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• cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Murder is killing with malice. Assassination is killing for political capital. There can be crossover but it isn’t necessary.

  Take a head of state — not strictly a current one, not wishing here. Just as an example. He’s giving a speech, it’s an assassination. You caught him in bed with your wife and shot them both — that’s murder.

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• SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  How come 3 kids got shot in Colorado on the same day but people care about some guy bashing the LGBT community?

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m more curious about the Wikipedia editor’s debating whether or not to change it from “shooting of [name]” to “assassination of [name]”, as in the Lexicology aspect, not the Criminology aspect.

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  • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We’re used to kids getting shot.

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  • dwindling7373@feddit.it ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s an easy one: he was much more famous.

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• Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think it is fair to label something as an assassination if the death is actually only a means to an end and not the end itself. For example a prince assassinates his father to become king. The true goal is becoming king, but in order to do that the prince needs to kill the king, but the killing itself is not the end goal.

  So most politically motivated murders are assassinations, because the death itself is a means to other ends.

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  • Hayduke@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You have selected REGICIDE. If you know the name of the king or queen being murdered, press ONE.

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    • kambusha@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why don’t you just tell me

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Booooop

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  • AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    if the death is actually only a means to an end and not the end itself

    I would restrict the intended end to institutional change—it’s not an assassination if you kill someone for their parking space, but it is if you kill them for their school board vote.

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  • mienshao@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Huh? That has nothing to do with the definition of an assassination??? Where are you getting that from? Sometimes the goal really is just to kill the king…

    The difference between homicide and assassination is who is being killed. For it to be an “assassination,” it just needs to be a planned attack on an important figure. You could definitely call yesterday’s killing an assassination if that’s what you’re getting at… Doesn’t need to be a ‘good’ person, just an important/prominent person.

    Not sure why the above comment is getting so many upvotes considering it’s literally just wrong. Has nothing to do with “ends/means” or whatever the fuck.

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    • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah and when the intention is just to kill the person then it’s just murder. Both murder and assassinations are homicides. When the attack isn’t planned, at least legally, it is considered manslaughter. So the only possible definition left is that an assassination is a killing that serves an end instead of being the end itself. Thats were I got it from, working logically through the definitions.

      But just in case: www.britannica.com/topic/assassination

      We are pretty much arguing the same position, my definition was just a little broader because I think limiting it to “prominent persons” is a little hazy. Was the CEO that Luigi supposedly killed a prominent person? I can’t even remember their name and I certainly don’t know their face so I wouldn’t consider them prominent. I’d argue this is the case for most people in regards to that case. Yet the fact of the matter is that that situation was also an assassination.

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• NorthWestWind@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think it depends more on the intention of the murder. If the killer specifically targets a person, that’s assassination. Otherwise, it’s homicide? Maybe when it’s a specific group of people it can be called genocide instead

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  • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If the killer specifically targets the person for a personal motive, it’s not assassination, it’s murder.

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  • garbagebagel@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Maybe when it’s a specific group of people it can be called genocide instead

    Unless you’re every western government, then it’s just “a conflict”.

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• etchinghillside@reddthat.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What did a chess champion do to you?

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    THERE WERE NO ANAL BEADS, TOTAL SLANDER. ALSO I DID NOT KILL MAGNUS CARLSEN!

    /j

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    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Carlsen isn’t even world champ anymore.

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  • TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Google en passant

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Holy hell

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  • fartographer@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    -unplugs Deep Blue-

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• deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Technically, it’s when an assassin does it.

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  • Poojabber@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Do you go to college to become an assassin? How does one become an assassin without first assassinating someone? This is a real “chicken or the egg” type of situation…

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    • deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The term “assassin” likely has roots in hashshāshīn (“hashish smokers or users”), a mispronunciation of the original Asāsiyyūn, but not a mispronunciation of Assasiyeen (pronounced “Asāsiyyeen”, the plural of “Asasi”). Originally referring to the methods of political control exercised by the Assasiyuun, one can see how it became “assassin” in several languages to describe similar activities anywhere.

      Apparently by smoking.

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• vk6flab@lemmy.radio ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I suspect that the answer depends entirely on who reports on it first. By the time the rest of the world has had time to catch up, the tone is already set.

  For a related concept, consider the use of the phrase “domestic terrorism”.

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• iii@mander.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Homicide changes to murder with the criminal’s intent. Murder moves to assasination when the intent is to dictate one’s opinion over others.

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• Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The cheapest way is this:

  Just tell your mom, when the press comes asking, the very first thing she says should be: “It was an assassination!”

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• josefo@leminal.space ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  For me, it’s on the professional execution of the job. Murder sounds more unhinged to me, more passionate, usually not as premeditated or carried over by a professional. Homicide is the technical term for both.

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