It's Breathtaking How Fast AI Is Screwing Up the Education System

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eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
Teachers are overworked, underpaid, some still using course work that hasn’t been updated in years despite what the field has advanced

Students go into college due to the social expectation, some even unsure of what to get into as a career or even a class

Exceeding above the course requirements does nothing for your GPA, an A that got a “110%” and an A that got 90% are the same.

Students failing or passing still rack up debt for this social expectation

Teachers still failing to pay bills for this social need

Yeah AI is the fault here, its not the system at large been fucked over since Reagan.
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orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yes and no. Remember that rich kids could always hire ghost writers. ChatGPT made that available to the masses, but that particular problem goes back centuries.

What we have seen is that the curriculum is often decided by a distant committee who actually doesn’t understand life on the ground. In reality, there are easy ways for teachers to undercut the utility of ChatGPT, if they have the freedom to make changes. But that depends on teachers having control and the time to make changes to how they teach.

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Furbag@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Imagine paying tens of thousands of dollars (probably of their parents saved money) to go to university and have a chatbot do the whole thing for you.

These kids are going to get spit out into a world where they will have no practical knowledge and no ability to critically think or adapt.

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LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
What’s breathtaking is how clueless education system administrators are falling for sales hype and other things. They’ve been screwing up the system for a very long time, and now they have a whole new set of shiny objects to spend your money on.

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tamal3@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Unpopular opinion:

I am a public school teacher and I support public schools, but there have been a lot of issues with our education system for a long time. Talk to any kid with ADHD who had to sit through 12 years, and they are indicative of a larger problem. Our idea of school now is as a place that teaches kids to behave and mostly follow rote instruction. Wouldn’t it be so much better if we were teaching kids to be creative thinkers, work well in groups, problem solve, and think critically about the information they’re getting? We know that’s what school should be, but maybe now we will be forced to go there. Yes, there will be issues like learned helplessness and certain skills being difficult to teach, but it’s kind of exciting too.

Though it’s also possible that public schools will close and only the wealthy kids will be well-educated… can we not, please?

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- ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I wouldn’t call it unpopular because how the education system works in America and several other countries has been a very obvious problem for decades. What we should be teaching is more barometer question
  
  en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barometer_question
  
  The student admitted that he knew the expected “conventional” answer, but was fed up with the professor’s "teaching him how to think … rather than teaching him the structure of the subject.
  
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- AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  only the wealthy kids will be well-educated
  
  You could argue we’re already way too far down this road. Quality of education is very dependent on location. Some of it is rich districts but also richer states. Whatever level of granularity you want, there’s always sone more willing or more able to spend money on better educating their children.
  
  For all its faults, Department of Education was at least trying to set minimum standards for those areas unwilling to invest in a good education system and minimum investments for those unable. We desperately needed to raise this bar, not remove it
  
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  - orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    There is plenty wrong with generative AI as a tool if you think of it in those terms.
    
    I would say that if the depth of analysis is limited to “AI” or “genAI” then use of it in schools is overwhelmingly bad. If that’s the limit of our ability to frame the issue, then banning AI would appear inevitable, and any graded assignment that might encourage AI use should be banned.
    
    But if you want to break things down, you can find specific tools (i.e., calculators, grammar checkers) that could be labeled as AI or specific uses of genAI (i.e., brainstorming) that have use. And it is this latter approach – clearly identifying positive uses – that is difficult for students, media writers, and apparently policy makers to do.
    
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- carrion0409@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  As someone with adhd the public school system was hell. My local community college had a program where you could get your ged and learn a trade so I left my junior year to do that instead. I really wish the public school system was better but sadly people just don’t care enough.
  
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  - Snowclone@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I work with special needs kids in a school district and the amount of access kids with even mild symptoms is atrocious. It’s a huge problem.
    
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- brognak@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Man, I am 38. When I was in highschool I was in an alternative curriculum Math program called IMP, and it is/was literally what your talking about.
  
  Instead of memorizing equations we were instead given a hypothetical situation and learned to solve it socratically both through conversations as a class with the teacher, and in small groups to try and figure out how to solve it. It made me love math so much I almost made it my life, it was literally everything I needed as a severely ADHD teen. Everything was a puzzle to be solved, and when you solved it you gained not just knowledge, but the perspective to know where the knowledge applies.
  
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  - andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    OpenSciEd is a model that teaches science like that. There’s been a ton of pushback from conservatives.
    
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  - Landless2029@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    This is me with coding. Learn the rules. See a problem. Code a solution.
    
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p3n@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Is it really screwing up the education system, or is it just revealing how screwed up it already was?

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- kamen@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Came here to say that. If AI has the leeway to affect things in negative way, then we’re not focusing on the right thongs to begin with. If kids are graded sometimes for the amount of (not necessarily coherent and sound) amount of text they’re able to spit out, this is what you get.
  
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  - Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Not US but I still remember printing off a full page of text, teacher looked at it for less than 5 seconds before giving it a tick. This is all meaningless, no one is reading it, no one cares, nothing matters.
    
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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The corrupt cheapskates trying to nickel and dime every ISD in the country to bankruptcy absolutely fell over one another at the opportunity to fire staff and replace them with Clippy.
  
  Twenty years ago, state officials were all fawning over the idea of turning every university in the country into a pile subscription based Udemy online courses. Ten years ago, letting Pearson hijack the lesson plan of every classroom in the country was the dream. This has been a long time coming.
  
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  - Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    ISD
    
    Imperial Star Destroyer?
    
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happydoors@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Unfortunately, I think many kids could easily approach AI the same way older generations thought of math, calculators, and the infamous “you won’t have a calculator with you everywhere.” If I was a kid today and I knew I didn’t have to know everything because I could just look it up, instantly; I too would become quite lazy. Even if the AI now can’t do it, they are smart enough to know AI in 10 years will. I’m not saying this is right, but I see how many kids would end up there.

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Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
NGL, it’s really f*cking depressing when you give students 30m to create something of their own imagination, and they do it in the first minute with chatGPT and spend the other 29m playing games the phone and asking to “go to the bathroom” whenever they notice someone in the hallway.

The excuses you hear when you do something so oppressive as to request they keep their phones in their own backpacks for the duration of the task.

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- phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I regularly advocate for banning phones from schools but people here in Lemmy (same on Reddit years ago) completely lose their shit with that idea, start talking how that’ll leave them defenseless in an emergency, how it is torture, how they absolutely can’t live without them
  
  Not thirty years ago nobody had cellphones in school, they barely existed, and everything was fine, everyone was fine without and with cellphones I see so much shit going on. Yes, it’s the Future, kids need cellphones, but they also need to learn to be without cellphone, and they need to learn responsible use.
  
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  - WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    honestly a few years ago I didn’t agree with it, but now things are enshittifying so much that it really seems to be the better option now. it’ll unfortunately bar even those from using their phones who would use it for other things than mindless scrolling, using ai chatbots and playing microtransaction and ad filled games, but for the whole class and the whole generation it would be better in the end.
    
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  - mister_flibble@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I mean, I was in high school when the cell phones were largely flip phones and that one nokia brick that could probably survive being run over by a tank and at that point the rule was “nobody gives a shit if it’s in your pocket/in your bag and on silent, but if I see it or if it’s making loud disruptive noises from wherever you’ve got it it’s going in my desk until the bell rings”. That still seems a reasonable middle ground in my opinion. That way, it’s still accessible enough in the event of an actual emergency but not usable otherwise.
    
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  - Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Outright banning them from schools is wrong imo, but if I had to put my phone in a locked box every class, I would’ve lived. I just think banning them outright is bad for needing to contact parents, especially for kids like me who had after school activities often.
    
    My only issue I had with HS teachers were the ones who bitched about people having headphones/earbuds in during class. Obviously I don’t have them in during instruction or group work as that would be disrespectful, but if you’re not at the front of the room talking and we’re doing individual work, I want to have my earbuds in. I had a study block teacher who was so fucking anal about phones and earbuds, when it is literally a fucking break class to do whatever the fuck you want/need to do.
    
    I just really like having music or background noise while doing work.
    
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  - kevin2107@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Plenty of schools do that
    
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  - Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I worked in a school in Asia that actually banned students from bringing their phones to school. One year there was an earthquake in the morning that caused all the trains to stop for half a day while they checked the rails. We were all on our way to the school, got stranded, and some had to walk for hours to get back home. The school got a few calls from parents and the policy was changed the very next week. Now students can bring their phones, but they need to be turned in at the front office when they arrive.
    
    One girl forgot to do it once, so she put her phone her locker. Another earthquake set off the warning alarm system and her phone went off in the hallway. Later that day I saw her getting lectured hard by the staff and the poor thing was in tears. She was actually a good student, so it was weird seeing her in that scenario.
    
    Anyway, I wouldn’t mind the idea of students handing in phones at the front desk, but I was allowed to pack a cd player, a Nokia, and a variety of other devices around my school as a kid. I don’t really see smartphones as being much different, just so long as they are being responsible with them.
    
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  - OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Phones totally need to be reeled in. Stop making a Do it all device. Self discipline and responsibility have been guard railed for years. This 100 percent.
    
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- ramble81@lemm.ee ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Ngl. I bought a signal jammer for my wife to use in her classroom (after all, it said “for educational purposes only”) and the kids could never figure out why the signal sucked so bad in her classroom during class times. She never got caught using it and never had to worry about them being on their phones.
  
  If there was an emergency, people would just call the front office and they could always reach her on the land line in the classroom.
  
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  - eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    Violating federal laws is awesome, everyone should do it.
    
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  - AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    (after all, it said “for educational purposes only”)
    
    The FCC hates this one simple trick
    
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  - tamal3@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Fuck YES (says a middle school teacher)
    
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- dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I was uninterested in school because nothing was ever done to make me interested, even at home.
  
  Later in life I was diagnosed with ADHD and now I’m a software developer. Sadly school isn’t for everybody and I just thought I was stupid and lazy, it turns out I was fine I just needed the right help.
  
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  - RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The “evan at home” part is 100% more important than the school part. Making sure your kid gets educated at school is a parent’s job.
    
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  - interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Well it’s not like you had a choice in the matter and that’s why they don’t care how interested you are. You and the rest of your batch just need to sit still for an hour and a half until you get a break walking to the next boredom session.
    
    I find it quite incredible that I spent 14 years of 40 hours weeks listening to people talk about stuff I did not care about under the assumption that if I didn’t I’d end up homeless so they never tried to make me care.
    
    Fortunately we had a computer at home to learn about the stuff I actually cared about.
    
    I find it crushing that they’re still making students sit and listen about this boring useless shit when they can just ask their phones about whatever they’d be trying to do if they weren’t listening to a course plan from the 1800s about completely obsolete and irrelevant things.
    
    How can this incredibly important phase of life be so hopelessly poisoned by school for absolutely no reasons at all.
    
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- OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You gave them a task, they used their imagination to apply it, in a different way than you expected, by using a new tool which is a non traditional method you asked for but the task still got completed. They still loosely completed the task 30 times ahead of schedule by using their imagination on how to constructively solve your problem, utilizing a tool in their imaginary bag.
  
  I don’t think it’s wrecking the system, the system fails people everyday. I think it’s changing the traditional paradigm. Maybe for the better, maybe not. Time will tell. I think ChatGPT is a tool in its infancy. It’s changing the way minds think fundamentally like for isntance critical thinking skills decline by relying on “AI” but it frees up the mind to grow in other ways to adjust to the new paradigm.
  
  I think the true point here is fear from breaking traditional values. Humans have never accelerated faster with current technology thats with or without LLM usage.
  
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  - Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨27⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    You’re not wrong, but the difference is that they came up with a creative solution to avoid the task, not a creative solution to engage the task. If I ask them follow up questions to explain their thoughts and reasoning behind their own work, I get deer in the headlights.
    
    Now, I think the tide is rising with AI and it’s sink or swim if you’re a teacher, so it’s better to just learn what AI is and how to leverage it no matter what people think of it, or if I’m even getting paid for my effort.
    
    A different approach I’m considering is embracing AI for teenage groups and changing the format of the course entirely so there’s more interaction (incorporating AI) than production. I’ll be the first at my school to do it, but I’m also the only person there who could tell you what the fediverse is.
    
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- MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  One proposed Florida law I actually agree with is: phones off during school - all of school, including between classes and recess. Possible exception for lunchtime. Definite exception for when the teacher is specifically using the phones as a fully engaged teaching tool, which should be no more than 20% of overall classroom time, but definitely could be used as a way to “grab attention.”
  
  I get wanting to be able to track little Ginny and make sure she got to school O.K. and know when to go meet the bus to pick her up.
  
  There should definitely be “Cybersafety” education in our schools, and the phone as a teaching tool definitely makes sense there.
  
  Having AI write the first draft of your assignment can be a good lesson too, but the remaining 28 minutes should be spent understanding and refining what the AI has given you.
  
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- roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  If your school is not supporting teachers with a cell phone policy you should try to find another place to teach and tell them exactly why when you leave.
  
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  - Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I don’t care that much. I live on an island and most of my “students” are actually just tourists pretending they’re there for educational purposes.
    
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- SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I can’t imagine dealing with a room full of kids, especially ones with phone addictions.
  
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  - Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Well it’s better than them throwing things at each other like we used to do, I suppose.
    
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- Wrrzag@lemmy.ml ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Can’t you just make them turn off the computers/phones and do it by hand?
  
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  - drasglaf@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    This gives me flashbacks. I had to take Java exams with pen and paper. They took 6+ hours. The reason? Not enough computers for everyone and our teacher wasn’t willing to make 2 different exams, like every other fucking teacher does.
    
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  - Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    When I need them to, I do, but then suddenly everyone starts needing to go to the bathroom way more frequently.
    
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- makyo@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Is there not a way to plan the assignment so that it’s not doable in 1m with ChatGPT?
  
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  - Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s possible, but it takes time and effort to prepare, and I’m not getting paid at home, so I’m reluctant to do it.
    
    You could offer the students a choice: no AI and a 5 slide presentation, or allow AI but with a 15 slide presentation, then let them decide. AI makes work more efficient for us, so if we can be 3x more productive, I should expect 3x more product.
    
    I taught an ESL group once. One of the girls, around 15-17, plastered a bunch of ChatGPT text on the slide and sat the whole period on her phone. When it was her group’s turn, she quickly realized the position she put herself in as she was now in at the front of the class trying to sound out a wall of high-level English words she’d never heard before. I gave her the standard score because, even though she failed the task, she tried really hard to read out all those difficult words and I thought that was probably more work than anyone else had done.
    
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- Pirata@lemm.ee ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Because school is boring, that’s why.
  
  Most people don’t need to learn beyond the fourth grade, especially because calculators and now chatGPT exist.
  
  And I say this as someone who wasted his time all the way up to a Master’s degree just to show society I too followed the beaten path. It’s time I’ll never get back.
  
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  - shoo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Good god, if you went through an entire education and don’t realize how fucked of a take that is I don’t know what to say. Go try again at a different school maybe?
    
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astro_ray@piefed.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
TBH, I'd AI can screw up the education system so fast then it is the fault in the education system. AI is bad, but our education system is not good either.

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- givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  but our education system is not good either.
  
  No Child Left Behind has fucked us for over 20 years…
  
  People are blaming these college kids, but their entire k-12 was under No Child, they were never taught critical thinking, what the fuck are they supposed to do? No one ever taught these kids to think for themselves.
  
  We failed an entire generation, and it’s too late to fix it for them now, the best we can do is fix it for the kids that will start public education in a few years.
  
  But we’ll be paying the price for decades
  
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  - danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Like all things republican, you ruin the public service, then tell everybody we need to get rid of this public service cause only the free market can provide that service in good quality.
    
    Vouchers will save us our children!
    
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  - taladar@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I would go further back than that. Our entire education system has failed to adapt to the fact that rote memorization is not the most important form of learning and that any question that could be answered in a multiple choice manner is not really worth asking to verify if someone understood the taught material.
    
    We have an education system that has failed to adapt to the easy availability of references which should have resulted in a focus on teaching a “skeleton” of knowledge to students since the exact details can always be looked up as long as you know the information exists and how to interpret it (e.g. you don’t need to memorize which element carbon is and how much it weighs, you need to understand what an element is and what important properties of chemical elements are).
    
    We have an education system that failed to adapt to the availability of video recording which would have meant it would be easy to have every student understanding the same language watch the most engaging individuals instead of the average ones, presenting the content in a way designed by entire teams of top teachers, falling back on the average ones only for the interactive parts of education.
    
    We have an education system that still struggles with the teacher for a subject as a single source of failure, both in terms of absence and in terms of that teacher not being very compatible in their explanations with the way specific students think instead of having some kind of online forum or matching of teacher to student for one on one questions in a more flexible manner.
    
    We have an education system that still rigidly adheres to categories like physics, chemistry, mathematics, languages, history, geography,… designed in the 19th century for its degrees even though many jobs require more flexible mixes of knowledge and many also require learning for the entire life, not just at the start.
    
    Students today learn for exams a few days before they happen, then purge that knowledge again a few days or hours afterwards.
    
    There are many, many things wrong with our education system and we failed to even acknowledge that there are possible alternatives.
    
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  - LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s ok, they dismantled the department of education. Surely the states can figure it out!
    
    looks over at Oklahoma
    
    …fuck
    
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- hansolo@lemm.ee ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This 100%.
  
  The education system was not OK, and has not been for a while. Its main goal is limiting liability, not educating kids.
  
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  - Placebonickname@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I will take limiting liability and running with it. Not just the schools, but the kids and parents too no one wants to be responsible and step up to fix the problem.
    
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- FoxyFerengi@lemm.ee ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  One of my professors had an AI policy. Using AI for an outline or to find resources was okay, as long as it was cited with the exact prompt used. I think having rules for how to use AI on her assignments actually cut down on use compared to professors who outright banned it.
  
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  - spamfajitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Sounds kinda similar to how Wikipedia was approached by instructors. I remember an English teacher proudly proclaiming she had participated in a “Kill Wikipedia” seminar at a convention. Just a few years later, they’re instructing students on how to properly use Wikipedia as a starting point and not a primary source.
    
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- Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I’m literally teaching a course to teachers on how to use AI in the classroom so that the students don’t use it as their magical answer dispenser.
  
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  - Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    What are the headline recommendations?
    
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WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
That’s going to be great fun when the AI bubble pops and the subscription prices go up exponentially.

On the other hand, there have been other opinions about education that say it should be about making or researching something. Give a student a goal and let them figure it out using chatbots or whatever.

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- ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That sounds like a way to make a generation of students wholly reliant on AI. People are going to still need to know how to do stuff in the future and not just how to request the answers to things from somewhere else.
  
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  - ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    (Disclaimer: this is not a fully formed counter-argument to your statement, merely my thought-vomit).
    
    As a kid growing up in the 90’s you wouldn’t believe the amount of times my parents and teachers vehemently insisted to me that I MUST do dictionary lookup drills because there’s no way I would just always have access to an electronic dictionary in my pocket. I was also told that I absolutely HAD to be fast at paper-based multiplication and long division. It’s not like I would just carry a calculator around with me everywhere I go, that would be insane!
    
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- interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  If students did useful things, self directed things, were allowed to discover and create, can you imagine how ducking crazy that would be ? Imagine if we didn’t largely waste the bulk of everyone’s youth on boring 1800s style lecturing toiling in mass education factories ?
  
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SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Going to have generations of people unable to think analytically or creatively, and just as bad, entering fields that require a real detailed knowledge of the subject and they don’t. Going to see a lot of fuck ups in engineering, medicine, etc because of people faking it.

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- August27th@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I am having flashbacks to the scene in Idiocracy where the doctor is talking about his wife.
  
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Norin@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I teach at a community college. I see a lot of AI nonsense in my assignments.

So much so that I’m considering blue book exams for the fall.

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- Gloria@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  For anyone who is also not from the US:
  
  A blue book exam is a type of test administered at many post-secondary schools in the United States. Blue book exams typically include one or more essays or short-answer questions. Sometimes the instructor will provide students with a list of possible essay topics prior to the test itself and will then choose one or let the student choose from two or more topics that appear on the test.
  
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- MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I have a friend who has taught Online university writing for the past 10 years. Her students are now just about 100% using AI - her goal isn’t to get them to stop, it’s to get them to recognize what garbage writing is and how to fix it so it isn’t garbage anymore.
  
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sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
I love that this guy is in an Ivy League school to meet his ‘co-founder’, when it’s hard to believe that someone that knows nothing and is intellectually incurious could ever found anything of value.

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Artisian@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Honest question: how do we measure critical thinking and creativity in students?

If we’re going to claim that education is being destroyed (and show we’re better than our great^n grandparents complaining about the printing press), I think we should try to have actual data instead of these think-pieces and anecdata from teachers. Every other technology that the kids were using had think-pieces and anecdata.

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- Artisian@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  As far as I can tell, the strongest data is wrt literacy and numeracy, and both of those are dropping linearly with previous downward trends from before AI, am I wrong? We’re also still seeing kids from lockdown, which seems like a much more obvious ‘oh that’s a problem’ than the AI stuff.
  
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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Honest question: how do we measure critical thinking and creativity in students?
  
  The only serious method of evaluating critical thinking and creativity is through peer evaluation. But that’s a subjective scale thick with implicit bias, not a clean and logical discrete answer. It’s also not something you can really see in the moment, because true creativity and critical thinking will inevitably produce heterodox views and beliefs.
  
  I think we should try to have actual data instead of these think-pieces and anecdata from teachers.
  
  I agree that we’re flush with think-pieces. Incidentally, the NYT Op-Ed section has doubled in size over the last few years.
  
  But that’s sort of the rub. You can’t get a well-defined answer to the question “Is Our Children Creative-ing?” because we only properly know it by the fruits of the system. Comically easy to walk into a school with a creative writing course and scream about how this or that student is doing creativity wrong. Comically easy to claim a school is Marxist or Fascist or too Pro/Anti-Religion or too banal and mainstream by singling out a few anecdotes in order to curtail the whole system.
  
  The fundamental argument is that this kind of liberal arts education is wasteful. It doesn’t yield real tangible economic value. So we need to abolish it in order to become more efficient.
  
  And that’s what we’re creating. A society that is laser-focused on making economic numbers go up, without stopping to ask whether a larger GDP actually benefits anyone living in the country where all this fiscal labor is performed.
  
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pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
My my university (California State University system) has some chatgpt school partnership now.

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db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

The cynical view of America’s educational system—that it is merely a means by which privileged co-eds can make the right connections, build “social capital,” and get laid—is obviously on full display here.

Cynical? I call that realistic. That’s what privileged co-eds have been using it for the past 100 years.

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- Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  more like 200
  
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SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I’m thinking the only way people will be able to do schoolwork without cheating now is going to be to make them sit in a monitored room and finish it there.

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- dejpivo@lemmings.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  How is this kind of testing relevant anymore? Isn’t it creating an unrealistic situation, given the brave new world of AI everywhere?
  
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- ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I really hope I’m dead before we have androids.
  
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vane@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Produce army of people that rely on corporate products to stay alive. What can go wrong ?

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- Goltbrook@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I reckon we have reached that state for a long time.
  
  The vast majority of people would have a pretty hard time without food logistics, utilities, medical treatments, pharmaceuticals. The list goes on.
  
  All of which are provided by corporations of some form or another.
  
  Something something about civilization being 5 warm meals away from collapse.
  
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Suavevillain@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The fact people can’t even use their own common sense on Twitter without using AI for context shows we are in a scary place. AI is not some all knowing magic 8 ball and puts out a ton of misinformation.

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HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
How are other countries handling it? I can’t imagine AI being an American only education issue.

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paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I work in higher education making online courses. It’s really stressing everyone out.

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AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

The story, which involves interviews with a host of current undergraduates, is full of anecdotes like the one that involves Chungin “Roy” Lee, a transfer to Columbia University who used ChatGPT to write the personal essay that got him through the door

Students are turning in work they didn’t perform as their own? How novel!

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Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Student: AI, write my thesis for me!

Prof: AI, was this thesis written by AI?

AI: yes, of course, you poor human!

Prof: …shrug…

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corroded@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This has always seemed overblown to me. If students want to cheat on their coursework, who cares? As long as exams are given in a controlled environment, it’s going to be painfully obvious who actually studied the material and who had ChatGPT do it for them. Re-taking a course is not going to be fun or cheap.

Maybe I’m oversimplifying this, but it feels like proctored testing solves the entire problem.

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tamal3@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
My point is that it’s a somewhat outdated skill, and these kids have enough to figure out without the encumbrance of a paper dictionary. Most of my kids have never used one before, and yes, I can show them how to use it, but it’s not a functional testing accommodation. Testing accommodations should not include learning skills that are only tangentially related, especially not when there is a reasonable alternative.

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chunes@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Oh no, maybe teachers will have to put effort into their students beyond assigning homework that an AI can do.

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SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Congrats you are now the old person saying “young bad”

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toastmeister@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The teacher uses a PowerPoint and multiple choice tests to depict fake effort at teaching, the students use AI to depict fake effort at learning. I see nothing wrong here.

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homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
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