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  • Sneptaur@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    China doesn’t need TikTok to get your data. They can just buy it from data brokers, lol.

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    • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Or sell you ads AND not have to pay for it, while also influencing us algorithmically directly. If that’s even the case, that is, which, who even fucking knows anymore. And I’m not even sure we needed tiktok to be pissed at wrongdoings everywhere, including Chinese government wrongdoings. Honestly, tiktok’s algorithm is better than basically any other algorithmic app right now, save for the fact that it obviously is getting very up to date information through my phone somehow.

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  • NONE_dc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have a Xiaomi phone. They already know everything about me.

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    • TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My gf had xiaomi once. Had the visit the doctors a lot before it cleared up.

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      • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Haha this joke is funny because foreigners have funny words and sound stupid

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    • Corn@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean I’d rather China know everything about me than America, since as an American citizen, America is a much bigger threat.

      But lets be honest, whether I get an iphone, samsung, or huawei, both countries are going to have all my data.

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      • NONE_dc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Facts

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    • nope@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You could change ROM. Then the software wouldn’t spy on you anymore

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      • NONE_dc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I could, but how phones work with respect to PCs has always seemed very complicated to me and I don’t want to screw up my phone.

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    • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Tell me, did I have a fever dream about this or does Xiaomi actually have ads in their settings and system apps?

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      • NONE_dc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It isn’t a dream, more like a nightmare.

        I mean, they can be disabled, but it is pain in the ass to do so.

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      • Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Not that I’ve seen. The only annoying thing is this weird Wallpaper Carousel they keep wanting me to use

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  • modifier@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Can I just brag for a moment? I feel like I am among my people, and there is a little lesson at the end.

    to calibrate: White dude in my 40s, nerdy by nature but non-technical in my education/employment

    Twitter - signed up in the early 2000s when it first came out, pretty much stopped using by 2011

    Facebook - signed up in the early 2000s when it first got big, pretty much stopped using by 2011, deleted my abandoned account last year

    Google +, I’m sure I never signed up, but I had an account that I never used. Google being google negated me ever having to contemplate whether or not I would ever use it

    Snapchat - never used

    TikTok - never used

    Instagram - never used

    Are there others? I don’t know.

    Reddit was the only “social media” I ever used for a sustained period of time and the only one where I felt part of any sort of community. I left reddit in June of 2023 when I made this account and I’ve never been back.

    So, in many ways, I am successfully resisting/avoiding “the algorithm” and I am a good example of high media literacy with good resistance to manipulation by social media.

    But, just to emphasize why community itself is so valuable and worthy of exploitation by techbros, here are life changes I’ve made since joining Lemmy, even without any algorithms or dark patterns. Not that Lemmy is strictly causal in all of these, but the relationship is there:

    • I am now making my way through TNG, and am generally more Trek-literate

    • Linux, natch

    • Cancelled all streaming services (honestly most ‘subscription services’) in favor of a NAS running Plex (for now, will probably move to Jellyfin), Calibre, AudioBookshelf, Immich, Joplin, NextCloud, etc, etc, etc

    • Now using Steam Deck as my daily driver for gaming

    In other words, though I prize my independent thinking and avoidance of Big Cloud, and though I think all of these are positive changes representing a positive influence, I am clearly impressionable. And so are you.

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    • Justdaveisfine@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It seems like you got your taste of social media, decided you were essentially done with it and moved on.

      I am just about in the same boat, I feel social media doesn’t offer me much that I value, and so I have been looking elsewhere.

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      • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        My only use for social media is finding a $30 push mower or used TVs on marketplace.

        Other than that, the content around most social media sites is mostly a slurry of bullshit mixed with Ai, so… waste of time, mostly.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I never even signed up for Twitter.

      The modern internet makes me want to live in a cave and grow moss.

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      • modifier@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That isn’t an accident.

        There is this insight that I remember reading about internet scams, that they are poor quality with lots of misspelling by design. According to what I’ve read, this acts as a useful filter: If you’re smart enough to pick up on things like misspellings, we don’t want to waste our time scamming you.

        That is now essentially the entire ethos of the modern internet.

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    • slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I was once working for a company that wanted to post pictures online. They had the option to opt out, so there is no picture or a blurr or whatever. I was the only one who had no picture and they didn’t like that, they didn’t ecpect that anyone would check that mark. They pressured me to have that picture there. I didn’t even really care tbh, i just checked it because i could. They told me that i have puctures online anyway and it doesn’t matter. I told them that if they find a single picture of me online, they could use that. I have no social media, no pictures online and nothing. They were quite disappointed

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      • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “Now, you know it’s up to you whether or not you want to just do the bare minimum. Or… well, like Brian, for example, has thirty seven pieces of flair, okay. And a terrific smile.”

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    • Ketchup@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wow, I just read my own use bio. Exactly down to the T. Except still on OSX and I am using infuse instead of plex jelly fin. But all other use patterns are identical.

      I’d say. I never posted on reddit though. Just a lurker. On lemmy, I post :)

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    • chunes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Got you beat. I’ve never used any social media except for reddit (if that counts). I also have never used a smart phone.

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      • modifier@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Many props to you. I feel like reddit doesn’t count as social media, but I couldn’t energetically defend that position. They are certainly engaging in social media tech bro behavior, so the distinction probably doesn’t matter at this point, but it felt different than social media before it went to shit. Now, obviously when it “went to shit” is a point in time that is highly relative to the observer, but always sometime after the observer joined, which is an artifact of enshittification.

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    • vodka@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      twitter early 2000s

      2006 counts as early 2000s and not mid 2000s?

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      • modifier@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There is a lot of heated debate about this. They’re saying due to COVID, that “early” can mean anything from 0-8 now, which obviously I don’t understand but what can you do? They are saying it.

        I must assume from your helpful correction that 2006 is the actual year twitter came out but even then I literally cannot be arsed to look that up on purpose because, I cannot stress this enough, I very much do not care about social media, as per my comment. So if you say 2006, that is what we’re going with.

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    • Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Steam has an algorithm feeding you game suggestions

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      • modifier@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        yeah and I gobble that shit up like candy.

        I am not immune, and I don’t find all algorithms predatory - for example, I log on knowing that steam is selling me a product, but I am not the product. I just said in many ways I am successfully avoiding “the algorithm”, though the scare quotes immediately following a run down of social media networks was meant to indicate a specific type of algorithm that is meant to induce engagement or enragement (both are profitable) and change my behavior because I am the product.

        I still have plenty of time for algorithms that serve me up games for that crucial 15% of my library that I bought but haven’t played yet.

        One thing at a time Maxxie.

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  • FourWaveforms@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I already get the same thing from the YouTube app which won’t shut the fuck up about Shorts

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    • teamevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Uninstalling that app was a game changer…so much better on browser with unblock origin running.

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      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Fr if something works in browser I will never use the app.

        Some exceptions for things which require better encryption.

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      • HollowNaught@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Uuuuuse a foss youtube frontend wooooooo like freetube woooooooooo…

        (Insert other ghostly noises)

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    • FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      YouTube shorts are fantastic. You have to be into misogyny though.

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      • rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        My shorts are just cats and dogs acting silly and the rare REPO clip…

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      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I sign out to view shorts, clear site data, then manually search a couple of “seed” videos I like to get the algorithm picking out new stuff.

        It won’t even show you anything unless you have some viewing history. It’s just straight up broken for people who have had accounts for many years.

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    • propaganja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Check out revanced.app. You’re welcome.

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      • FourWaveforms@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Neato

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    • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t get Shorts. I can’t watch them on my PlayStation, if I click on one on the phone app it’ll disconnect the PlayStation and force me to watch it on my phone.

      If you try to upload a video that is less than a minute long, it forces you to do Shorts.

      I also don’t get why opening up a community thread or something pauses the video I’m watching on the PlayStation.

      I’ve also noticed lately that when I connect the phone app with the PlayStation, about 30% of the time, the video will play extremely slow without sound. I have to close and reboot the YouTube app on the PlayStation to watch anything afterwards.

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      • FourWaveforms@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sounds like a bunch of shit if you ask me!

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  • alekwithak@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    More like Buys the same data from Meta but okay.

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    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And if I don’t use facebook?

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      • alekwithak@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Then they still have a profile on you.

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  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • REDACTED@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s kinda dissapointing that the world is going from “we should care about our data or privacy” to “why/what’s the point”.

      Giving up on this also means privacy focused software is going to become more and more “not worth the effort” for devs.

      Huge win for everyone who wants to manipulate you

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    • Cantaloupe877@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They gonna buy my data anyways so…

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  • drathvedro@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you even have a phone then Google, the phone’s manufacturer, your ISP, the NSA and their respective governments already know everything about you.

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    • VitabytesDev@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But if China has your data, then it is bad. If the U.S government has your data then it’s fine, right?

      /s

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    • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can very well fragment what each one knows, and keep certain ones from knowing more.

      Google knows I use Android, but the phone I’m holding is running a custom rom without gapps on a private dns server I run over a private vpn that I host on the other side of the Earth.

      But, I admit, I’m not as thorough as I should be, one login and a few comments without paying absolute attention to a VPN connection and the veil is pierced.

      I could start over, only come here over layers upon layers of obfuscation, but I’m no serial killer, so, meh. At least they don’t know what I’m doing all the time, 24/7, 365…

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      • drathvedro@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not just gapps, though. Search, gtags/adsense, youtube, maps, etc are all so pervasive that google effectively controls the internet. You can try run ublock and a plethora of privacy addons, but those are only effective as long as Google is playing nice. Others, like Yandex, are not, and they defeat all those with ease.

        Though I’d say running custom rom is an exception from the rule, along with people running with dumb or even no phone, but those are not but a blip on a big picture.

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    • comfy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My ISP doesn’t even know I’m downloading communism 🏴‍☠️

      Only one of those entities could realistically deduce I’m making this post, and there’s no reason for them to care. Not that I’m particularly relevant to Western governments anyway. ¡Hola!

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  • anas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Never used TikTok, but I’m not going to pretend that China (and pretty much every other government if it wants it) has access to my data, there isn’t much I can do about it at this point.

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  • Binturong@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Heh, nice. Now do American corporations.

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    • Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Haha I never downloaded chrome so now google spies on me only through maps, youtube, email, my friends’ email, and android. Also chromebooks if I am a highschooler.

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    • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Your turn, Captain Noposts!

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  • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No wörries I still had a Huawei for several years and still use the Huawei health app.

    So I’m pretty sure China could — if they had any interest in — know literally my very heartbeat.

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    • epicstove@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Health apps scare me. Idfc where it’s from.

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      • nun@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Like on a meta level maybe, but why do you think China or anyone else cares about something like your heart rate or workout habits?

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      • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m ideologically against, but personally, I’m not bothered. Like I do not believe in the bullshit “nothing to hide nothing to fear” rhetoric, I’m very much against it.

        But like personally, I’m not really bothered if they know when I have a wank, tbh.

        I am worried with what they do with all the data they have, I just don’t think anyone is interested in me personally and if they were, I’d kinda take it as a compliment tbh.

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    • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      🤢

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  • TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    China a perfect communist motherland that doesn’t need anyones secrets!

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    • abbadon420@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, I also live China and their all-seeing government.

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  • thal3s@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Unpopular Opinion: You folks are missing out.

    TikTok is home to some of the most hardcore leftists you’ve ever seen and has content about how to fix our current fascism problem that’ll get you banned on Meta instantly.

    It’s also a great to see what real people are taking about since they’re walking down the street or in their cars speaking as a genuine human.

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    • Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No thanks. Lemmy isn’t great by any means but social media is poison and a direct cause of the current state of affairs

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    • mriormro@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lol, yeah no thanks. Tiktok isn’t reality.

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    • xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I already have Mastodon for that which is almost entirely made up of transfem devs

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    • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Diamonds in a sea of diarrhea.

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  • MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Better to get your data spied on by China than by the USA who might share it with your home country 👀

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  • culprit@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    TikTok

    TeleMessage

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  • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I mean, I have it installed, but I have it installed in a “sandbox” (Co-opting androids work profile feature) I use Insular

    But looking now, it seems it hasn’t been updated in a year so I might have to look for an alternative soon if it has issues when I upgrade to Android 16 lol

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  • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    US tiktok data has been hosted by Oracle on their own servers on US soil for several years now, China doesn’t have access to it. Also they can and do just buy your user data from US companies. If you don’t like Tiktok then you don’t have to use it, but fear of Chinese surveillance is a stupid reason to avoid the app.

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  • dephyre@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Big brain move, let’s make them buy our data from someone else. 🙌

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They still know your name, phone number, relationships, and every piece of info ever supplied to or from you in a text message going back as far as it is recorded on every phone which has ever downloaded the app. Your mother, your brother, your sister, your ex.

    It’s a cruel and terrible world for those who aren’t ignorant.

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  • Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    tankies devestated

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  • nun@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    haha yeah that’s stopping them

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  • straightjorkin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    More like “keep your nazis”. The place is fucking infested and every report comes back with “no violation” for literal double lightning bolts and posting that one anti-semetic wojak.

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  • PillowTalk420@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I like some of the content, but will not download the app either. I mostly just want to talk to other people anyway. The funny pictures and videos are just a bonus.

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  • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I wonder what the proportional value is of all the actionable data that’s ever been extracted from date lakes versus the cost of gathering it all. Probably not even as good as people think given the difficulty of evaluating that as a metric.

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  • mo_lave@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Teleporno: Tell me where is Godric? For I much desire to know his secrets.

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