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GitHub CEO delivers stark message to developers: Embrace AI or get out.

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨mesamunefire@piefed.social⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8

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  • Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    CEOs, embrace torches and pitchforks.

    Copilot is shit.

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    • Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I'm looking out in the street. I see a lack of torches, pitchforks, or any pressure on corporate interests.

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      • PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Don’t worry, they’re gonna eat themselves doing shit like this. It’s not a matter of if, but when.

        “AI” has it’s uses (medicine, engineering, etc.), but 99.99% of the snake oil they’re selling are just gimmicky cash grabs. Classic cases of Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.

        Let them burn their money, I say. Fuck it. Just sit back and enjoy the fire.

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      • nocturne@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Be the change you want to see.

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      • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can’t point this out! People will flip the responsibility to you!

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      • Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Be patient. Pyrrhic victories of your enemies are not to be gobbled. They are to be savoured.

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    • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Copilot is shit.

      Exactly, my company provides license for copilot and I use it, and while it has some highlights most of the time it actually is more a nuisance than help.

      It especially annoys me because it hijacks autocomplete based on types with is own that frequently has subtle bugs, so now if I have it enabled I need to be on guard all the time. With the traditional autocomplete I could just trust it to be correct.

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      • Buckshot@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is my experience. It saves a bit of typing sometimes but that’s probably cancelled out by the time spent correcting it, rewriting nonsense it produced, and reviewing my corworkers PRs that didn’t notice the nonsense.

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      • mx_smith@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You have to put it in Ask mode so it doesn’t touch your code also ChatGPT models are free so if you want to ring up an AI bill use the Claude and Sonnet models.

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      • Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can turn off the copilot autocomplete in the ide and JUST use agent/edit/ask mode

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      • AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Turn off the autocomplete, it’s shit. Do use agent mode for targeted tasks that are easy but laborious. Don’t give open ended or subjective prompts. Don’t ask it to do anything creative or novel. It has its uses. Nowhere near what the snake oil salesmen would have you believe, and probably not worth the unsubsidized cost, but for now it has uses.

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      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        i wonder if this the reason why its so bad on the phones, it autocomplete with words that arnt even close to what you are typing.

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    • NotSteve_@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Copilot is shit

      Yes and no. I find its terrible at solving more complex problems but its great at writing out tests for a function/view that covers every flow. My team went from having like 40% (shit) coverage to every PR having every case tested (inb4 they're not good tests, they are good)

      With that being said, fuck CEOs and fuck AI.

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  • Sanctus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Bro you are literally not necessary, not even the best at what you do. See everyone on codeberg.

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    • mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Codeberg is so nice.

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    • ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But who else is going to micromanage and bully the employees and strut around self-importantly doing jack shit? /s

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      • witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Replace CEOs with AI

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      • resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What employees?

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    • SeeFerns@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Codeberg rules

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  • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This part really stuck out for me:

    This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don’t get on the AI bandwagon.

    If hype doesn’t work, try threats!

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    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Which is how you know they have a good product that they have full faith in.

      when they have to blackmail, threaten, coerce, and force people to accept their product.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “The Sky Is Falling! Buy My Magic Umbrella!” is a classic hypeman’s trick.

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      • sturger@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        From Java beans™ to Magic Beans.

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    • Echolynx@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For some odd reason, this calls to mind an emotionally immature parent trying to get their toddler to eat vegetables… no reason at all…

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      • uzay@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Just that the vegetables in this case are actually fastfood and gummibears.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Threats work well for scams. People who couldn’t be bothered to move by promises of something new and better can be motivated by fear of losing what they already have.

      It’s really unfortunate psychology is looked down upon and psychologists are viewed as some “soft” profession. Zuck is a psychology major. It’s been 2 decades, most of the radical changes in which were not radical in anything other than approach to human psychology.

      BTW, I’ve learned recently that in their few initial years Khmer Rouge were not known as communist organization to even many of their members. Just an “organization”. Their rhetoric was agrarian (of course peasants are hard-working virtuous people, and from peasantry working the earth comes all the wisdom, and those corrupt and immoral people in the cities should be made work to eat), Buddhist (of course the monk-feudal system of obedience, work and ascese is the virtuous way to live, though of course we are having a rebirth now so we are even wiser), monarchist (they referred to Sihanouk’s authority almost to the end), anti-Vietnamese (that’s like Jewish for German Nazis, Vietnamese are the evil). And after them taking power for some time they still didn’t communicate anything communist. They didn’t even introduce their leadership. Nobody knew who makes the decisions in that “organization” or how it was structured. It didn’t have a face. They only officially made themselves visible as Democratic Kampuchea with communism and actual leaders when the Chinese pressured them. They didn’t need to, because they were obeyed via threat (and lots of fulfillment) of violence anyway.

      This is important in the sense that when you have the power, you don’t need to officially tell the people over which you have it that you rule them.

      So - in these 2 decades it has also came into fashion to deliberately stubbornly ignore the fact that psychology works over masses. And everybody acts as if when there’s no technical means to make people do something, then it’s not likely or possible.

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      • sturger@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You don’t have to influence a populace. Just purchase a subgroup willing to do violence on the populace.

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    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The code reviews will continue until moral improves.

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  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Get out or what? GitHub?

    I don’t understand this insistence that all developers must use AI.

    If AI made a developer better, why insist, wouldn’t the vibe coders outcompete all others?

    Wouldn’t they need non AI coders to train things?

    Or is it because this snake oil pitch only works when everyone does it so no one notices it’s detrimental effects?

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    • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Studies show AI coding tools make the task slower. It only makes people feel they’re faster, but reality is different. So it’s the snake oil pitch. Nobody can know it doesn’t really work and they keep throwing money at it in an increasingly more desperate “fake it till you make it”. Because, if this thing implodes, it’ll take a large part of the market and economy with it to do a rerun of the 2008 financial crisis.

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      • kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Can you name or link the studies? I’d love to read more abt this

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    • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s because we’re expensive. That’s the long and short of it.

      10 developers in Silicon Valley can run you $1-$2m in salary alone (it’s more expensive with benefits added).

      The industry constantly conspires to keep the salary of software engineers down. It does it cyclically too. In 2008 I was told I would have no problem getting a 6 figure job when I graduated by 2013. Of course the economy had other ideas. Same thing with the dot Com bubble.

      I currently make double what I did 10 years ago. It doesn’t actually matter much as inflation and a divorce has had my costs balloon just as much, but it’s still loads more than any other job out there.

      They’ll get what they want, one way or another. Then when none of their shit works they inevitably come back begging us and we request better pay and benefits again, because we know they do this. They don’t learn, much like those reliant on AI.

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      • Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        10 engineers in the Bay Area would easily be 2-3 million without additional benefits or support personnel

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  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Already done. I moved everything to Codeberg a year or two ago. I strongly recommend it to anyone looking for safe, non-corporate, community-oriented version control. It’s also German and non-profit.

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    • cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i urge people do do this but also donate to them too <3

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    • TotalCourage007@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Some CEO: gasp GUYS I found a new blacklisted word! Quick add non-profit to the Ai-Moderation. How dare they not pay me infinitely!

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  • rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t get it. AI is a tool. My CEO didn’t care about what tools I use, as long as I get the job done. Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done? They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.

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    • bless@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      GitHub is owned by Microsoft, and Microsoft is forcing AI on all the employees

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      • TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Honestly I’ve been recommending setting up a personal git store and cloning any project you like, I imagine the next phase of this is Microsoft making a claim that if Copilot ‘assisted’ all these projects, Microsoft is a part owner of all these projects - in a gambit to swallow and own open source.

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      • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I am surprised they aren’t embracing it… I would. You immediately get some vague non person to blame all your failures on.

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      • ksh@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They all need to be sued for unethical “Embrace, Extend and Extinguish” practices again

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    • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Because unlike with the other tools you use the CEO of your company is investing millions of dollars into AI and they want a big return on their investment.

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      • DarkSurferZA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Return? No, there is no return on investment from AI. If there really was a return to be had from Devs, you wouldn’t have to force them to use it.

        This is a saving face and covering their asses exercise. Option 1 is “We spent the money, nobody’s using it, the bubbles gonna burst”, the other choice is “if we can ramp up the usage numbers before the earnings call, we can get some of that sweet investor money to buy us out of being mauled by our shareholders”.

        It’s shitty management, making shitty decisions to cover up their previous shitty decisions

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      • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I don’t think these CEOs have quite figured out that LLM developers are creating something that can more easily replace a CEO than a developer.

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    • Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done?

      Not just that… why do they have to threat and push for people to use a tool that allegedly is fantastic and makes everything better and faster?.. the answer is that it does not work but they need to pump the numbers to keep the bubble going

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    • sobchak@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think part of it is because they think they can train models off developers, then replace them with models. The other is that the company is heavily invested in coding LLMs and the tooling for them, so they are trying to hype them up.

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    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Because like AI, your CEO is a tool.

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    • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.

      Accurate description of most managers i’ve encountered.

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    • MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not about individual contributors using the right tools to get the job done. It’s about needing fewer individual contributors in the first place.

      If AI actually accomplishes what it’s being sold as, a company can maintain or even increase its productivity with a fraction of its current spending on labor. Labor is one of the largest chunks of spending a company has so, if not the largest, so reducing that greatly reduces spending which means for same or higher company income, the net profit goes up and as always, the line must go up.

      tl;dr Modern Capitalism is why they care

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      • Tamo240@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Alternatively, following their logic, keep the number of people and achieve massively higher productivity. But they don’t want that, they want to reduce the number of people having opinions and diluting the share pool, because its not about productivity, its about exerting control.

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    • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Because they make money selling you the AI. It’s that simple.

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    • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.

      AI make money line go up. It’s not clueless, he’s trying to sell a kind of snake oil (ok, not “snake oil”, I don’t think AI is entirely bad).

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      • ragas@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Snake oil is also not entirely bad. The placebo effect actually works.

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  • Lev@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Daily reminder that Codeberg is always the good alternative to corporate bastards like this idiot

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    • foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i’m also looking forward for sourcehut.org

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  • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    GitHub is being pushy? Fucking GitHub?

    Should we tell him git doesn’t actually need GitHub? That it existed just fine before it and will continue to exist after it?

    Ima tell him…

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    • mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At some previous jobs, the newer devs would sometimes confuse the two. Its a real thing.

      Me I lived through svn, mercerial, and file vault. So glad we ended up with git as the protocol.

      Hell you can set up a git + file server and just use it without any Hub (Hob/lab/berg) if your bare metal enough. It works.

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      • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can literally run a single command to setup a remote git repository on a server that has ssh.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The Linux kernel still works off emailing patches. If such a large project doesn’t need a central repo, you don’t either.

        I use self-hosted Forgejo because it’s convenient, that’s it

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      • Glitchvid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I mean I would’ve preferred Hg.

        But to the point, I think GitHub has been instrumental in the success of Git.

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    • very_well_lost@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sadly a lot of us are stuck with GitHub. Enterprise loves it because it has “Metrics”, and most companies aren’t about to jump ship over something like AI — especially when so many of them are already doubling down on AI in other areas.

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  • otacon239@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    While I don’t wish for this future, I do look forward to being one of the few that truly understands the ‘old way’ of computing like many here on Lemmy. All that knowledge I spent my youth acquiring may very well become insanely valuable in the next few decades because so many people will treat it as irrelevant.

    I’ll feel a lot like this:

    Image

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    • JohnAnthony@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The future is now. The future is also ten, twenty and thirty years ago! According to GitHub’s Chief Executive Idiot himself:

      the skills that will matter most include system design, AI fluency, delegation, and quality assurance

      Except for “AI fluency”, this has been true for fucking ever. No serious work environment evaluates their developers on how quickly they can vomit code (or so I hope): the job is indeed about design, quality and working as a team in general.
      Which means a tool that does not help with any of these is already not a revolution. When the tool actively makes quality worse and collaboration more complicated, I get the impression it is actually detrimental.

      Mind you, I might be dead wrong. I am personally not impressed so far. It seems to be a better autocomplete, but I don’t want to throw a glass of water out the window every time I press tab.

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  • brown567@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Peace out

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  • hark@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Funny thing to say after using their code to train the shitty-ass AI. Developers don’t need AI, but AI certainly needs developers.

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    • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      AI also needs a lot of other shit to run even at a basic level. Networks, and systems… A dedicated nuclear power facility on three Mile Island.

      AI can’t run without so many people plugging in the servers, and power, and installing the operating systems… The list of supporting characters is long.

      What if we… Just… Stopped supporting the companies that were pushing AI?

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And now we understand why MSFT buying github a some years back was a really big deal actually, and not just some kind of mostly neutral, generic expansionary business move.

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    • haloduder@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, this isn’t just about profits for these companies.

      It’s about control. They want to prove that they own us, and they’re right more often than not because of useful idiots.

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  • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Would AI be better CEO’s? They would cost a lot less and probably make better decisions. Just saying.

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    • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A CEO’s main job is to spout bullshit, which is also AI’s particular talent.

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      • WindyRebel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So, yes?

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      • cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        an ai is also often wrong but confidently says they're not wrong so that sounds perfect for ceos too

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      • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        A CEOs main job is to be the fall guy when the company goes fubar.

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  • borokov@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Moved from github to gitlab when it was acquired by Microsoft. Moved from gitlab to codeberg last month because I don’t need a behemoth with dozens of services I never use to store my 3 shitty code files.

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  • IcedRaktajino@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If those are my two options…start looking for my projects on Codeberg I guess.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Can this guy really be considered a CEO if GitHub is a fully owned subsidiary of Microsoft?

    You know Microsoft, the company that is heavily invested in OpenAI and is spending hundreds of billions to try to make AI happen?

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  • zephiriz@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s funny how so many people make big businesses and think they are the GOAT when in reality the true GOAT is Linus Torvalds.

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  • krimson@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Keep inflating that bubble boys.

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Expectation: High quality code done quickly by AI.

    Reality: Low quality AI generated bug reports being spammed in the hopes the spammers can get bug bounty for fixing them, with AI of course.

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  • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He probably spent millions of his owe money on AI stocks.

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  • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Aight Imma head out

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  • medem@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Managing agents to achieve outcomes may sound unfulfilling to many”

    No shit, man.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    real messages: embrace AI, because i still need to grift from investor’s money, because AI is just a hype"

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  • Fedditor385@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    AI can only deliver answers based on training code developers manually wrote, so hod do they expect to train AI in the future if there is no more developers writing code by themselves?

    Also, small fact is that they invested so much money into AI, that they can’t allow it to fail. Such comments never came from people who depend on AI adoption.

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  • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t trust Copilot to make basic suggestions, let alone edits, on an html file.

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  • TommySoda@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They are so desperate to push this and it’s pretty obvious why. Companies have dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into AI like it was going to revolutionize literally everything and are now forcing it on people to make up for the fact that they were wrong. Don’t get me wrong, AI has its uses, but their whole “solution for everything” mentality is really starting to backfire and they are just trying to make a profit off their investments. Basically “we spent way more money on this than we should have so you better use it or else.”

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  • imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sounds like a desperate tactic to show value to investors who are skeptical of all the insane level of cap ex… not to mention all the customers who don’t want to pay for this garbage

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  • cecilkorik@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If they intend to pay me the same amount to work slower and think less, that’s their choice and I will be happy to help them out pursuing it. ChatGPT, explain to my boss how I’m using AI for everything I work on now.

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  • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Guy who runs wanting AI service (Copilot, currently being eaten by Claude Code and Qwen Coder) says use his AI service or you’ll be out of a job.

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  • alvyn@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is his message: “let us scrape your code or go away, and we gonna scrape it anyway” note: scrape = steal

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