if 1 doesn’t get better, can I play 2 without losing to much?
Maybe he could try to make another TV series.
Someday, the industry is going to realize that while transistors might still be getting smaller, they aren’t getting cheaper for it. Which was the original formulation of Moore’s Law; cost of integrated component gets cut in half every x months.
Not just games, but the whole tech industry. Even in so far as faster hardware exists–and it just plain might not in this case–people can’t afford it.
I feel like we've long reached the point where the benefit of top-of-the-line hardware just isn't worth it. IMO, Switch 2 ought to be enough to target, and any game that can't fit on that can probably stand to be scaled back.
I guess I'm not premium enough to give you my money, Randy.
Nah I’m not gonna pay $80 for unoptimized copy-paste spyware my man thanks
philosloppy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
lol
lmao
rofl