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LibreOffice is right about Microsoft, and it matters more than you think.

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Submitted ⁨⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Mrkawfee@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.xda-developers.com/libreoffice-is-right-about-microsoft/

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  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    My only issue with Libre Office is that they are not available on mobile phones. I want to use spread sheets to make calculate and make projections on my finances if I can’t use my computer at a given moment.

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    • lefaucet@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      opendocument.app

      github.com/opendocument-app/OpenDocument.droid

      I’ve used this a couple times. Seemed okay

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    • Mwa@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think there is a version on F-droid right?

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      • napkin2020@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        droidify.eu.org/app/?id=com.collabora.libreoffice…

        No Libreoffice.

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  • Drusenija@aussie.zone ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The comment about convenience trumping almost everything else reminded me of this old post (wasn’t originally on The Urban Dictionary but they have it now under the definition of Linux).

    If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines

    When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, “You had to do what with the seat?”

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    • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s highlighting perfectly the real problem: too many people can’t assemble basic IKEA furniture properly even with clear, logical, fool-proof instructions.

      It’s not given to everyone.

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      • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m not sure which of the subgroups of this is more frustrating: the ones who refuse to put the necesarry thought towards understanding it but would be able to do so if they did, or the ones who do try their best but still can’t figure out such simple instructions.

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      • Broken@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I use the term idiot instead of fool. I also use the term resistant instead of proof. Nothing is idiot proof. Things can be idiot resistant though.

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  • squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I remember when Microsoft first attempted to prevent the standardisation of Open Document Format (used by LibreOffice and others) and then bullied its way into getting approval for own OOXML standard. Already back then, supporters of FOSS warned that Microsoft would use the overly complicated OOXML to maintain its stranglehold on users of Office-like software.:

    Whenever applicable and possible, standards should build upon previous standardisation efforts and not depend on proprietary, vendor-specific technologies. Albeit, MS-OOXML neglects various standards and uses its own vendor-specific formats instead. This puts a substantial burden on all vendors to fully implement MS-OOXML. It seems questionable how any third party could ever implement them equally well, especially when a standard comes with 6000 pages of specifications without serving its minimalistic purpose.

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    • loutr@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, the issue is not “Microsoft’s usage of the XML format”. The issue is that they blatantly bought their format’s standardization, and then intentionally released an implementation that substantially deviated from the specs, making sure that MSO was the only “compatible” implementation.

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  • TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t buy the argument that windows just works or that it’s somehow better or more stable. The reality is we all have grown to learn about computers specifically using windows and it’s been a steep learning curve. We have gotten familiar with its specificities and its sporadic misbehavior and accepted that as the norm. And people prefer what they are used to even if it’s suboptimal because they would rather not learn something else from scratch, even if in the long run it could be better.

    Put any person who has zero computer experience in front of a windows computer or Linux computer and I doubt they would say the windows computer just works and the Linux one doesn’t.

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    • vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨15⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      the windows just works argument actually refers to the fact that it’s consistent.

      If you have a problem with the desktop, nobody needs to ask you which de you use, or which parts you have substituted out. You have a graphics problem, nobody asks if wayland or x11. You have a problem with audio, nobody asks you whether you have pipewire-pulse installed and to use pipewire. Shit’s the same everywhere.

      I say this as an arch linux user. The choice we all love, is actually a detriment to the average non-power user.

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    • AppearanceBoring9229@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Put any person who has zero computer experience in front of a windows computer or Linux computer and I doubt they would say the windows computer just works and the Linux one doesn’t.

      In my experience, usually with Linux they have less problems and it’s easier to use. Until they need an application that only works on Windows.

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    • Brkdncr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Every single time I try out Linux it’s been a shitshow. Stuff doesn’t work, drive encryption requires multiple passwords to boot up. Updates that fail.

      Windows just works. Only apple is more consistent.

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      • dropped_packet@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I have never seen an encryption implementation that required two passwords to decrypt the disk.

        Is it possible the first one decrypted the disk and the second password was for your user account?

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    • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Not so much the user experience, but I’m not aware of any software that doesn’t work with Microsoft, except for ones developed by Apple.

      With the latest version of Windows, it’s not even a question as to whether a given piece of software will run.

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    • embed_me@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Linux works better than windows for most apps/system stuff.

      But there are certain classes of apps which are not up to par with whatever is available on windows. An office suite is one of them, I just use the Google suite (mostly sheets) in a browser, it works better for me.

      I agree with the developers point about lock-in but sadly I don’t have enough time at work to work with libre calc over proprietary alternatives (I have tried it truly but the performance and user experience is just not good enough for someone already past deadlines)

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  • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Shit, I’ve been right about microsoft for thirty-plus years and it doesn’t make a damned bit of difference.

    They are. A. MONOPOLY. They have never “fought fair”, and it wouldn’t ever occur to them to do so. Their heart is all BOGU.

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    • jayambi@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Wasn’t there even a Simpsons episode about it?

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      • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        “Buy him out, boys!”

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      • FinalRemix@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        “Buy him out, boys.”

        Das Bus

        Season 9 / Episode 14 (19:10)

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    • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The only reason Apple still exists is because Microsoft didn’t want to get broken up, so they invested in Apple to stay competitive for 150 million in 1997.

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      • kadup@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s not entirely true. It’s true that Microsoft invested in Apple, but it’s not true that they were about to get broken up and that Microsoft money saved them.

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      • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I dunno. I mean that’s true, but it’s also the case that Gates stole a lot from Jobs and they knew each other pretty well so it was also like a friendly loan.

        Tbf Gates took the boos he got at AppleWorld or whatever it was then pretty well.

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  • Taalnazi@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Moved to LibreOffice. No regrets.

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    • skeezix@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      does libre office do scripting? (like VBA?)

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      • olympicyes@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        LibreOffice Basic, JavaScript, Python. But the macros wouldn’t necessarily be compatible with Excel.

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Anyone who thinks this is new, please read this, this and this.

    And there’s also this. It’s a topic since shortly after the standardization of the Open Document Format 2006. MS then feared to lose whole governments as customers, so they (pseudo)standardized their own format, with a whole bunch of traps (in the format) and abuses of market power.

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  • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The thing with “just works” in monopolies is that it eventually stops working. I already have terrible excel bugs all the time on my work computer. Left clicking a cell sometimes just selects half a dozen adjancent cells. You vlick something and all of a sudden the rendering just goes completely haywire… You have two larger tables open and it just crashes…

    Things will only get worse from this, until the global economy will loose trillions to being stuck with Microsoft.

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    • kadup@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The thing with “just works” in monopolies is that it eventually stops working

      This gets accelerated when the company starts changing the product just for the sake of having to change something to meet some OKR, or because they need to find a way to incorporate the newest marketing buzz (cloud, AI, etc).

      The Office suite was simple to use and performant. Nowadays I watched a college professor struggle for 8 minutes trying to figure out how to save a file locally rather than saving it to OneDrive, because they redesigned everything around that. It also takes an obnoxiously long time to launch, it keeps popping up some Copilot button in inconvenient places too.

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    • stringere@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      16 digit numbers

      Still

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  • communism@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think the point about convenience is more about familiarity than Windows being inherently easier. Speaking as someone who switched from Linux to Windows previously, I found the change very difficult as a lot of the FOSS software I was using didn’t have Windows versions. I had a nightmare trying to read one of my LUKS-encrypted drives on Windows. I was practically using WSL for everything. That’s not that Windows is inherently harder than Linux; it’s just that I was used to Linux and the FOSS ecosystem, just as some are used to Windows and their proprietary ecosystem.

    If your hardware isn’t working properly, you have to find drivers that run on Linux; if the developer never made Linux-compatible drivers, you have to figure something else out.

    Most drivers come pre-installed with the Linux kernel or your distro—I never had to manually install any drivers for my current hardware. Compared to Windows where you will have to go out of your way to install graphics drivers for NVIDIA or AMD depending on your graphics card, if you want to make the most out of your card’s capabilities.

    Installers made for Windows don’t need any special TLC; you double-click them and they work.

    See, I think if you’ve used Linux for any length of time you’d quickly find the system of package managers way easier than the system of having to hunt down an .exe on the internet, guess whether or not it’s a legit copy or if it’s malware, and manually manage updates for all the different software you have installed.

    I agree that people stay on Windows out of convenience, but it’s not convenience as in Windows is inherently easier, but it’s convenience as in you’re used to the way things work on Windows. Because in my perspective, things do “just work” on Linux, and that’s because I’m used to the way things work here.

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    • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve been on and off into linux for years, but finally decided to go full in on my main. Now using windows is HORRIBLY unintuitive. Its really gone downhill. Xp was peak.

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      • Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This is the first computer where I built it with Linux in mind, and man is it a mostly seamless experience. While I also have a soft spot for XP, I would honestly say 7 was peak. Everything was more or less exactly what it said it was. I do IT, and man, is it frustrating trying to navigate both control Panel, and the settings app.

        Sometimes when you click on an icon or a link in control panel, it brings you to settings, so you have to type it into the address bar.

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    • otacon239@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The forest time I updated some 50 programs by running a single update command, I wondered why it hasn’t been the standard since the start.

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      • nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This, so much. Looking back, it’s just insane that pretty much every program you don’t regularly use will beg for updates on Windows. There are some bandaids like WinGet now that I appreciate, but it’s still nowhere as seamless as when the OS and the whole ecosystem around it are designed with a package manager in mind.

        A huge chunk of the time I have to spend on tinkering is probably already saved by me not having to wait for updates.

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    • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You have to install nvidia still whether you chose to do it manually or rpm. If you did none of this you’re staring at nou and if you never had more than one screen you probably didn’t even notice. And if you never ever had to do anything more complex than documents or watch movies( which you couldn’t do without installing some codecs) you’re probably untouched by it.

      Additionally some (complex) software won’t run unless you also install something other than Wayland. This isn’t stuff you’d have to consider on windows. in fact sessions are not even a thing on windows you have to think about when it comes to software or graphics.

      So just pointing out not all drivers have been installed. You do have to customize the build to needs which isn’t so much the case on windows.

      That said : it’s not a big pain in the ass once you figure out installing is just like the same command over and over again and there’s no going and downloading from a website or clicking install or clicking through a wizard. ( other than the initial ‘y’)

      Overall I found the Linux install process a giant relief over windows.

      it’s just a bit to realize first time doing it and would prefer we be transparent about this and not over sell Linux as if it’s some sort of magic coconut oil. Be realistic : yes there’s some learning moments. No, it’s not that bad. Personally I thought it was worth it and less painful than what up I had to do with windows.

      EG: I no longer have to keep a folder of ‘favourite software’ in case I had to reinstall windows/get a new computer

      I just had to keep a backup list of ‘sudo dnf insfall’ commands and it just conveniently sits on the non boot drive that is accessible for copy pasting after a fresh install which is really quite nice.

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      • eronth@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Thank you for being rational here. It drives me bonkers how many people try to act like Linux is “just as easy” as windows. Like, yeah, to some degree it’s getting used to the differences, but there are definitely considerations and complexities that you simply don’t have to worry about with a windows machine.

        As a relatively recent convert, I can say it was easier than I was expecting, but it was not “just as easy” as installing windows. It took more time to set up all the extra bits I needed/wanted, and I’m still not fully set up the way I’d like to be.

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    • Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      As a recent linux convert I found printer drivers and setups to be a pain and getting java runtime working was a process but everything else was about a days worth and it just works. Hell, even hitting the windows key on the keyboard and typing the ms name for stuff pops up the relevant linux program. If you didn’t know you were looking at something different, it wouldn’t be obvious for the most part.

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      • user224@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Just curious, what brand of printer do you have?

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    • user224@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yup. I started wirh Linux, and trying Windows was a bit of pain.

      I had to run some mystery (included in installer) script to create local account (BypassNRO.cmd), then I remember having to change something in registry, but I don’t remember what that was, disable BITS and SysMain because they were slowing down the PC, disable automatic updates in Group Policy Editor because there’s no other way, get printer drivers from archive.org because despite HP saying it should automatically install, Windows said to get it from manufacturers website, and the Bluetooth would just randomly dissapear despite always working on Linux (Mint).

      Well, and on Linux Mint I just had to install Nvidia driver and Realtek WiFi drivers in Driver Manager (GUI).

      And of course, Arch was a bit harder to set up, but the Wiki is done well, so nothing too crazy. But I should probably revisit it, because honestly, I don’t remember how I set up my PC anymore. I went with encryption and boot separate from ESP, which differ from the default guide.

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  • flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The problem: our desire for convenience

    This hits it right on the money. As nice as open source and open standards are, at the end of the day none of that matters to the 99% that want/need to do X as fast and painlessly as possible.

    To people like my wife MS Office/LibreOffice/Google Docs are all the same thing in the category of productivity suite. And one of those does not meet her where she lives in day to day life. And it doesn’t because there is no money in doing so for LibreOffice. And there is no benefit to her to seek out LibreOffice for her uses.

    Hell, just take a look around at the number of people that preach about the evils of Microsoft, Google, or whoever but love them an iPhone and Macbook. As bad as Microsoft and Google can be for screwing over the user with vendor lock-in they don’t hold a candle to Apple. But they get the money despite there being “better” options technically and philosophically for nearly everything they make, but Apple knows all of that pales in importance compared to being convenient.

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    • Wiz@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      want/need to do X as fast and painlessly as possible.

      Yes, but money is a pain point. Free software eliminated that pain.

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    • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The piece on using the tech is a bit much. We cannot get by without a smartphone in modern life and they essentially do not exist outside of apple and google.

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      • flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Sure they do, but all of the alternatives are not nearly as convenient. But you can absolutely get by without an iPhone or Android phone with Play services.

        The example actually proves the point more strongly than LibreOffice vs MS Office does by the increased level of effort it requires of the user to go out of their way to not actively support the bad things Apple and Google do.

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  • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I honestly don’t understand why I would ever write up or share a Microsoft document.

    It’s just fucking rich text format. It’s obvious they’re manipulating the format to lock down users with less computer knowledge. Otherwise, why is it so fucking complicated?

    Markdown accomplishes 95% of what a word doc does and it is legible with or without rendering.

    All of the “special features” of office docs wind up being security nightmares, unusable junk, or both.

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    • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Corporate execs literally cum over MS’s next big thing. A lot of companies use MS-based infrastructure and applications.

      My work just issued me a Surface 7 a few weeks ago, and while it’s nice, the fucking copilot key is driving me absolutely insane. I can’t disable it unless I turn on “Fn Lock” which switches it’s function to open up the Context menu (i.e. right-click menu). HOWEVER, if I do that, then the F1-F12 keys’ volume, brightness, and home/end/pgup/pgdn functions are disabled. I’m convinced this was an intentional decision by MS.

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      • aow@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’d imagine you can run some kind of custom script to disable or reassign the key, similar to what ahk does.

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    • DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      When in save for myself I like rtf or markdown. But when I need on my work it’s normally something from a template or something already on the server that is using Microsoft format, when your employer decide this for you, there isn’t any choice.

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      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        No, there’s not often a choice.

        But I include and discuss a 4% penalty when making wage calculations in an interview.

        Even though Office, OneDrive, Teams, Ansible, Jira and Confluence are different toxic apps/websites, it’s still the same “shit tool stack” penalty, one hit.

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    • commander@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      My understanding is that Proton Docs web editor is a markdown editor and I’ve seen people complain about the limitations there but I’m not a power user to compare with. Don’t know how well collaborative annotation/suggestions/replace would work with markdown. Fully out of my knowledge base but interested in learning what office text document abilities can’t be done in markdown

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  • Dewege@feddit.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Also they already start shortening the live cycle of the non subscription office licenses, calling it „Modern-Lifecycle-Policy“. Up to now you hat 7-10 years of update support. But this year Office 2016 and 2019 phase out, next year already Office 2021! And Office 2024 only has support til 2029. Thats from today only 4 years (at the same price!)

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  • ilinamorato@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s a phrase that gets passed around the tech scene: “Linux is only free if your time has no value.” Because, yes, Linux and other open-source apps are free to download and use. In a world driven by money, you’d expect the free version to overtake the paid one. The problem is, the paid option…just works.

    Sure, until the paid option does something anti-competitive or gets too expensive or shuts down entirely, and you have to switch to a different paid option, sometimes burning dozens of hours in switching time (and/or hundreds of hours of work through lost or corrupted data) in the process. Not to mention the transition costs of just figuring out the new thing. Why not just switch to something that won’t go away, or be changed under your feet?

    The problem is that it needs that initial time investment to get it working the way you want it.

    Maybe I’m just enough of a tinkerer in any situation that I’ve put pretty much the same amount of time into fiddling with my Linux settings as I did with my last Windows computer.

    If your hardware isn’t working properly, you have to find drivers that run on Linux; if the developer never made Linux-compatible drivers, you have to figure something else out.

    People have been talking about this for my entire life, but in the past year of my switch to Linux, it has literally never happened once. I downloaded a new, open-source driver for my drawing tablet because it had some extra features that I wanted, but even it worked out of the box. I’ve never experienced this incompatibility. Honestly I’ve never even had trouble with software I wanted not being available for my distro.

    Am I doing Linux wrong?

    Windows doesn’t have this problem.

    LOL.

    Installers made for Windows don’t need any special TLC;

    ROFL!

    you double-click them and they work.

    OH wait they’re serious?!

    Once they’re installed, they work. If you need to install a driver, it works. You open a document in Office, it works.

    Sure, if you don’t run into a permissions issue. And if the system registry doesn’t get corrupted. And if you’re not on an ARM machine. And if your TPM is the right version. And if you’re on the right subversion of Windows. And if a previous install didn’t leave some remnant of itself behind. And if you don’t want to do anything with an Apple device at all. And if sometimes you have the right fonts installed?

    Honestly, I think I’ve had fewer problems installing Linux applications than Windows applications, but I can’t attest to that. I think I can be pretty confident in saying that they’re mostly equivalent. Both of them are pretty mature platforms with fairly minimal hiccups, in my experience.

    And if something doesn’t work, we can yell at Microsoft until they publish a fix that makes it work again.

    That’s a weird way of spelling “until they ignore it for six months and then lock the support thread for inactivity.”

    Microsoft has gotten us into a state where we don’t need to think, tinker, or troubleshoot our software. We just double-click the icon and wait for it to “just work.” If it doesn’t, it’s someone else’s issue to solve, and we flood social media and support emails until the issue is resolved.

    Here I have to agree with the article, because whatever the reality of installing applications on Windows, this is the fiction they’ve sold us. Apple, too. All operating systems have troubles, and all vendors try to downplay them and fix the stuff that causes problems for most of their users. Linux is just honest about the fact that they can’t make everything a perfectly smooth experience for everyone.

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    • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I work on a day to day basis with Microsoft products and services, including cloud environments, SQL databases, Azure lakes, etc.

      I do it ALL from Linux, and if I have to I will remote into windows machines. I do it because I don’t have time for Windows nonsense. I need my machine to work, so I can work and get paid. Linux is easy to set up and has very few surprises. It just works.

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  • SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    hey LibreOffice when are you gonna make the keyboard shortcuts in LibreOffice Calc match the keyboard shortcuts in Microsoft Excel?

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    • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Wait, isn’t this just a matter of generating a config text file that you could set keybindings with that would specify all the custom keybindings necessary to give a basic degree of commonality in keybindings for a newbie?

      Coming from emacs the idea that a program as complex as the Libreoffice suite wouldn’t have a generalized modular way to shift between different keybindings styles is a bit odd to me. Isn’t it just a matter of exposing the keybindings in a text file config format that could easily be imported/loaded into your Libreoffice program?

      I don’t have any skin in this game, but I do think that it is worth emphasizing how useful it is to accomodate people who want radically different keyboard shortcut styles, or rather how obviously common sense it is to prioritize this in development. Keep a main keybinding style, specify a config format and then let the weirdos fiddle with alternate keybindings on the side.

      Keyboard shortcuts can be dealbreakers especially for someone stressed out and overwhelmed who is having trouble getting momentum in a new software, thus for an open source project this is a natural target for software development focus because it is possibly one of the simplest, most effective and broadly applicable way to expand the usefulness of Libreoffice tools to a bigger audience (who will eventually become contributors or support the community in some way themselves).

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      • SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        There’s the rub. The last time I checked, there was no way to package keybindings in a modular way, which is a massive oversight in my opinion for a project meant to replace that which millions of office workers have years of muscle memory engrained

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    • Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Probably never

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