Bro you are literally not necessary, not even the best at what you do. See everyone on codeberg.
GitHub CEO delivers stark message to developers: Embrace AI or get out.
Submitted 2 weeks ago by mesamunefire@piefed.social to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8
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Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Codeberg is so nice.
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But who else is going to micromanage and bully the employees and strut around self-importantly doing jack shit? /s
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What employees?
SeeFerns@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Codeberg rules
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This part really stuck out for me:
This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don’t get on the AI bandwagon.
If hype doesn’t work, try threats!
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Which is how you know they have a good product that they have full faith in.
when they have to blackmail, threaten, coerce, and force people to accept their product.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“The Sky Is Falling! Buy My Magic Umbrella!” is a classic hypeman’s trick.
sturger@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
From Java beans™ to Magic Beans.
Echolynx@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
For some odd reason, this calls to mind an emotionally immature parent trying to get their toddler to eat vegetables… no reason at all…
uzay@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Just that the vegetables in this case are actually fastfood and gummibears.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Threats work well for scams. People who couldn’t be bothered to move by promises of something new and better can be motivated by fear of losing what they already have.
It’s really unfortunate psychology is looked down upon and psychologists are viewed as some “soft” profession. Zuck is a psychology major. It’s been 2 decades, most of the radical changes in which were not radical in anything other than approach to human psychology.
BTW, I’ve learned recently that in their few initial years Khmer Rouge were not known as communist organization to even many of their members. Just an “organization”. Their rhetoric was agrarian (of course peasants are hard-working virtuous people, and from peasantry working the earth comes all the wisdom, and those corrupt and immoral people in the cities should be made work to eat), Buddhist (of course the monk-feudal system of obedience, work and ascese is the virtuous way to live, though of course we are having a rebirth now so we are even wiser), monarchist (they referred to Sihanouk’s authority almost to the end), anti-Vietnamese (that’s like Jewish for German Nazis, Vietnamese are the evil). And after them taking power for some time they still didn’t communicate anything communist. They didn’t even introduce their leadership. Nobody knew who makes the decisions in that “organization” or how it was structured. It didn’t have a face. They only officially made themselves visible as Democratic Kampuchea with communism and actual leaders when the Chinese pressured them. They didn’t need to, because they were obeyed via threat (and lots of fulfillment) of violence anyway.
This is important in the sense that when you have the power, you don’t need to officially tell the people over which you have it that you rule them.
So - in these 2 decades it has also came into fashion to deliberately stubbornly ignore the fact that psychology works over masses. And everybody acts as if when there’s no technical means to make people do something, then it’s not likely or possible.
sturger@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You don’t have to influence a populace. Just purchase a subgroup willing to do violence on the populace.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The code reviews will continue until moral improves.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Get out or what? GitHub?
I don’t understand this insistence that all developers must use AI.
If AI made a developer better, why insist, wouldn’t the vibe coders outcompete all others?
Wouldn’t they need non AI coders to train things?
Or is it because this snake oil pitch only works when everyone does it so no one notices it’s detrimental effects?
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
Studies show AI coding tools make the task slower. It only makes people feel they’re faster, but reality is different. So it’s the snake oil pitch. Nobody can know it doesn’t really work and they keep throwing money at it in an increasingly more desperate “fake it till you make it”. Because, if this thing implodes, it’ll take a large part of the market and economy with it to do a rerun of the 2008 financial crisis.
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 2 weeks ago
Can you name or link the studies? I’d love to read more abt this
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
It’s because we’re expensive. That’s the long and short of it.
10 developers in Silicon Valley can run you $1-$2m in salary alone (it’s more expensive with benefits added).
The industry constantly conspires to keep the salary of software engineers down. It does it cyclically too. In 2008 I was told I would have no problem getting a 6 figure job when I graduated by 2013. Of course the economy had other ideas. Same thing with the dot Com bubble.
I currently make double what I did 10 years ago. It doesn’t actually matter much as inflation and a divorce has had my costs balloon just as much, but it’s still loads more than any other job out there.
They’ll get what they want, one way or another. Then when none of their shit works they inevitably come back begging us and we request better pay and benefits again, because we know they do this. They don’t learn, much like those reliant on AI.
Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
10 engineers in the Bay Area would easily be 2-3 million without additional benefits or support personnel
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Already done. I moved everything to Codeberg a year or two ago. I strongly recommend it to anyone looking for safe, non-corporate, community-oriented version control. It’s also German and non-profit.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
TotalCourage007@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Some CEO: gasp GUYS I found a new blacklisted word! Quick add non-profit to the Ai-Moderation. How dare they not pay me infinitely!
rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I don’t get it. AI is a tool. My CEO didn’t care about what tools I use, as long as I get the job done. Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done? They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.
bless@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
GitHub is owned by Microsoft, and Microsoft is forcing AI on all the employees
TeddE@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Honestly I’ve been recommending setting up a personal git store and cloning any project you like, I imagine the next phase of this is Microsoft making a claim that if Copilot ‘assisted’ all these projects, Microsoft is a part owner of all these projects - in a gambit to swallow and own open source.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I am surprised they aren’t embracing it… I would. You immediately get some vague non person to blame all your failures on.
ksh@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
They all need to be sued for unethical “Embrace, Extend and Extinguish” practices again
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because unlike with the other tools you use the CEO of your company is investing millions of dollars into AI and they want a big return on their investment.
DarkSurferZA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Return? No, there is no return on investment from AI. If there really was a return to be had from Devs, you wouldn’t have to force them to use it.
This is a saving face and covering their asses exercise. Option 1 is “We spent the money, nobody’s using it, the bubbles gonna burst”, the other choice is “if we can ramp up the usage numbers before the earnings call, we can get some of that sweet investor money to buy us out of being mauled by our shareholders”.
It’s shitty management, making shitty decisions to cover up their previous shitty decisions
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I don’t think these CEOs have quite figured out that LLM developers are creating something that can more easily replace a CEO than a developer.
Jhex@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done?
Not just that… why do they have to threat and push for people to use a tool that allegedly is fantastic and makes everything better and faster?.. the answer is that it does not work but they need to pump the numbers to keep the bubble going
sobchak@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I think part of it is because they think they can train models off developers, then replace them with models. The other is that the company is heavily invested in coding LLMs and the tooling for them, so they are trying to hype them up.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because like AI, your CEO is a tool.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.
Accurate description of most managers i’ve encountered.
MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not about individual contributors using the right tools to get the job done. It’s about needing fewer individual contributors in the first place.
If AI actually accomplishes what it’s being sold as, a company can maintain or even increase its productivity with a fraction of its current spending on labor. Labor is one of the largest chunks of spending a company has so, if not the largest, so reducing that greatly reduces spending which means for same or higher company income, the net profit goes up and as always, the line must go up.
tl;dr Modern Capitalism is why they care
Tamo240@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Alternatively, following their logic, keep the number of people and achieve massively higher productivity. But they don’t want that, they want to reduce the number of people having opinions and diluting the share pool, because its not about productivity, its about exerting control.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Because they make money selling you the AI. It’s that simple.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.
AI make money line go up. It’s not clueless, he’s trying to sell a kind of snake oil (ok, not “snake oil”, I don’t think AI is entirely bad).
ragas@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Snake oil is also not entirely bad. The placebo effect actually works.
Lev@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
Daily reminder that Codeberg is always the good alternative to corporate bastards like this idiot
foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
i’m also looking forward for sourcehut.org
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
GitHub is being pushy? Fucking GitHub?
Should we tell him git doesn’t actually need GitHub? That it existed just fine before it and will continue to exist after it?
Ima tell him…
mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
At some previous jobs, the newer devs would sometimes confuse the two. Its a real thing.
Me I lived through svn, mercerial, and file vault. So glad we ended up with git as the protocol.
Hell you can set up a git + file server and just use it without any Hub (Hob/lab/berg) if your bare metal enough. It works.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You can literally run a single command to setup a remote git repository on a server that has ssh.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The Linux kernel still works off emailing patches. If such a large project doesn’t need a central repo, you don’t either.
I use self-hosted Forgejo because it’s convenient, that’s it
Glitchvid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean I would’ve preferred Hg.
But to the point, I think GitHub has been instrumental in the success of Git.
very_well_lost@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sadly a lot of us are stuck with GitHub. Enterprise loves it because it has “Metrics”, and most companies aren’t about to jump ship over something like AI — especially when so many of them are already doubling down on AI in other areas.
otacon239@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
While I don’t wish for this future, I do look forward to being one of the few that truly understands the ‘old way’ of computing like many here on Lemmy. All that knowledge I spent my youth acquiring may very well become insanely valuable in the next few decades because so many people will treat it as irrelevant.
I’ll feel a lot like this:
JohnAnthony@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The future is now. The future is also ten, twenty and thirty years ago! According to GitHub’s Chief Executive Idiot himself:
the skills that will matter most include system design, AI fluency, delegation, and quality assurance
Except for “AI fluency”, this has been true for fucking ever. No serious work environment evaluates their developers on how quickly they can vomit code (or so I hope): the job is indeed about design, quality and working as a team in general.
Which means a tool that does not help with any of these is already not a revolution. When the tool actively makes quality worse and collaboration more complicated, I get the impression it is actually detrimental.Mind you, I might be dead wrong. I am personally not impressed so far. It seems to be a better autocomplete, but I don’t want to throw a glass of water out the window every time I press tab.
brown567@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
hark@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Funny thing to say after using their code to train the shitty-ass AI. Developers don’t need AI, but AI certainly needs developers.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
AI also needs a lot of other shit to run even at a basic level. Networks, and systems… A dedicated nuclear power facility on three Mile Island.
AI can’t run without so many people plugging in the servers, and power, and installing the operating systems… The list of supporting characters is long.
What if we… Just… Stopped supporting the companies that were pushing AI?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
And now we understand why MSFT buying github a some years back was a really big deal actually, and not just some kind of mostly neutral, generic expansionary business move.
haloduder@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Yes, this isn’t just about profits for these companies.
It’s about control. They want to prove that they own us, and they’re right more often than not because of useful idiots.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Would AI be better CEO’s? They would cost a lot less and probably make better decisions. Just saying.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
A CEO’s main job is to spout bullshit, which is also AI’s particular talent.
WindyRebel@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So, yes?
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
an ai is also often wrong but confidently says they're not wrong so that sounds perfect for ceos too
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
A CEOs main job is to be the fall guy when the company goes fubar.
borokov@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Moved from github to gitlab when it was acquired by Microsoft. Moved from gitlab to codeberg last month because I don’t need a behemoth with dozens of services I never use to store my 3 shitty code files.
IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 2 weeks ago
If those are my two options…start looking for my projects on Codeberg I guess.
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Can this guy really be considered a CEO if GitHub is a fully owned subsidiary of Microsoft?
You know Microsoft, the company that is heavily invested in OpenAI and is spending hundreds of billions to try to make AI happen?
zephiriz@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It’s funny how so many people make big businesses and think they are the GOAT when in reality the true GOAT is Linus Torvalds.
krimson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Keep inflating that bubble boys.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Expectation: High quality code done quickly by AI.
Reality: Low quality AI generated bug reports being spammed in the hopes the spammers can get bug bounty for fixing them, with AI of course.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
He probably spent millions of his owe money on AI stocks.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Aight Imma head out
medem@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
“Managing agents to achieve outcomes may sound unfulfilling to many”
No shit, man.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
real messages: embrace AI, because i still need to grift from investor’s money, because AI is just a hype"
Fedditor385@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
AI can only deliver answers based on training code developers manually wrote, so hod do they expect to train AI in the future if there is no more developers writing code by themselves?
Also, small fact is that they invested so much money into AI, that they can’t allow it to fail. Such comments never came from people who depend on AI adoption.
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I don’t trust Copilot to make basic suggestions, let alone edits, on an html file.
TommySoda@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They are so desperate to push this and it’s pretty obvious why. Companies have dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into AI like it was going to revolutionize literally everything and are now forcing it on people to make up for the fact that they were wrong. Don’t get me wrong, AI has its uses, but their whole “solution for everything” mentality is really starting to backfire and they are just trying to make a profit off their investments. Basically “we spent way more money on this than we should have so you better use it or else.”
imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Sounds like a desperate tactic to show value to investors who are skeptical of all the insane level of cap ex… not to mention all the customers who don’t want to pay for this garbage
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
If they intend to pay me the same amount to work slower and think less, that’s their choice and I will be happy to help them out pursuing it. ChatGPT, explain to my boss how I’m using AI for everything I work on now.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Guy who runs wanting AI service (Copilot, currently being eaten by Claude Code and Qwen Coder) says use his AI service or you’ll be out of a job.
alvyn@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Is his message: “let us scrape your code or go away, and we gonna scrape it anyway” note: scrape = steal
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
CEOs, embrace torches and pitchforks.
Copilot is shit.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
I'm looking out in the street. I see a lack of torches, pitchforks, or any pressure on corporate interests.
PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Don’t worry, they’re gonna eat themselves doing shit like this. It’s not a matter of if, but when.
“AI” has it’s uses (medicine, engineering, etc.), but 99.99% of the snake oil they’re selling are just gimmicky cash grabs. Classic cases of Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
Let them burn their money, I say. Fuck it. Just sit back and enjoy the fire.
nocturne@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Be the change you want to see.
the_q@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
You can’t point this out! People will flip the responsibility to you!
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Be patient. Pyrrhic victories of your enemies are not to be gobbled. They are to be savoured.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Exactly, my company provides license for copilot and I use it, and while it has some highlights most of the time it actually is more a nuisance than help.
It especially annoys me because it hijacks autocomplete based on types with is own that frequently has subtle bugs, so now if I have it enabled I need to be on guard all the time. With the traditional autocomplete I could just trust it to be correct.
Buckshot@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
This is my experience. It saves a bit of typing sometimes but that’s probably cancelled out by the time spent correcting it, rewriting nonsense it produced, and reviewing my corworkers PRs that didn’t notice the nonsense.
mx_smith@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You have to put it in Ask mode so it doesn’t touch your code also ChatGPT models are free so if you want to ring up an AI bill use the Claude and Sonnet models.
Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
You can turn off the copilot autocomplete in the ide and JUST use agent/edit/ask mode
AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Turn off the autocomplete, it’s shit. Do use agent mode for targeted tasks that are easy but laborious. Don’t give open ended or subjective prompts. Don’t ask it to do anything creative or novel. It has its uses. Nowhere near what the snake oil salesmen would have you believe, and probably not worth the unsubsidized cost, but for now it has uses.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
i wonder if this the reason why its so bad on the phones, it autocomplete with words that arnt even close to what you are typing.
NotSteve_@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
Yes and no. I find its terrible at solving more complex problems but its great at writing out tests for a function/view that covers every flow. My team went from having like 40% (shit) coverage to every PR having every case tested (inb4 they're not good tests, they are good)
With that being said, fuck CEOs and fuck AI.