teens aren’t aware or private browsing?
Mom sues porn sites (Including Chaturbate, Jerkmate, Superporn and Hentaicity) for noncompliance with Kansas age assurance law; Teen can no longer enjoy life after mom caught him visiting Chaturbate
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
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venusaur@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Am I the only one that thinks there’s something positive to stricter control of pornography?
Even if you love porn and grew up exposed to it as a kid, you gotta admit that there are psychological effects on avid adult viewers and more on minors.
Think about what was available as a kid, too. Wait 10 min for a 3 minute to load or just search pics. Now it’s a completely different overstimulating world that transforming how people relate to sex and themselves.
KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I was sex-negative until recent years due to Catholic conditioning mixing with unlabeled asexuality. Seeing the rising movements against porngraphy has driven me to veer strongly sex-positive, especially after the 2024 USAmerican election.
An “anti-pornography” movement is incredibly dangerous because it can leverage that label to steamroll through anything “for the children” and ward off all but the strongest and loudest criticism. It’s a lot like “Mothers Against Drunk Driving”. Every Politician fears being the lone dissenter on a “for the children” bill; No judge wants to seen as soft on “children accessing porn”.
Porn may be “transforming how people relate to sex and themselves”. The anti-porn movement is working to rip away digital privacy, trying to destroy LGBTQIA+ lives, and will squash free artistic expression. Think of any work of art that ever includes nudity, or ever depicts sex - through text, imagery or video. Now imagine defending its “artistic value” to an armed soldier who stormed in your house, or being badgered by a prosecutor in front of a judge and panel of 12.
“Anti-porn” or “Anti-kids accessing porn” legislation are the legislative equivalent of setting off a firecracker in your mouth to stop a toothache. I remain baffled every time I see support for this from “progressive” online spaces and voices, especially considering that we are living under the Republican regime, Right Now.
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I remain baffled every time I see support for this from “progressive” online spaces and voices
It’s just people not using their brains, everything is just viewed at its surface level with no deeper analysis ever conducted. They are the sort of idiots that think that Starship Troopers is profascism.
venusaur@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I understand your point of view. These conservative law-makers are hiding their true intentions, but you’re only allowing yourself to think about porn restriction in the lens of current day right-wing politicians. The intent to put more restrictions on porn is not a one way street.
Your analogy to banning artistic freedom is like saying putting restrictions on alcohol is a slippery slope that’s going to eventually have you explaining to a soldier why you have kombucha.
There are so many variations of porn. Some porn is dangerous to be consumed by children and even adults, especially when consumed compulsively through addiction. Maybe not dangerous to straight cis men, but dangerous to almost the entire half of society. I believe that is why it’s so hard to put any restrictions on porn. Straight cis men are clutching onto their undiagnosed porn addictions as hard as they can and using right wing laws to make hasty generalizations about porn restriction leading to the Islamic Revolution.
Also, congrats. Happy safe and healthy jerking.
breecher@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Even if you love porn and grew up exposed to it as a kid, you gotta admit that there are psychological effects on avid adult viewers and more on minors.
No you don’t. That is right wing propaganda completely unfounded by science. That porn addiction nonsense so many Americans babble about is a product of that propaganda, and doesn’t actually exist.
venusaur@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wow. You don’t think porn addiction exists? Said like a true porn addict.
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Not enough to warrant uploads of your fucking license.
Also I really think its kind of goofy so many people are upset about porn when kids are exposed to violence in the media all the time.
Not that I think violent video games are the devil, my first memory of a game was GTA III lol, but I think seeing violence is probably worse than seeing sex.
At least if you take the American Puritan mindset out of it.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
seeing violence is probably worse than seeing sex
Yes, I mean, one is (ideally) about two (or more) people enjoying time they have together in an intimate way, the other is about hurting another maliciously. I certainly prefer one of these things to be more prominent than the other
There is a discussion to be had about stuff like objectification and porn that doesn’t depict people like, consenting, and such, but at least in ideal I’d much rather have media that focuses on pleasure and love than hate and suffering
venusaur@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m just saying there’s something good in restriction, not the way in which it’s being implemented. I think games like GTA are bad too.
Parental controls are only effective if all parents control. Should alcohol and guns have no restrictions and be up to parents to control? Exactly.
Vanth@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
you gotta admit that there are psychological effects on avid adult viewers and more on minors
Citation needed when we’re talking about implementing laws and opening up lawsuits suing for $75k+. Multiple robust peer-reviewed citations needed. Preferably not funded by a Catholic church group.
Also it’s a leap to say top-down privacy invading laws are the way the state or federal government should handle it instead of the concerned parent monitoring computer usage. There’s so many free and subscription based parental control tools out there. Comprehensive sex education would be a potential alternate way for the state to support parents and teens to educate them on porn consumption and safe internet usage.
FYI, NCOSE, the group joining (likely funding) the lawsuit, is against comprehensive sex education.
venusaur@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’re talking about a few separate things here.
- I never said this is how it should be implemented. I just said stricter guardrails on porn would do some good.
- evidence is needed when creating laws. Yes
- when a law is already in effect, breaking the law does not require evidence to prove the law should exist. It requires evidence that the law was broken.
hansolo@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Not sure why you’re getting down voted. Porn can absolutely become a behavioral addiction.
I used to work at a place where we had a lobby guard that watched porn on his phone all day (sound off). Not sitting there trying to jerk it, it was a compulsion. He would just be watching it while talking to other people, standing by the door…it was weird. He eventually got fired because he genuinely couldn’t not watch porn.
That being said, I’m a huge privacy advocate, and while there are actually ways to anonymously be on a website and verify age, that’s not how anyone is doing it. Things like signing up for an account on a site and scanning your ID are just abysmally stupid. There’s a zero percent chance that this system as is doesnt lead to data theft and possibly even extortion.
Vanth@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Sounds like a better state-backed initiative would be to make mental health services available to this dude and to anyone else dealing with addiction issues. Especially since I assume this door guard was older than 18 and age verification, no matter how private, would have done nothing to stop his access to porn.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
That being said, I’m a huge privacy advocate, and while there are actually ways to anonymously be on a website and verify age
How would that work? I’m not well-researched on this particular topic, so I’m curious how that would work.
ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I’d advocate for us to update our ID systems to be able to verify age without the risk of data theft or extortion, but that’s not really relevant to this conversation, just kinda talking to the void
venusaur@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I totally agree. Everybody is misinterpreting what I’m saying into being an advocate for the ways they’re implementing the restrictions. They need a punching bag. I get it. I’ll be it.
But some people here don’t want to admit porn addiction exists. That’s a sign that it is a problem.
ArchRecord@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
There’s absolutely something to be said for trying to ensure that people don’t have access to porn as kids, but that doesn’t come from what these legal battles inevitably want to impose, which is ID check requirements that create a massive treasure trove of data for attackers to target to steal IDs, blackmail individuals, and violate people’s privacy, while adding additional costs for porn sites that will inevitably lead to predatory monetization, such as more predatory ads.
The problem is that parents are offloading their own responsibility and education off themselves and schools, and instead placing an unworkable burden onto the sites that host and distribute pornographic content.
We know that when you provide proper sex education, talk to kids about how to safely consume adult content without risking their health, safety, and while setting realistic expectations, you tend to get much better outcomes.
If there’s one thing I think most people are very aware of, it’s that the more you try and hide something from kids, the more they tend to try and resist that, and find it anyways, except without any proper education or safeguards.
It’s why abstinence only education tends to lead to worse outcomes than sex education, even though on the surface, you’re “exposing” kids to sexually related materials.
This doesn’t mean we should deliberately expose kids to porn out of nowhere, remove all restrictions or age checks, etc, but it does mean that we can, for example:
- Implement reasonable sex education in schools. Kids who have sex ed generally engage in healthier masturbation and sex than kids who don’t.
- Have parents talk with their kids about safe and healthy sex & relationships. It’s an awkward conversation, but we know it keeps kids healthier and safer in the long run.
- Implement a captcha-like system to make it a little more difficult (and primarily, slower and less stimulating) for kids to quickly access porn sites. Requiring certain somewhat higher level math problems to be solved, for example. This doesn’t rely on giving up sensitive personal info.
Kids won’t simply stop viewing porn if you implement age gates. Kids are smart, they find their way around restrictions all the time. If we can’t reasonably stop them without producing a whole host of other extremely negative consequences, then the best thing we can do is educate them on how to not severely risk their own health.
It’s not perfect, but it’s better than creating massive pools of private data, perverse financial incentives, and pushing people to more fringe sites that do even less to comply with the law.
venusaur@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I understand and agree with what you’re saying. I think people should need licenses to have kids, but that’s a different story.
The conflict that this often boils down to is that the digital world does not emulate the real world. If you want to buy porn in the real world, you need ID, but online anything goes. I love my online anonymity just as much as everybody else, but we’ll eventually need to find some hybrid approach.
We already scan our faces on our phones all the time, or scan our finger on our computer. How about when you want to access a porn site you have to type in a password or do some biometric credential?
I think 50% or more of the resistance of restricting porn is really just that people really love porn and are ashamed of what they view. There’s a whole other social psychology that needs to change in regards to how we view sex and I agree with more education.
kreskin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I was led to believe that if your mom (although they always call it stepmom in the title) finds you doing that, they will come in, have a very short chat, music will start in the background and they will then, um… assist you. I am shocked to hear that in real life that is not the case. The internet has been lying to us.
Noodle07@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unless you have 2 broken arms
Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
She should give him a helping hand… Refit style.
dandan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He would need to break his arms first.
tal@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
For a brief shining moment, it seemed like adroit use of state-level legislation in Kansas might manage to blue-ball much of America by leveraging access to its market of 3 million.
pepperdine-graphic.com/addiction-risk-thrive-in-s…
In 2011, Piccirillo began traveling from Chicago, Illinois to Orange County, California to act in a number of pornographic films. Pornography production is illegal in Illinois, as it is in 48 of the 50 United States.
The pornography industry “by and large lives here in Southern California,” said Ged Kenslea, the senior director of communication for the AIDS Healthcare Foundation. This is for a number of reasons, but legality and location are important factors.
“There are only two states in the union where adult film production is legal,” Kenslea said. “Everywhere else it would be considered participating in an illegal act of prostitution. California and the state of New Hampshire both have state supreme court rulings that codify adult film production as a legitimate business.”
That was until the degenerate California legislature, intertwined in obscene embrace with its filthy industry, and having a market of 40 million, passed its own legislation disallowing a pornography site conducting business in its jurisdiction from having an age gate. Now the outcome was written by economic imperatives: there was to be a Kansas-conformant site and a California-conformant site of each pornography website. Anyone purchasing a commercial subscription was directed to the Kansas-conformant site if they wished to purchase service in Kansas. The age-gate-free California-conformant site did not have age gates, and did not accept advertising specifically targeting Kansas residents, keeping itself from being subject to Kansas jurisdiction.
lennee@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
ok boomer
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Kids need an outlet or they look for the real thing, not in a good way. Let them have their sites. Like anything in moderation though or only net porn will get you off later in life.
tartarin@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Moms suck!
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Only if you pay them
bhamlin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If they like you, sometimes they do it for free
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
If she only sucked, we could have avoided this
5paceThunder@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It would be the responsibility of the state to block sites that offend their fragile egos.
theologynerd@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
let’s be real these companies are horrible and destroying the minds of millions of young men
Zanathos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I would argue that gambling sites and gacha games are much worse.
theologynerd@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
sure; maybe, maybe not. at least they don’t turn young men into womanizers with an unrealistic expectation of sexuality
toastmeister@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I jerked off to swimsuit flyers when I was a kid, so at least my mind is safe.
theologynerd@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
accessibility is key here
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The first two use a lot of cancer advertising so im hoping they are getting done in by their own insistance on annoyance.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Just break both your arms. Is this teen fucking stupid?
MetalMachine@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Mom is being responsible from protecting her children from filth. Respect.
Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
She isn’t. After this lawsuit he will watch porn if he really wants to. She is wasting a bunch of her money for nothing. Money which she could invest in her family but is setting on fire instead.
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
It’s always best to regulate the goldberg’s online businesses.
roserose56@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
beverly goldberg from the Goldberg’s comes into my mind lol
GuyFawkes@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Man fuck that bitch!