Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?
Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon
Submitted 10 months ago by AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
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ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 10 months ago
Civilian nuclear scientists working in enrichment are not protected by the Geneva convention. Technically it is legal to kill them when engaged in warfare.
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Has Israel officially declared war on Iran? Apart from that, why aren’t they protected by the Geneva convention?
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
When they’re not european.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Since you’re just larping your fav book when you do it
Deestan@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It got more legal a few years ago, I think. Not explicitly “made legal”, but the legal foundations have been eroded. I.e. if you can expect to get away with something it is legal in a very real sense.
It’s always been practically legal for empires like the US, Russia, China to commit any atrocities in weak countries, More and more countries are seeing how much they can get away with.
Netanyahu tested the limits and saw there were none.
jimjam5@lemmy.world 10 months ago
MangoCats@feddit.it 10 months ago
I have mixed feelings - Gaza clearly shows a “worse way” to do warfare, but that doesn’t move the needle on how bad it is to say: “Welp, there’s a 90% chance that somewhere in this building is somebody associated with a group that we don’t like, so take it down tonight while everyone is home sleeping.”
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I’m surprised there aren’t more high level assassinations.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This is state sanctioned mass murder. This is state terror attacks across a national border. This is so unethical and obviously illegal, I don’t know what else to say about it.
We need to distance ourselves from Israel. We need to stop giving them weapons. Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them, I am partially responsible, and this is not “ok”. I do not want to be doing this, I never wanted this…
52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 10 months ago
Just to play devils advocate, what circumstances is it legitimate for Israel to attack Iran?
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yeah, that’s cool.
Well I guess my opinion is that it’s essentially never “legitimate” to be the aggressor. Determining which party is the aggressor can sometimes be complicated, but it often boils down to this: which party is crossing the border?
In this case, I’m sure many would say that Iran took the first aggressive action by pursuing a nuclear program, but I have a few issues with that. First, Israel already has nuclear weapons, so surely that is an earlier provocation. Secondly, Iran still isn’t crossing the border, Israel was first to pull the trigger, and they pulled a lot of triggers (in Iranian territory). And finally, Israel and Iran have been in the process of forging nuclear treaties many times now, and nearly every time Israel has sabotaged the talks with provocative, often military actions, or they simply left the table - it seems clear to me that Israel does not want a nuclear deal, they will not accept any kind of compromise.
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,
And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.
Alex Karp’s biography makes it pretty clear he’s trying to spin this shit as every American’s patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that’s something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.
PlagueShip@lemmy.world 10 months ago
[deleted]Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Man up
You can take that shit elsewhere. Grow a conscience.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
state terror
Yeah, the ‘protocols of the elders of zion’ larpers dont do anything else
need to stop
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
We let this get too far out of hand. The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3?
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
Hey, we can cross that bridge when we get to it, but first it needs to stop.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 10 months ago
Could you please kill the leaders instead? Of Israel too?
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 10 months ago
The country is funded by a supermacist colonial ideology. The population need to be dezionified and other country should do their obligations in stoping a genocidal state
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 10 months ago
www.timesofisrael.com LOL
martin4598@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Marking people for assassination looks normal to the times of Israel. Nice people.
PlagueShip@lemmy.world 10 months ago
[deleted]card797@champserver.net 10 months ago
Evil state? Which one are you referring to?
MetalMachine@feddit.nl 10 months ago
Special weapon won’t save them in a long war with Iran. Which is why they want US involvement
kcweller@feddit.nl 10 months ago
It’s time to stop believing the lies of Israel’s might.
They assassinated people in Tehran, they don’t have a special weapon that killed all of them simultaneously. The same lies about “special systems” like the iron dome being impenetrable has been their tactic to ensure pressure on their states.
Saleh@feddit.org 10 months ago
Special systems = indiscriminate bombing of residential building at night to maximize civilians murdered
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
israel and the us all deserve the nuremberg treatment for their crimes
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The Nuremberg trials were a media propaganda circus.
Exactly SIX nazis got the death penalty.
The US/UK did everything they could to help the fascists escape and save them from the Soviets, rehabilitate them and keep their power.wpb@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I agree with the spirit of your comment. Germany lost, fascism won. But as far as I can see there were close to 40 death sentences out of 160 convictions. Where are you getting your data?
workerONE@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Cell phones exploding?
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m guessing it’s witheld from publication because they are explicit US tech (eg Predator drones) that has been used to strike whole apartment buildings just to take out (possibly, if the intel is even correct) one scientist. Would look really bad when the US is still pretending they’re not really part of the conflict.
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 10 months ago
My bet is on small assassination drone. People like having windows in their bedroom. Small drone flies to house, has some mechanism to break window, then blows up once inside the bedroom.
I bet it’s unpublished not because its technology of any particularly impressive degree. Its unpublished because everyday people could easily design the same thing with enough minor technical expertise
themurphy@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Could also be unpublished because the method was absolutly inhumane.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Sounds like propaganda, based on the source
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 10 months ago
It sounds nearly identical to the program Time said Palantir was using in Israel in December 2024 to help track Hamas
“Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity.
Except if they just come right out and say that, it becomes more difficult to deny the U.S. is already directly involved. Especially since they just gave members of Palantir positions in the U.S. military
masterspace@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
No one cares about whether or no they use a dashboard to track signals intelligence data. The interesting part of this story is the unpublished assassination weapon, not how they selected targets.
sndmn@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Times of Israel
Should be called Crimes of Israel
_druid@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
When Gandalf learns that Saruman is using one of the Lost Seeing Stones, his first instinct is mistrust and suspicion.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Thiel is totally obsessed with lotr, but with a warped sense of what they represent. he also named companies after mithril, lembas, anduril,etc.
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel’s current actions say this wasn’t a simple “what if…” contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
November, you say? I wonder what happened in November that caused Netanyahu to be emboldened to the point of planning Iranian assassinations…
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Have you never heard of zionism? This has been the plan for over a century.
TheLiveFive@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Yeah it’s not that Israel is planning this, it’s that this is the plan of Israel the whole thing is this plan.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 10 months ago
They have been bombing Iran for years, OC these lunatics had these plans already.
jonne@infosec.pub 10 months ago
I mean, that’s not really surprising. Every military makes plans for any contingency, and Israel especially has always been paranoid about Iran’s nuclear programme, so of course they would make sure they’re tracking the scientists in case they needed to make a move.
The disgusting part is them just pulling the trigger for political reasons instead of actual intelligence that indicates a breakout.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Every military makes plans for any contingency,
In defense, to respond to an attack. The word contingency is important.
If the military is planning acts of aggression then that is called preparing for war.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 10 months ago
netanyahu is using the aggression as a way to stave off his own criminal trials prior to him being re-elected.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
o no! israel thwarted iran’s nuclear ambitions! the horror!!!
hark@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Iran has the right to defend themselves and israel has proven again that Iran is in need of this defense.
TheLiveFive@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I’m sure you still think it was a great thing we got to iraq before they set off those wmd’s
kcweller@feddit.nl 10 months ago
It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
You’re part of the problem.
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 10 months ago
This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.
They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
I hate that USA is enabling them,
USA is just as guilty as the genocidal cult, perhaps even more so.
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 10 months ago
There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can’t never make mistakes bs.
Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn’t mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Fuck, also explains why Netenyahu jumped at the opportunity as soon as he avoided having his government dissolved by vote. Fuuuuck this is so much evil bullshit.
Saleh@feddit.org 10 months ago
I strongly recommend you to listen to Ilan Pappe. He describes well how Israels society has deep internal rifts as the narrative of Zionism ultimately failed to build a cohesive society.
So ultimately Israel needs the eternal war for two main reasons:
- To keep the support by its western lapdogs up, by presenting itself as the eternal victim under war.
- To keep the internal pressure contained by the necessity to hold together because of war.
See for example: www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9rr3j7vZGo
pennomi@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Anyone who gets uncomfortable with government surveillance because it could be used to target certain demographics of people needs to look no further than what Israel has done to prove their point.
The only thing stopping the world from autonomously targeting people by online demographic is common human decency, and humanity is running on very short supply of that these days.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
But that is their dream for the future. Purely automatically managing the populace as some sort of a farm.
It’s an arms race. Like at any other point in history. Between those who think personal dignity and freedom and equality are a mistake of history or a device to keep the herd patient, and that they deserve to rule, and those who don’t.
The good part is that this has already been tried. A fast system with deadlocks is not that different from a slow system with deadlocks. And a big redundant system deterministically degrading in itself is not that different from a smaller less redundant system deterministically degrading in itself. No USSR and no Nazi Germany anymore on the map.
The parts about lying and false pretense of law and democracy are new, but not too much - rulers of Frederic the Great’s time had false pretenses of knightly behavior and following imperial mechanisms. One can even compare 30 years war to our two world wars in the sense of creating a new world order, which was considered impossible to change due to endless horrors following that, but eventually become a farce.
anas@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Funny how precise they can be when they want to be.
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 10 months ago
It’s guarantee the number of bystanders that were killed while they killed these “targets” is not zero.
zarniwoop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Bet it isn’t a refugee camp sized amount not entire city blocks worth though.
MantisToboggon@lazysoci.al 10 months ago
ok if there are actual Jewish space lasers I’m fucking done with this reality.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 10 months ago
they arnt getting the ion cannon network.
Thteven@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I bet it was those missiles with the swords that pop out the side.
AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Those are American drones from Palantir.
fluxion@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Think about this when you see politicians trying to pass absurd laws like banning all regulation of AI. AI is a cover to remove any last semblance of accountability for atrocious and illegal activities
just_another_person@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Drone fired rounds? Creepy as fuck.
thedruid@lemmy.world 10 months ago
How is this all normal and ok?
MTK@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Vibe warfare sounds like a terrible idea
SufferingSteve@feddit.nu 10 months ago
But oh so lucrative, and with a catchy phrase…
I see moneybags in this idea, wonder who will first make it a reality…