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I did this accidentally the other day.
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Submitted 7 months ago by misterdoctor@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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thatradomguy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
The way i see it, the right to free speech is a two-sided thing. If there’s a right to free speech for one side, there’s also a right not to listen for the other side. It’s ok to block a community to not have to see their content if you’re not allowed to talk back at them.
glitchdx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
gonna be honest, I don’t read the sidebar for 99% of subs that pop up in the all feed. Hell, I didn’t even check what sub I’m in now until halfway through typing this comment.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 7 months ago
I’m fairly sure that only people that use Lemmy are: communist trans women that are Linux aficionados. They may or may have also dabbled in being a femboy and being a furry.
Joking aside, it’s time to get serious.
Dear Men,
If you a man who understands why women need to feel space. This comment isn’t for you. Feel free to upvote me and downvote all my enemies.
When women (cis and trans) don’t feel safe they leave spaces. This also applies to men too. No one wants to be somewhere were they don’t feel safe. When a bunch of women leave that means the ratio of men to women goes higher until critical mass of all men and no women. When that happens, we have what is called a "sausage party". Now some men would love a sausage party. Ask yourself, do you want a sausage party?
If no, stop getting your balls in a twist. WomensStuff is not hurting anyone, they’re not going out brigarding or harassing or picking fights with other people. All users of WomensStuff want is a place where they can get together and talk about things that matter to them. If women feel safe on Lemmy, you don’t get a sausage party. There is also the risk of scaring off all the wonderful original women content creators of Lemmy NSFW. The fact is women are awesome and there should be more of them.
Now, if you want a sausage party and recognizance that women are people who deserve to feel safe. You can create your own sausage party community. You do you.
Now, if you want don’t want/want sausage party and are toxic asshole. Go start your own instance, where you all can circle jerk each other while complaining why women don’t want to be around you. Hopefully, one day you’ll come to the realization the reason why women don’t want to be around you is because your asshole. With that realization you’ll come to the conclusion that women want to feel safe in a world that doesn’t allow them that freedom.
Cause at the end of the day, WomensStuff **DOES NOT AFFECT YOUR LIFE IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY. ** Go be angry at the slow stripping of rights of anyone who isn’t a white male. Or how major countries are taking their sweet ass time to recognizance the Israel is committing genocide. Or that the rich keep getting richer while the rest of us worse off each year. Or how global climate change is going to end us as a species. If you have the time and energy to get mad at small community on Lemmy, you’re life is fucking easy.
Sincerely,
Me
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I regret that I have but one up vote to give.
Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Damn, lotta moid seething itt
zipsglacier@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Shout out to OP for recognizing the struggle and respecting the rule (I thought this was a 196 post at first!)
Men will lurk for years without ever commenting in some communities, and then (ITT) lose their minds when confronted with the possibility of a community they are welcome to read, but asked not to comment. Bros, you were already doing that!! Yes, it’s hard, that’s what this post is about. But you can do it!!
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
what about the men who don’t lurk for years but actively comment all the time?
zipsglacier@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Lol, I bet you can figure it out.
absolutejank@lemmy.world 7 months ago
fuck that bullshit. while they do have the right to exclude who they want, i have the right to be harshly critical. and i will say that any community where one is compelled to disclose any part of their identity as a requirement to participate is a toxic one. i suspect any account is subject to being pressured into proving they aren’t a man if the mods want to harass someone that way. this is why i am not and will never be a feminist in a million years.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
this is why i am not and will never be a feminist in a million years.
while i get your sentiment, there’s a lot of difference between feminism as it’s practiced today and feminism as it should be.
i do think that females are superior creatures and deserve all the admiration and respect
but the way it’s currently implemented is horseshit bullshit. it revolves too much around mocking men and creating an artificial and unnecessary schism in society instead of making sure that everybody can lead a good life, including strong social safety nets (economically) and advocating for things that benefit everyone.
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You had a point, than you killed it with the unrelated last sentence lol.
bawdy@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I am pretty disappointed eh. For obvious reasons.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
what’s obvious to one might not be obvious to another
Asmodeus@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This entire thread makes me embarrassed to be on lemmy. On the other hand, a college course one of my kids is taking is using this thread as an example of men simultaneously demanding inclusion in all spaces while also actively antagonizing other people out of spaces. Say hi to Langara College, whiny men! I’m embarrassed to be counted as one of you.
zipsglacier@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Lol, I wasn’t going to chime in to this train wreck, but this is awesome. Hi Langara! I hope you learn what not to do here. Also worth noting: it’s easy, and good, to see how stupid the olds can be. It’s harder, by a lot, to see which new things are stupid in a new way (or newly packaged way). Good luck.
misterdoctor@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Asmodeus, not the very same Asmodeus that stalked Mossflower Wood, surely?
bawdy@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Wait are you embarrassed because of Langara College? The 1,645th top higher education provider in Canada?
MintyAnt@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I bet you placed 1,645/1,645 in your high schools standardized tests
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Im a dude who posts on femcels a lot because i like the memes. but I kinda like dick so iono i think i get a pass?
MintyAnt@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Oh no :(
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Stupid expectation to have. If they want women posts/comments only, lemmy needs a feature for communities not to be advertised on the main page unless subscribed, to keep people from accidentally replying. Or does that feature exist and they are intentionally not using it?
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
that would make discovery of the sub by women way harder
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Im not gonna adjust my behavior you should adjust your expectations
least entitled male
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Honestly, excluding any gender from commenting on the public internet is fucking braindead stupid. Also - how do they define “woman”?
Emotional@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
what makes it “braindead stupid”?
Bubbey@lemmy.world 7 months ago
[deleted]fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Which is… ?
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 7 months ago
Anyone who claims to be?
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
you can read the rules and sidebar on !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al
REDACTED@infosec.pub 7 months ago
From my own experience, women-only spaces tend to revolve around men, ironically. I can almost bet my left ball on the fact that top post on that sub is about men, not women.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
anything that excludes you is a “echo chamber circlejerk”? that’s a pretty harmful way to think. You should do some introspection and double-check if this is a mentality you want to live your life by.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 7 months ago
anything that excludes you is a “echo chamber circlejerk”?
This is such a shallow and stupid way of thinking. Was this your best strawman argument?
You should do some introspection and double-check if this is a mentality you want to live your life by.
I do. I generally look at groups who disregard or make fun of others purely based on race or gender as not mentally healthy places to be in, like incel subreddits.
The formula tends to also be quite simple - take something a man/woman says, then find a funny counter-argument in the thread, screenshot the two together and you got a post. Does not matter which gender we’re talking about, it’s pretty much always the same. Some reddit subreddits were borderline extremist in this approach, showing signs of aggression or calls for violence towards women.
UpperBroccoli@feddit.org 7 months ago
Tisk tisk tisk. Bottom surgery for free, huh? Clever scheme.
MBM@lemmings.world 7 months ago
If not commenting is too hard… maybe a setting where you can only comment if you’ve subscribed would be cool
ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe 7 months ago
easy self-check for these things:
is it OK for group A to do X? is it OK for group B to do X? …
if the answer is not the same for all the groups you can reasonably think of, something about your morals is off.
not everyone will agree whether X is OK to do. but at least you can detect, whether you are biased yourself.
Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s okay for toddlers to attend daycare. It is not okay for race jockeys to attend daycare.
Guess I need to check my biases.
MintyAnt@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Easy self-check on these comments:
Does the poster have a name like “TOXIC WASTE”?
If so, seek advice elsewhere
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
A bit of nuance would go a long way to not generalize things here…
Jax@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I just want to point out that ITT there are people who simultaneously refuse to recognize how men only spaces are demonized and refuse to back down about women needing women only spaces.
You fucking idiots are the reason the Proud Boys happen. Your thoughts are stupid and destructive in the same way that someone driving too slow on the highway is.
unphazed@lemmy.world 7 months ago
There are legitimate needs for the mythopoetic male movement. Problem is, it has been abused and warped by mysogyny into the Proud Boys, Andrew Taint, Jordan Peterson, etc. to exploit vulnerable males for profit and power at the cost of cultural degredation. Like all things, it’s nuanced and overshadowed by the bad faith actors
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Who tf demonizes men spaces? There’s is wrong with men. There’s something wrong with being a fucking Nazi, that’s why THOSE spaces get demonized; kinda weird that that was your first thought when talking about ‘men spaces’.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Refuse to recognize how male only spaces are demonized
You
Valmond@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Much anger here.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
If women only spaces didn’t inevitably devolve into shitting on men I might be inclined to feel otherwise. I hate groups that do the same to women, give me a genuine reason why I shouldn’t feel the same about men?
Maybe I’m wrong, maybe the vast majority of posts have nothing to do with men. According to some of the other comments here, I’m not.
Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Where in this thread are people doing that? I only see a few comments in support of male support groups and none demonizing them.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
What I find interesting here is that this all self identification and self reporting.
There’s no mechanism in Lemmy to force a user into such identification, so it is all voluntary.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s not voluntary. Comments are deleted if you don’t reveal your gender.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 7 months ago
Comments are deleted if you don’t reveal your gender.
How would you do that? Isn’t gender a social construct based on self-identification rather than your physical body that can be fluid & vary from day to day? Isn’t a woman anyone who claims to be?
Some activists even say there is no such thing as a “male body”
A penis is not a male body part. It’s just an unusual body part for a woman.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Well, if the user that started that community is an alt of who I think it is, that… that would track.
misterdoctor@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes, the users at WomensStuff are banking on Lemmy users reading the rules and then adhering to them because it’s a respectful thing to do.
Unfortunately, many men on Lemmy have found this too burdensome a cross to bear.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
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UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Deleted my comment in solidarity with said rule.
PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Clearly the solution here is a publicly seen WomenStuff with whitelisted posters, and an ancillary public community called PeanitsGallery where all talk about the WomenStuff.
hypeerror@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Spell it with a double e for max effect. PeenitsGallery
BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
Peanits gallery is a great name actually
WillFord27@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Why are there so many dudes here that can’t handle the concept of not sharing their opinion on everything? I think it’s valuable to learn to just listen sometimes. A community for people commonly talked over, mansplained to, and not taken seriously should be seen as a good thing. As a cis man, I think there’s a lot of value in that for my demographic as well, because diversity is interesting.
Also I think a lot of people are willingly missing the point of this post! Nobody is going to crucify you for accidentally commenting, it’s up to you to realize your mistake. Honor system.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com 7 months ago
Well, as someone with a moral compass, when I see disinformation being spread, I feel obligated to dispute it…
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s rich, coming from some claiming month/date/year is objectively the best way to write dates xD
SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 7 months ago
Consider that the Father of All Selection Biases at work here: Of course we’ll hear comments, from all the men who can’t handle the concept of not sharing their opinion, sharing their opinion of not being able to share their opinion.
mugthol@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
I’ll try to explain why women want and need a women only space here.
It is actually quite easy and has mostly to do with how many men there are on Lemmy compared to women.
Let’s say I post a question on WomensStuff. I might get 10 answers from women and one answer from a very nice and respectful men. So, no harm was done, right?
Well if you allow everybody to participate you will quickly get a lot of “not a woman, but …” type of answers. The 10 original comments made by the demographic that was actually targeted will be quickly drowned out.
This is how every post is on here. That is just how it is but that’s ok. What we want is just one small part of Lemmy where we can talk among ourselves without being overshadowed. Just accept that because our lovely mods will not back down.
If you’re tired of seeing our posts, no worries! Just block the community or asked to be banned. No harm will be done and we can continue with our nice supportive community.
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Oh ffs, I thought that rule only applied to posts and comments going “as a man…”. God damn it, I was just trying to make sure my perspective isn’t echo-chambered and my one or two comments there were appropriate and being supportive to the women who participate there.
Mia culpa I guess, mods of that sub feel free to go and delete my comments in that sub if they violated the rule because I’ll leave it up to your judgement to decide.
DimFisher@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I just came here to say it’s a men’s world they live in it and many times they hate us for it, but it’s the truth.
Gonzako@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah, they can be real mean in their locker talk
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 7 months ago
Blocked that comm, just so I wouldn’t accidentally violate that rule. No sense in getting emotionally invested in a post I’m not allowed to discuss.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
🫡
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 7 months ago
This discussion reminds me of a party/orgy/something I saw being promoted and in the description it says that it was female/trans oriented (female and male trans included), but that they weren’t going to police anyone’s gender, but asked cis males to respect and didn’t participate.
JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
This has always been one of the top tier funniest meme images to me.
Gustephan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I just block that community. Not like out of malice or anything but it prevents me from commenting on a post without looking at the comm name. I try to make a habit of not spending time in places where I am not welcome