As a leftie who moved to one of those red states, please come help. We can flood these places with enough people to tip them, we just need to stop with fatalistic bullshit about how these states are “beyond all hope.” No they’re fucking not. Get out of your comfort zone, do your duty to our democracy, and ffs stop self sorting into deep blue states. Staying where it’s blue is easy but it doesn’t do much good.
YSK that if U.S. housing and U.S population projections hold, the Electoral College will shift further away from Democrats after the 2030 census.
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butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Azal@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
As a leftie who moved to a red state a decade ago, welcome to the suck. It only gets worse.
butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lol I know, I know. I’m not a decade in yet, but it’s been a good half decade and it’s definitely… an experience.
Zirconium@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Of those in red states during presidental elections, they are around 25-35% of voters that voted for a Democrat president. And there’s a big untouched potential with nonvoters who aren’t convinced by either political party. There’s no reason to give up on any state
Raiderkev@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ngl, I just spent a week in Indiana. Hate to say it, but the vibe was truly “beyond all hope.”
StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
[deleted]bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
YSK that if they have kids, that doesn’t give them more votes. The kids can’t vote until they’re 18.
gdog05@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Something missing from the displayed data, not sure if the article goes into it (not going through NYT paywall bullshit to find out) but Idaho, Utah and Texas will very likely gain a blue voting electoral college vote. If, after this Trump bullshit concludes (providing it concludes), we don’t have a major overhaul of how elections work including a change to first past the post, we kind of deserve fascism or all out civil war.
baronvonj@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Texas will very likely gain a blue voting electoral college vote.
eh? Not sure I’m understanding you. EC votes in Texas are winner-takes-all.
gdog05@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re right, we’ve got several states, mostly Republican leaning, that are winner take all. But these extra blue seats could potentially allow for an entire state swing in some states as yaroto98 pointed out. If it doesn’t do that, what it will do is piss enough people off because they’re not represented to get the groundswell needed to force changes.
yaroto98@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yep, most of the people leaving those blue states are leaving due to high cost of living and going to cheaper states. The HCOL means they’re likely from metropolitan areas, meaning they’re likely democrat voters. Very few of them are going to rural areas, they’re going to cities in the cheaper states. This will have a bigger impact on presidential elections than congress, due to gerrymandered maps. It might be enough to flip these states as they’re all-or-nothing states.
Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They are in for a shock if they come to Texas thinking is cheaper. The property taxes and insurance on houses is crazy here and can be counted on to increase at 10% per year. I went back and looked at my homeowners policy from 2016 vs 2025 and I started out paying $1600 per year and just paid $4800 for worse coverage this year. No claims or anything, I don’t live near the coast, not in a flood zone, not in a forest, no history of damaging hail, roof was replaced in 2016.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This will have a bigger impact on presidential elections than congress, due to gerrymandered maps. It might be enough to flip these states as they’re all-or-nothing states.
great, so more “I’m a blue president, but yikes, we don’t has congress :( pwease vote in midterms” presidents.
kmartburrito@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thank you for pointing out the issues with fptp - so many people don’t understand just how big of an issue it really is. We will never see the change we want (or honestly any real change at all) without abandoning it. Not to diminish your other valid points, I just have a particular passion about that one.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Like there’ll be elections in 2032
Skyrmir@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is assuming we still have a congress in 2030. And if we do, that electoral votes will matter, or happen.
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
They will always happen. The illusion of democracy is valuable even to the fascists.
Whether they mean anything, or ever meant anything, is the question.
Skyrmir@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I suspect they are going to fail at that illusion. And the results of that failure will be very violent.
Master167@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It took the Emperor 20 years to remove the Senate in Star Wars.
13igTyme@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
The electoral college map changes after every 10 year census.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
or when the president wants it to it seems
13igTyme@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
That's just the districts. The number of reps is census bases and changes every 10 years because we do a census poll every 10 years.
njm1314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Who the hell is even moving to Utah? It sucks.
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Mormons and skiers, also a decent amount getting born there too. There fertility rate may not be positive but it’s a lot better then the other states so they’re relatively gaining population.
sausager@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Out of the 4 reds it’s the best option, tho. Those places are hell
InfiniteHench@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bold of you to assume the Electoral College will still exist in 2030, or even 2028.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
that’s the point of the census
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
[deleted]captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
No, this would almost certainly be a symptom of the Republic functioning more or less correctly. I’ll get to what that means in a moment.
Each state gets exactly two senators and at least one congressman. If the state has a large population, it gets more congressmen, which is why, say, Virginia has more congressmen than Wyoming does despite Wyoming being physically larger. Nobody lives in Wyoming.
Well, what if a large number of people move out of Virginia and move into Wyoming? Why should the state of Virginia keep representatives for people it no longer has? This is a major reason we do a census every ten years.
There is some rot to be removed here: The number of representatives was capped, so instead of "count your population, divide by 100,000 and send that many representatives) or whatever, there’s this weird algorithm where “everyone gets one, and then we rank the states by how many people are represented per congressman. The one with the biggest people to congressman ratio is issued another congressman, until they’ve all been distributed.” Which still makes it kinda goofy.
HubertManne@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Just because a state has historically voted a particular way does not mean new people to the state will vote that way.
quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
See white flight and pandemic relocation
HubertManne@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Yeah I just so want to see red state americans to wake up and see a massive flip in the midterms in their strongholds. Yes. I know. I fantasize a lot.
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Man, some wild shit is going to happen before 2032. All of this is one scenario, yes, maybe, but this stuff is like weather forecasting on the Titanic at this point.
Fades@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Our democracy is gone and it isn’t coming back anytime soon
quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
If it doesn’t get abolished, I don’t care.
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
It is funny that in Piefed this topic is classified under "Chilling"
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Ill best state
acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
What kind of Roman numerals are R, N, and Y?
Nemo@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Yes, I’m from the great state of 3.
scintilla@crust.piefed.social 2 weeks ago
The cap on HoR seats is possibly one of the worst things that have ever happened in american democracy.
DrBeerFace@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
1000% true. Makes it so much easier for unpopular, minority ideas to make a much bigger impact because it limits voting power of the majority. Without the current arbitrary limit, you’d set the number of congressmen each state gets by the least populous state divided by 3 (since each state gets 2 senators and at least 1 representative). That state is Wyoming and they have just under 600,000 people. With 1 congressman per 200,000 people, California alone would have 196 representatives and 2 senators.
The best option is to rewrite the constitution and put some population restrictions on state representation in Congress (because why does a state with less people in it that the unrepresented city of Washington DC have 3 congressmen?!). But as that seems very far away, the best thing that would be done is to get rid of the cap on representatives and let all Americans have an equal (representative) vote in Congress.
Plus with 1,555 representatives (plus 100 senators) we can loosen the two party stranglehold on this country.
Feyd@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Reapportionment_Act_of_1929 for anyone curious
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s incredible to me just how many people don’t even know it’s a thing! Schools still just uncritically teach that the house has proportional representation, but it simply doesn’t!
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It has proportional representation, it’s just really big portions.