Murdered. Not killed, murdered.
Both technically true, but the way they write killed suggests it wasn’t murder in cold blood, an act of war against another country to bully and control them.
Murder.
Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon
Submitted 9 months ago by AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
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obinice@lemmy.world 9 months ago
jsomae@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
the word “kill” is typically used in warfare, not murder, so I’m not sure why you would say in this instance that it was written as though it wasn’t an act of war.
waitmarks@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I think assassinated is the appropriate term here as it’s politically motivated.
GoldenDude@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Comments going against Israel - so you agree that Iran should have nuclear weapons?
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Only because genocidal zionazi supremacists control the us, and by extension g7+nato, Iran should not pursue nuclear energy, because Israel would always accuse them of pursuing more. There is no economic value for nuclear energy. Solar + batteries much more effective.
Still, negotiations to that end are far more human. I wouldn’t want you to have nuclear weapons, but killing you should have a better reason Than my supremacy.
Triasha@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s the only rational course of action we have left for them. They would be insane not to try. I don’t know if they will succeed. Mosad seems all powerful, but they will certainly try.
Suffa@lemmy.wtf 9 months ago
Comments going for Israel - so you agree that Israel should have nuclear weapons?
Bomb Israel, don’t let those Nazi’s have nukes.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Absolutely. It is crystal fucking clear that Iran will never be safe until it has nuclear deterrence.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
It’s hypocritical for the United States to demand that other nations not have nuclear weapons when we have so many. The safest path is to use diplomacy to achieve a peaceful, mutual disarmament. Either everybody gets nukes or nobody does.
Stubb@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
What is the endgame here? They certainly can’t be delusional enough to assume that killing civilians or bombing facilities will ingratiate them with the Iranian people to overthrow the government or even making the government surrender; how many more people will they radicalize through this process? How many more lives do they want to destroy? When will the middle east have peace?
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Well, I think Israel are horrible villains here, but I also think Iran might be a lot better off without the theocratic regime and with disarmed warfare capabilities. In a more ideal world, Iran would de-escelate and make amiccable relations with the west to avoid any future conflicts. In the world we actually live in, Israel is probably hankering for a hunk of that pie and will expand their borders.
Jayjader@jlai.lu 9 months ago
I have gotten cynical to the point of assuming the “endgame” here is properly kicking off WW3, so that Trump gets an excuse to drop a nuke or two on an adversary.
“The last time we had a world war, we won it! We were the best - and we won it with our nukes, our big beautiful nukes - it’s really a shame we haven’t used them since, don’t you think? We ended the war by dropping 2 on Japan, and now Japan is our best friend. Why don’t we drop some nukes on Iran? Don’t we want them to be our friend?”
Jayjader@jlai.lu 9 months ago
Also, wasn’t Trump the reason the largest non-nuclear bomb in the USA arsenal was first used in combat? The bomb that had never been deployed in the almost 15 years since it’s creation specifically because the US military thought it would create too many civilian casualties?
The same Trump that allegedly wanted to nuke hurricanes to disrupt them before they hit the US’s coast?
The dude just wants to play with the shiny toys and see things go “boom”. He has literally stated to his own biographer that
When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different."
I suppose it suits him just fine that Israel is now flirting with open warfare with their neighbors.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Or the evangelists in Trump’s ear are trying to bring about the end of the world to kick off the rapture or some goofy ass psycho shit.
RedFrank24@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Narnia? What an odd name. What did they kill them with, a lion or a wardrobe?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The Lyin’ Bitch and the War Globe.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I think the name schemes were themed around fantasy fiction because that is what the AI produces and therefor its outputs need to be vetted properly.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
10 assassinations of relatively innocent people simultaneously. Straight out of Walter white’s playbook when we went full villain.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 9 months ago
They aren’t innocent, they are knowingly creating a devastating weapon of mass destruction for a regime who has declared that they intend to use it. While I don’t support this sort of unprovoked attack, I can’t get too worked up over the demise of literally mad scientists.
0x0@infosec.pub 9 months ago
I too find Boeing engineers and other factory workers valid targets for murder. Nice finding a fellow.
96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 9 months ago
Surely this will work wonders, they’ll never recover from this. Also they won’t have any incentive, because why would you even consider building a bomb in such a friendly environment? Why would there need to be an axis of resistance, let’s surrender unconditionally like Trump suggested, because clearly the Israel and the US are to be trusted. If only these damned Iranians remained at the negotiating table while we bombed the shit out of them unprovoked. I guess they don’t want peace. /s
Aganim@lemmy.world 9 months ago
And don’t forget the US will again get to decide to arbitrarily discard any nuclear agreements, which is of course another great incentive for Iran to not start a military nuclear program.
perestroika@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Commentary:
You’re linking to the Times of Israel. Since the news outlet operates in Israel, it is subject to censorship by the IDF, and they have chosen to use their power to censor the article.
If you want information about assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists, get their list from Wikipedia and google each of their names, looking for descriptions.
en.wikipedia.org/…/Assassinations_of_Iranian_nucl…
My guess: guided missile or drone strikes. All the assassinations happened at a time of Israeli air strikes over Iran. Whatever weapon was used, was deployed from airplanes. Given the high profile of the targets, Israeli intelligence agencies did their job this time (in Gaza, they seem to be feeding their troops AI slop).
carlossurf@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Jesus they killed everyone in the apartment complex including their kids how is this not a war crime?!?
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Where did it say that? Are you creating outrage just for the sake of outrage? What’s the benefit?
BigPotato@lemmy.world 9 months ago
From my reading of the article, that was a hypothetical. Not to say it hasn’t happened multiple times but I’m pretty sure that “may” was doing some heavy lifting.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Under the rules of war, no. The rules of war does not consider civilians casualties a crime if they happen while targeting military or military support, like weapons manufacturing.
If it were, then you could just fire missiles at your enemies from the tops of apartment buildings and they couldn’t do anything about it. Yeah Hamas did do that and did make claims of war crimes whenever they got hit, but not actually a war crime. Because if it were it would encourage every military in the world to use human shields and every war becomes as horrible as the war in Gaza.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What did we say about based takes on Lemmy?
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Wait these genocidal idiots really called it “Operation Narnia”?
wtf
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Meanwhile Iran is always promising to ethnically cleanse Jews from the Middle East constantly chanting “death to Israel” and they call what they do “Operation True Promise” when targeting civilian population centers while saying “Either you must choose ‘gradual death’ in hellish life in shelters or save your lives from the 24-hour missile rain and flee as soon as possible from the lands usurped by your ancestors, so that you may survive.” I guess that’s a sign of a healthy society?
There’s also Operation Rising Lion. Iran’s flag used to have a Lion on it. Israel doesn’t seem to want to destroy Iran unlike Iran’s “True Promise” to wipe Israel off the map. But you can take “Rising Lion” to mean they want Iran to rise from being a country run by authoritarian religious nutjobs.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
These are some really wild and generalizing claims about Iran and Iranian people and honestly you should be ashamed of yourself.
Stamets@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The only difference between Israel and a terrorst organization is PR.
96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 9 months ago
And religion. Christians love Israel. No matter what, because the Bible. Yes, it’s a fantastic argument. And as long as the victims are muslims, there are a lot of Christians who will support Israel. If you’re not disgusted by the wars in the old testament, why would you in present day?
Navarian@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Let me fix the headline - Israel commits more state sponsored terrorist attacks in neighbouring countries.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 months ago
The weapon: 💣
cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Where’s Daddy? wtf
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Literally rip BOZO
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
How can people be so fucking stupid as to keep their key personnel vulnerable like that?
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 9 months ago
There are very few habitable places in the world not susceptible to airstrikes. The bombs dropped on nuclear facilities last night are claimed to be able to penetrate 60 meters of earth before exploding.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 9 months ago
How can people be so fucking stupid as to believe a pissrahelli source.
They lie when they open their mouthvga@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
They’re an Islamic Republic. That puts a certain kind of upper limit to their intelligence.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 9 months ago
one racist statement to gaslight the forum
no further replies
“the troll left his calling card”
“it says pussy”
agelord@lemmy.world 9 months ago
As opposed to the upper limit of morality and ethics of those who are carrying out the unprovoked attacks?
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Oh are they also bombing refugees that they themselves created? My goodness, someone should stop that!
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I mean it hadn’t happened before so it is understandable
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Hey don’t worry about Mossad and the USA, just close your curtains tonight in the house you’ve lived in for 40 years. You’ll be fine.
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It’s probably a lot more than 0.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 9 months ago
or allowing israeli settlers to forcibly take palestinian homes, i saw all those videos onr eddit, where they were rushing tino areas to sieze homes.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Proof?
philipsdirk@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
What do you need proof of? The fact that the comment is speculating? It’s not stated as fact…
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I don’t think there’s proof yet, but Isreal has shown zero qualms about killing innocent civilians.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
Triasha@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You have been playing too much rainbow six. There are no good guys in the halls of power looking after us.
There are only the rich fucks over here and the rich fucks over there pulling the levers of power.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 9 months ago
This isn’t how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The alternative is “drop bombs”.
Rounding up leaders and putting them on trial seems like a more civilized international approach than engaging in the same bloodthirsty, explosive, surprise-murder that is literally the whole problem here.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Trying to give Iran nukes is pretty close to accompliss to mass murder. Iran is a terrorist state.
Anyone should reasonably be trying to negotiate to avoid loss of life but at the end of the day killing them may be the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the would be target.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Terrorism is internationally recognized as when a group or organization unaffiliated with a recognized government uses violence to achieve a political goal. “Terrorist state” is a contradiction in terms.
Netanyahu is leading a genocide and starting wars, all to avoid the regular democratic and legal process of Israel. Why are you carrying water for him?
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Isreal is a terrorist state, the US is a terrorist state. Assasinating people or blowing them up on their way to work is terror. Blowing up pagers in homes while a child is bring it to daddy is terrorism.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
You mean like when Gerald Bull was killed? Surely an accident.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
Which is why I am sitting in disbelief that Iran could be so monumentally stupid.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
There’s a rules-based international order. We make the rules, and guess who gives the orders.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 9 months ago
What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just…killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!
mhague@lemmy.world 9 months ago
They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.
Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!
eletes@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I guess this is what they meant by they had something planned whether the US bombed Fordow or not
pyre@lemmy.world 9 months ago
- what a stupid fucking name
- why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
- why does no one ask question 2
Mongostein@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
The Zola algorithm is real
Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?
Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.
(Sorry, that’s my “Bush did 9/11” moment)
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Few things say “you need a nuke, you need it right now” like foreign states killing your scientists, in their beds in the dead of night
blitzen@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
I generally don’t believe Iran was on its way to building nuclear weapons, only nuclear energy. But, if we were to entertain for a moment the notion that they were, this is all pretty badass no?
But, since it’s not the case this whole thing is frightening. Israel is a terrorist state and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.