Submitted 2 months ago by AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel’s current actions say this wasn’t a simple “what if…” contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.
This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.
They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.
It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.
I hate that USA is enabling them,
USA is just as guilty as the genocidal cult, perhaps even more so.
There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can’t never make mistakes bs.
Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn’t mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan
Fuck, also explains why Netenyahu jumped at the opportunity as soon as he avoided having his government dissolved by vote. Fuuuuck this is so much evil bullshit.
I strongly recommend you to listen to Ilan Pappe. He describes well how Israels society has deep internal rifts as the narrative of Zionism ultimately failed to build a cohesive society.
So ultimately Israel needs the eternal war for two main reasons:
See for example: www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9rr3j7vZGo
I mean, that’s not really surprising. Every military makes plans for any contingency, and Israel especially has always been paranoid about Iran’s nuclear programme, so of course they would make sure they’re tracking the scientists in case they needed to make a move.
The disgusting part is them just pulling the trigger for political reasons instead of actual intelligence that indicates a breakout.
Every military makes plans for any contingency,
In defense, to respond to an attack. The word contingency is important.
If the military is planning acts of aggression then that is called preparing for war.
netanyahu is using the aggression as a way to stave off his own criminal trials prior to him being re-elected.
Have you never heard of zionism? This has been the plan for over a century.
Yeah it’s not that Israel is planning this, it’s that this is the plan of Israel the whole thing is this plan.
o no! israel thwarted iran’s nuclear ambitions! the horror!!!
It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
You’re part of the problem.
I’m sure you still think it was a great thing we got to iraq before they set off those wmd’s
Iran has the right to defend themselves and israel has proven again that Iran is in need of this defense.
They have been bombing Iran for years, OC these lunatics had these plans already.
November, you say? I wonder what happened in November that caused Netanyahu to be emboldened to the point of planning Iranian assassinations…
Think about this when you see politicians trying to pass absurd laws like banning all regulation of AI. AI is a cover to remove any last semblance of accountability for atrocious and illegal activities
Politicians attempting to ban AI regulation are only shielding OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, etc. Those same politicians will pearl clutch about Hugging Face or DeepSeek in the same breath. It’s just about money and the arms race. Abdicating responsibility to AI would require either a change in how we regulate people or a granting of rights/responsibility to AI. Though I don’t doubt we will see people try to blame AI for their poor decisions.
Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?
Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.
(Sorry, that’s my “Bush did 9/11” moment)
No tinfoil needed, has it not been confirmed that Netanyahu was aware of the attacks and let them happen?
I don’t believe that has been confirmed, but I could be wrong.
This is state sanctioned mass murder. This is state terror attacks across a national border. This is so unethical and obviously illegal, I don’t know what else to say about it.
We need to distance ourselves from Israel. We need to stop giving them weapons. Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them, I am partially responsible, and this is not “ok”. I do not want to be doing this, I never wanted this…
Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,
And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.
Alex Karp’s biography makes it pretty clear he’s trying to spin this shit as every American’s patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that’s something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.
state terror
Yeah, the ‘protocols of the elders of zion’ larpers dont do anything else
need to stop
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
We let this get too far out of hand. The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3?
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
Hey, we can cross that bridge when we get to it, but first it needs to stop.
Just to play devils advocate, what circumstances is it legitimate for Israel to attack Iran?
Yeah, that’s cool.
Well I guess my opinion is that it’s essentially never “legitimate” to be the aggressor. Determining which party is the aggressor can sometimes be complicated, but it often boils down to this: which party is crossing the border?
In this case, I’m sure many would say that Iran took the first aggressive action by pursuing a nuclear program, but I have a few issues with that. First, Israel already has nuclear weapons, so surely that is an earlier provocation. Secondly, Iran still isn’t crossing the border, Israel was first to pull the trigger, and they pulled a lot of triggers (in Iranian territory). And finally, Israel and Iran have been in the process of forging nuclear treaties many times now, and nearly every time Israel has sabotaged the talks with provocative, often military actions, or they simply left the table - it seems clear to me that Israel does not want a nuclear deal, they will not accept any kind of compromise.
Man up
You can take that shit elsewhere. Grow a conscience.
Anyone who gets uncomfortable with government surveillance because it could be used to target certain demographics of people needs to look no further than what Israel has done to prove their point.
The only thing stopping the world from autonomously targeting people by online demographic is common human decency, and humanity is running on very short supply of that these days.
But that is their dream for the future. Purely automatically managing the populace as some sort of a farm.
It’s an arms race. Like at any other point in history. Between those who think personal dignity and freedom and equality are a mistake of history or a device to keep the herd patient, and that they deserve to rule, and those who don’t.
The good part is that this has already been tried. A fast system with deadlocks is not that different from a slow system with deadlocks. And a big redundant system deterministically degrading in itself is not that different from a smaller less redundant system deterministically degrading in itself. No USSR and no Nazi Germany anymore on the map.
The parts about lying and false pretense of law and democracy are new, but not too much - rulers of Frederic the Great’s time had false pretenses of knightly behavior and following imperial mechanisms. One can even compare 30 years war to our two world wars in the sense of creating a new world order, which was considered impossible to change due to endless horrors following that, but eventually become a farce.
I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
There is no “international authority”. It’s all big stick politics out there. It’s like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The “punishments” when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.
Think about your boss shorting you $100. The “legal” process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.
Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you’re cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.
It’s even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That’s not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.
The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It’s a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.
It’s like that saying goes: “The law is the same for everyone, neither the king nor the beggar may sleep under a bridge.”
There’s a rules-based international order. We make the rules, and guess who gives the orders.
You mean like when Gerald Bull was killed? Surely an accident.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
Which is why I am sitting in disbelief that Iran could be so monumentally stupid.
This isn’t how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.
The alternative is “drop bombs”.
Rounding up leaders and putting them on trial seems like a more civilized international approach than engaging in the same bloodthirsty, explosive, surprise-murder that is literally the whole problem here.
Few things say “you need a nuke, you need it right now” like foreign states killing your scientists, in their beds in the dead of night
They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.
Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!
israel and the us all deserve the nuremberg treatment for their crimes
I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It’s probably a lot more than 0.
ok if there are actual Jewish space lasers I’m fucking done with this reality.
Funny how precise they can be when they want to be.
10 assassinations of relatively innocent people simultaneously. Straight out of Walter white’s playbook when we went full villain.
Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?
Let me fix the headline - Israel commits more state sponsored terrorist attacks in neighbouring countries.
Marking people for assassination looks normal to the times of Israel. Nice people.
It’s time to stop believing the lies of Israel’s might.
They assassinated people in Tehran, they don’t have a special weapon that killed all of them simultaneously. The same lies about “special systems” like the iron dome being impenetrable has been their tactic to ensure pressure on their states.
Jesus they killed everyone in the apartment complex including their kids how is this not a war crime?!?
Times of Israel
Should be called Crimes of Israel
The only difference between Israel and a terrorst organization is PR.
What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just…killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!
Murdered. Not killed, murdered.
Both technically true, but the way they write killed suggests it wasn’t murder in cold blood, an act of war against another country to bully and control them.
Murder.
What is the endgame here? They certainly can’t be delusional enough to assume that killing civilians or bombing facilities will ingratiate them with the Iranian people to overthrow the government or even making the government surrender; how many more people will they radicalize through this process? How many more lives do they want to destroy? When will the middle east have peace?
How can people be so fucking stupid as to keep their key personnel vulnerable like that?
Wait these genocidal idiots really called it “Operation Narnia”?
wtf
Vibe warfare sounds like a terrible idea
Surely this will work wonders, they’ll never recover from this. Also they won’t have any incentive, because why would you even consider building a bomb in such a friendly environment? Why would there need to be an axis of resistance, let’s surrender unconditionally like Trump suggested, because clearly the Israel and the US are to be trusted. If only these damned Iranians remained at the negotiating table while we bombed the shit out of them unprovoked. I guess they don’t want peace. /s
thedruid@lemmy.world 2 months ago
How is this all normal and ok?
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 2 months ago
It’s not normal. It’s ok until the majority of America accepts what this means can be done with that database Trump is having Palantir build really means
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
More than just America need to stand against Israel.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 months ago
i think the military has been using thiels palintir for at least 10 years already. TRump just made it more obvious, because hes a loudmouth. thiel loved to stay out of the spotlight of the news for many reasons. everytime he was in the news, its never is good for him.
OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Who’s Palantir? I sort if live under a rock. Yes I looked it up. I’m asking for the general scoop.
lnxtx@feddit.nl 2 months ago
The rogue state of Israel has immunity from the US and its satellites.
doctortofu@piefed.social 2 months ago
It's absolutely not okay, but since there will be no negative consequences for it whatsoever, it's the new normal. This is sadly what happens when laws are not enforced, and I'm not sure if anything even can be done anymore...
800XL@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There’s always something.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Don’t worry. “Laws” are being enforced all the time. It’s just not the ones that you imagine.
rhvg@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Europeans did the genocide and took over America, in a much larger scale. Israel is just a smaller copy cat. The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 2 months ago
No it doesn’t.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why not, “and genocide is wrong in both cases,” rather than, “and thus they’re both okay?”
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Insane that there are people who actually believe this shit.
flandish@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It is “statistically” normal in that governments and corporations will always choose death because it is profitable.
It is not and never has been ok.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 months ago
they have been doing this for decades, even to the point clandestine type novel stories are often written about them.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 2 months ago
And everyone in their family, building, and general vicinity. And anyone in that 10% of targets who are misidentified apparently.
shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Which one is will?!? ¡Half these guys are named Muhammad!!
PlagueShip@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It should be normal. People helping an evil state get nukes, deserve to die. Unfortunately what’s normal nowadays is sitting around fat and lazy and letting NK become a nuclear power.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The US gave Israel, an evil state, nuclear weapons. By your logic…
cygnus@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
All’s fair in love and war.
Buske@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It is not.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Just listen to NPR. It’s all good!!! smh.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF12587#%3A~%3Atext=….