I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon
Submitted 1 day ago by AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
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BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
MNByChoice@midwest.social 15 minutes ago
Nation level retaliation would ensue. Maybe possible to do in some country matchups, but not possible in all.
LordGimp@lemm.ee 4 hours ago
There is no “international authority”. It’s all big stick politics out there. It’s like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The “punishments” when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.
Think about your boss shorting you $100. The “legal” process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.
Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you’re cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.
It’s even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That’s not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.
The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It’s a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.
mhague@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.
Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!
Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?
Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.
(Sorry, that’s my “Bush did 9/11” moment)
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
No tinfoil needed, has it not been confirmed that Netanyahu was aware of the attacks and let them happen?
TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I don’t believe that has been confirmed, but I could be wrong.
pyre@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
- what a stupid fucking name
- why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
- why does no one ask question 2
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
- Why is it ok for them to assassinate civilians?
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 hours ago
Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?
Because once you have them, who’s going to try to take them away?
pineapplepizza@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
In 1994, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.
pyre@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn’t think so.
Oaksey@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
See Budapest Memorandum
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Because you don’t wanna be an antisemite, do you? /s
allidoislietomyself@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
This is state sanctioned mass murder. This is state terror attacks across a national border. This is so unethical and obviously illegal, I don’t know what else to say about it.
We need to distance ourselves from Israel. We need to stop giving them weapons. Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them, I am partially responsible, and this is not “ok”. I do not want to be doing this, I never wanted this…
52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 1 hour ago
Just to play devils advocate, what circumstances is it legitimate for Israel to attack Iran?
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Yeah, that’s cool.
Well I guess my opinion is that it’s essentially never “legitimate” to be the aggressor. Determining which party is the aggressor can sometimes be complicated, but it often boils down to this: which party is crossing the border?
In this case, I’m sure many would say that Iran took the first aggressive action by pursuing a nuclear program, but I have a few issues with that. First, Israel already has nuclear weapons, so surely that is an earlier provocation. Secondly, Iran still isn’t crossing the border, Israel was first to pull the trigger, and they pulled a lot of triggers (in Iranian territory). And finally, Israel and Iran have been in the process of forging nuclear treaties many times now, and nearly every time Israel has sabotaged the talks with provocative, often military actions, or they simply left the table - it seems clear to me that Israel does not want a nuclear deal, they will not accept any kind of compromise.
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 9 hours ago
Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,
And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.
Alex Karp’s biography makes it pretty clear he’s trying to spin this shit as every American’s patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that’s something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
state terror
Yeah, the ‘protocols of the elders of zion’ larpers dont do anything else
need to stop
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
We let this get too far out of hand. The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3?
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
Hey, we can cross that bridge when we get to it, but first it needs to stop.
PlagueShip@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
[deleted]Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Man up
You can take that shit elsewhere. Grow a conscience.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
Few things say “you need a nuke, you need it right now” like foreign states killing your scientists, in their beds in the dead of night
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
One of those things is a genocidal theocratic ethnostate killing your military leaders.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I don’t agree with Israel at all. But Iran is a theocratic ethnostate as well. One that has pretty loudly proclaimed that the day they have nuclear weapons is the day before they use one on Israel. There’s nobody out there who’s in a morally high position.
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel’s current actions say this wasn’t a simple “what if…” contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 23 hours ago
This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.
They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 hours ago
It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
I hate that USA is enabling them,
USA is just as guilty as the genocidal cult, perhaps even more so.
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 12 hours ago
There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can’t never make mistakes bs.
Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn’t mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan
jonne@infosec.pub 17 hours ago
I mean, that’s not really surprising. Every military makes plans for any contingency, and Israel especially has always been paranoid about Iran’s nuclear programme, so of course they would make sure they’re tracking the scientists in case they needed to make a move.
The disgusting part is them just pulling the trigger for political reasons instead of actual intelligence that indicates a breakout.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Every military makes plans for any contingency,
In defense, to respond to an attack. The word contingency is important.
If the military is planning acts of aggression then that is called preparing for war.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
netanyahu is using the aggression as a way to stave off his own criminal trials prior to him being re-elected.
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 23 hours ago
Fuck, also explains why Netenyahu jumped at the opportunity as soon as he avoided having his government dissolved by vote. Fuuuuck this is so much evil bullshit.
Saleh@feddit.org 14 hours ago
I strongly recommend you to listen to Ilan Pappe. He describes well how Israels society has deep internal rifts as the narrative of Zionism ultimately failed to build a cohesive society.
So ultimately Israel needs the eternal war for two main reasons:
- To keep the support by its western lapdogs up, by presenting itself as the eternal victim under war.
- To keep the internal pressure contained by the necessity to hold together because of war.
See for example: www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9rr3j7vZGo
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
Have you never heard of zionism? This has been the plan for over a century.
TheLiveFive@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
Yeah it’s not that Israel is planning this, it’s that this is the plan of Israel the whole thing is this plan.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
o no! israel thwarted iran’s nuclear ambitions! the horror!!!
kcweller@feddit.nl 12 hours ago
It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
You’re part of the problem.
TheLiveFive@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
I’m sure you still think it was a great thing we got to iraq before they set off those wmd’s
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
They have been bombing Iran for years, OC these lunatics had these plans already.
thedruid@lemmy.world 1 day ago
How is this all normal and ok?
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 1 day ago
It’s not normal. It’s ok until the majority of America accepts what this means can be done with that database Trump is having Palantir build really means
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
More than just America need to stand against Israel.
lnxtx@feddit.nl 1 day ago
The rogue state of Israel has immunity from the US and its satellites.
doctortofu@piefed.social 23 hours ago
It's absolutely not okay, but since there will be no negative consequences for it whatsoever, it's the new normal. This is sadly what happens when laws are not enforced, and I'm not sure if anything even can be done anymore...
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
Don’t worry. “Laws” are being enforced all the time. It’s just not the ones that you imagine.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
they have been doing this for decades, even to the point clandestine type novel stories are often written about them.
rhvg@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Europeans did the genocide and took over America, in a much larger scale. Israel is just a smaller copy cat. The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Why not, “and genocide is wrong in both cases,” rather than, “and thus they’re both okay?”
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
Insane that there are people who actually believe this shit.
flandish@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
It is “statistically” normal in that governments and corporations will always choose death because it is profitable.
It is not and never has been ok.
PlagueShip@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
It should be normal. People helping an evil state get nukes, deserve to die. Unfortunately what’s normal nowadays is sitting around fat and lazy and letting NK become a nuclear power.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The US gave Israel, an evil state, nuclear weapons. By your logic…
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
[deleted]AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 23 hours ago
And everyone in their family, building, and general vicinity. And anyone in that 10% of targets who are misidentified apparently.
shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 hours ago
Which one is will?!? ¡Half these guys are named Muhammad!!
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
Just listen to NPR. It’s all good!!! smh.
cygnus@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
All’s fair in love and war.
Buske@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
It is not.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 6 hours ago
What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just…killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!
rozodru@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
because the ultra wealthy can’t cook, can’t produce the stuff needed to cook, can’t build super cars or private jets or build mansions, they can’t make the latest high tech gadgets, they can’t produce the most stylish of clothes or expensive watches. That’s why they keep us around. They need us plebs to make them stuff and produce their wealth to purchase the shit we make.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
This why they are so obsessed with AI. When AI can do whatever they want, the rest of us will be exterminated like pests.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
israel and the us all deserve the nuremberg treatment for their crimes
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?
martin4598@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
Marking people for assassination looks normal to the times of Israel. Nice people.
fluxion@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Think about this when you see politicians trying to pass absurd laws like banning all regulation of AI. AI is a cover to remove any last semblance of accountability for atrocious and illegal activities
pennomi@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Anyone who gets uncomfortable with government surveillance because it could be used to target certain demographics of people needs to look no further than what Israel has done to prove their point.
The only thing stopping the world from autonomously targeting people by online demographic is common human decency, and humanity is running on very short supply of that these days.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
the most dangerous.profession in the world has gotta be iranian nuclear scientist.
kcweller@feddit.nl 16 hours ago
It’s time to stop believing the lies of Israel’s might.
They assassinated people in Tehran, they don’t have a special weapon that killed all of them simultaneously. The same lies about “special systems” like the iron dome being impenetrable has been their tactic to ensure pressure on their states.
MTK@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Vibe warfare sounds like a terrible idea
anas@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Funny how precise they can be when they want to be.
MantisToboggon@lazysoci.al 1 day ago
ok if there are actual Jewish space lasers I’m fucking done with this reality.
sndmn@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
Times of Israel
Should be called Crimes of Israel
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I hope the next missile strike from Iran includes a sneak nuclear missile in testing phase and the test is successful over TEL Aviv.
eletes@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
I guess this is what they meant by they had something planned whether the US bombed Fordow or not
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
Could you please kill the leaders instead? Of Israel too?
MetalMachine@feddit.nl 16 hours ago
Special weapon won’t save them in a long war with Iran. Which is why they want US involvement
workerONE@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Cell phones exploding?
just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Drone fired rounds? Creepy as fuck.
Mongostein@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
The Zola algorithm is real
_druid@sh.itjust.works 23 hours ago
When Gandalf learns that Saruman is using one of the Lost Seeing Stones, his first instinct is mistrust and suspicion.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
www.timesofisrael.com LOL
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It’s probably a lot more than 0.