You can always count on the ceos of smaller companies that are owned by larger mega corporations to tell it to ya straight with no bias
GitHub CEO delivers stark message to developers: Embrace AI or get out.
Submitted 8 months ago by mesamunefire@piefed.social to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8
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Juice@midwest.social 8 months ago
JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 months ago
Especially when Microsoft said for employees AI is no longer optional.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I can already tell the guy is a huge fan of cheeto prez.
kadup@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I really don’t understand CEO’s obsession with AI… is it because when they give LLMs a go they feel smart and finally capable of doing the things others could do but they were too dumb to engage with, like reasonably good writing or drawing pictures?
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
My guess?
anthropomorphism.
People are assigning thought and specifically intent to the replies that they get from ML and LLMs. They don’t realize that the model is essentially just an unchecked auto correct that uses the entirety of everything posted on the public Internet as it’s basis for what to reply to a prompt, the same way your phone tries to predict what word you want to say next based on what you’ve typed so far.
It’s just a lot bigger and more complex than the auto correct and word prediction that your phone has.
But that’s it. That’s all it does. It’s not thinking. It’s not intelligent. It has no intent. It cannot cognitively understand what it’s saying or doing.
Taking to “AI” is basically having the average of all Internet content as a basis for the reply. That means it’s going to make shit up, tell you to eat glue, and generally fuck around.
But most people seem to assign it human-like traits of reasoning and intent, when there isn’t any. CEOs included.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 months ago
My honest take, it’s a bubble. Everyone sees the (seemingly) impressive things people do with AI and ask “why can’t you do that?”
Doomsider@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It will be their undoing. AIs are primed to replace the most expensive jobs first. I guess, in a way, they are training their replacement.
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
It’s the ultimate yes man.
rumba@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
He probably spent millions of his owe money on AI stocks.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Considering he’s a Microsoft employee and Microsoft is leaning hard into the AI craze? His stock options are all dependent on this lol
db2@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This makes me want it to fail harder.
tmp0730@programming.dev 8 months ago
I remember when the barrier to entry as a software developer was the cost of tools like compilers. You had to rely on your school or employer to provide them. Most often, people pirated them. With current AI, pirating is not an option.
In the US, everyone is much more prosperous than they were 50 years ago. They don’t blink about paying $50/month for a personal phone plan. They pay for multiple streaming plans. They have money coming out their ears. So paying $20-100/month might not discourage a lot of would-be vibe coders. But I don’t think this is the case as much in other parts of the world.
Like it or not, agents are shaping up to be important tools. In a world with free IDEs, free forges, free compilers, etc. , the playing field is about to become less level. It’s a bit of a momentum check.
Alaik@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Everyone is much more prosperous now than 50 years ago?
tmp0730@programming.dev 8 months ago
tmp07 In the US? Yes. Absolutely.
CodeBlooded@programming.dev 8 months ago
A few years ago, there was potential for dirty looks coming your way if you suggested that you may be using AI for generating code. Soon, it’s going to be frowned upon to boast that you don’t use AI tools (because you’re probably wasting time).
zephiriz@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
It’s funny how so many people make big businesses and think they are the GOAT when in reality the true GOAT is Linus Torvalds.
sturger@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Also remember that Torvalds invented Git and gave it away for free. The Corps are stealing the free software and leveraging it to force everyone to give them money instead.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
The Github CEO didn’t even “make” the big business. He was appointed by Microsoft after they purchased it and their first pick for CEO of Github resigned after 2 years.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Agreed. And he is very humble about it in interviews.
blackjam_alex@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I still remember when some people said Microsoft buying GitHub wouldn’t be a problem in the future.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
This part really stuck out for me:
This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don’t get on the AI bandwagon.
If hype doesn’t work, try threats!
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Threats work well for scams. People who couldn’t be bothered to move by promises of something new and better can be motivated by fear of losing what they already have.
It’s really unfortunate psychology is looked down upon and psychologists are viewed as some “soft” profession. Zuck is a psychology major. It’s been 2 decades, most of the radical changes in which were not radical in anything other than approach to human psychology.
BTW, I’ve learned recently that in their few initial years Khmer Rouge were not known as communist organization to even many of their members. Just an “organization”. Their rhetoric was agrarian (of course peasants are hard-working virtuous people, and from peasantry working the earth comes all the wisdom, and those corrupt and immoral people in the cities should be made work to eat), Buddhist (of course the monk-feudal system of obedience, work and ascese is the virtuous way to live, though of course we are having a rebirth now so we are even wiser), monarchist (they referred to Sihanouk’s authority almost to the end), anti-Vietnamese (that’s like Jewish for German Nazis, Vietnamese are the evil). And after them taking power for some time they still didn’t communicate anything communist. They didn’t even introduce their leadership. Nobody knew who makes the decisions in that “organization” or how it was structured. It didn’t have a face. They only officially made themselves visible as Democratic Kampuchea with communism and actual leaders when the Chinese pressured them. They didn’t need to, because they were obeyed via threat (and lots of fulfillment) of violence anyway.
This is important in the sense that when you have the power, you don’t need to officially tell the people over which you have it that you rule them.
So - in these 2 decades it has also came into fashion to deliberately stubbornly ignore the fact that psychology works over masses. And everybody acts as if when there’s no technical means to make people do something, then it’s not likely or possible.
sturger@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
You don’t have to influence a populace. Just purchase a subgroup willing to do violence on the populace.
Echolynx@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
For some odd reason, this calls to mind an emotionally immature parent trying to get their toddler to eat vegetables… no reason at all…
uzay@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Just that the vegetables in this case are actually fastfood and gummibears.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The code reviews will continue until moral improves.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“The Sky Is Falling! Buy My Magic Umbrella!” is a classic hypeman’s trick.
sturger@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
From Java beans™ to Magic Beans.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Which is how you know they have a good product that they have full faith in.
when they have to blackmail, threaten, coerce, and force people to accept their product.
falcunculus@jlai.lu 8 months ago
This is […] a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don’t get on the AI bandwagon.
Very insightful for me to read this. If AI in its present state was as useful as it is advertised, it wouldn’t need such apocalyptic language.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s almost exactly the same sales strategy as crypto and nft.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
And now we understand why MSFT buying github a some years back was a really big deal actually, and not just some kind of mostly neutral, generic expansionary business move.
haloduder@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
Yes, this isn’t just about profits for these companies.
It’s about control. They want to prove that they own us, and they’re right more often than not because of useful idiots.
xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
GitHub is the worst git platform out there, I want version control not fucking Facebook for programming
Anyway,another point for "I’m just gonna make some money in this field nd fuck right off doing something actually useful "
art@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Risky talking down to developers. Does the CEO not know that Git is like REALLY easy to move?!
Auth@lemmy.world 8 months ago
people are so apathetic these days that ceo’s feel comfortable publically saying this shit. They know there will be no major user loss.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Time to self host this bitch!
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Selfhost what? Git? Thats just a version control software. The only reason Github/Gitlab/etc exists is because people wanted a central repo to work from.
tmp0730@programming.dev 8 months ago
I don’t think this is true. People didn’t want to host their own. It’s a pretty big task that takes time and attention away from other activities. Especially if you want your repo to face the public. Just keeping it secure can be a part-time job.
Perhaps it is becoming more feasible these days.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Just in case if you’re on drugs, forgejo.org
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
……what?
chunes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I already got out in March when github decided to close my account because I didn’t want to involve my phone with my github account.
Codeberg has been a much more pleasant experience.
etherphon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So glad I’m a giant fuck up and went to school for coding but never did anything with it, at least I don’t have to deal with finding a new job now because fuck all this AI shit.
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If your job involves any analysis, you’re next. Once they work out the remaining robotic kinks, labor intensive jobs are cooked. You will not escape.
etherphon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oh I’m quite aware of that I just bought some time, my other hobbies being music, video art and graphics design all of which AI has already taken a giant shit all over.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I am embracing AI. For better or worse, it’s here to stay. The issue with the current AI models is that they are over-hyped. It would just lead to a bubble burst like had happened with dotcom. The full capability of AI will probably improve in ten or fifteen years.
jj4211@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ll agree that it’s here to stay, but not so sure it’s going to obviously improve. I have had access to various LLMs and while they are useful, they are very obviously limited and have kind of been at that level for a while now. Feel like they’ve largely gotten as “capable” as the strategy is going to get, and now the game is on to make some things friendlier for LLM consumption to get that capability more usefully available.
At least in the context of coding.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Same, but I still don’t find it particularly useful. It does help in the research phase and maybe bootstrapping, but not as much for regular development.
I use it where it makes sense, but it’s certainly over-hyped.
stoly@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Is it, though? AI has been around to stay for 20 years. The difference really is that a bunch of tech bros are worshiping it while trade rags talk it up.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The previous iterations of LLMs is not even that close enough to be called AI unlike the current ones we have right now. In many years to come, the AI will improve.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Damn, Microsoft rolling out the “Fuck You” hits lately. Allowing hate speech against Transgender people on LinkedIn, and now this shit on Github, not even mentioning the absolute bullshit their Desktop is these days.
Never been a better time to be eying alternatives. Fuck you Github CEO, fuck you LinkedIn, fuck you Microsoft, and fuck you Satya Nadella! 🖕🖕🖕🖕
frostysauce@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Don’t forget they are committed to assisting Israel commit genocide in Gaza.
puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
[deleted]JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 months ago
Use Codium instead of VS Code. VS Code is fauxpen source.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I refuse to use C# as a matter of principle at this point.
notannpc@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Gargle my balls or get out.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
GitHub is being pushy? Fucking GitHub?
Should we tell him git doesn’t actually need GitHub? That it existed just fine before it and will continue to exist after it?
Ima tell him…
very_well_lost@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Sadly a lot of us are stuck with GitHub. Enterprise loves it because it has “Metrics”, and most companies aren’t about to jump ship over something like AI — especially when so many of them are already doubling down on AI in other areas.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 8 months ago
At some previous jobs, the newer devs would sometimes confuse the two. Its a real thing.
Me I lived through svn, mercerial, and file vault. So glad we ended up with git as the protocol.
Hell you can set up a git + file server and just use it without any Hub (Hob/lab/berg) if your bare metal enough. It works.
Glitchvid@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mean I would’ve preferred Hg.
But to the point, I think GitHub has been instrumental in the success of Git.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The Linux kernel still works off emailing patches. If such a large project doesn’t need a central repo, you don’t either.
I use self-hosted Forgejo because it’s convenient, that’s it
aesthelete@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You can literally run a single command to setup a remote git repository on a server that has ssh.
kokesh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
… Ok!
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 8 months ago
Well, given git is decentralized and self-hostable…
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 8 months ago
I hate to say it, but this is going to be so much worse than cloud everything when it all comes crashing down.
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 8 months ago
CEO = Marketing with a different title. Trust the words out of their mouths the same.
Jaded99@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ah yes, the noble Caveman Coder, hunched over their keyboard like it’s a slab of stone, grunting at a missing semicolon for the past three hours. Meanwhile, the AI user already built the same app, deployed it, A/B tested it, and had time for a coffee break and existential crisis. But no worries, Caveman insists “real coders solve things manually” as they slowly reinvent the wheel… square-shaped, of course. Fire bad. IDE scary. AI tool? “Witchcraft! Burn the witch 🧹
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
And the vibe coder is also blissfully unaware of all the zero days he/she has also deployed along with his prompted autocomplete output of a program.
Great work! Very efficient!
JTskulk@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I got out when Microsoft bought it, glad I did. I don’t want you training your shitty AI on my shitty code.
TIL Github has a CEO.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Essentially… Leave now, or contribute to training your replacement.
Jaded99@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wait so you guys choose to sit and code something for a month instead of for a day? I don’t have that kinda time and I need to make money fast. What took me a month now takes me a day. AI has reduced my workload by 90%
Fuck manual typing and muscle memory and hundreds of hours infront of a screen. Only 0.43% of the population can write code. I am safe. I will never lose the ability and my services will always be needed.
At the rate that ppl are now developing programs you WILL be left in the dark ages typing everything manually. I have a wife to please and adventures that await.
hark@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Funny thing to say after using their code to train the shitty-ass AI. Developers don’t need AI, but AI certainly needs developers.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
AI also needs a lot of other shit to run even at a basic level. Networks, and systems… A dedicated nuclear power facility on three Mile Island.
AI can’t run without so many people plugging in the servers, and power, and installing the operating systems… The list of supporting characters is long.
What if we… Just… Stopped supporting the companies that were pushing AI?