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Who should america be more concerned about MS-13 or Russia?

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

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  • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Considering Russia kind of just put the final nail in the coffin for your democracy, probably Russia

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  • Eggscellent@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I guess it depends on how many nuclear weapons MS-13 has.

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  • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Americans should be concerned about Trump and his goons first and foremost - the “homegrown” criminal gang.

    Seriously, had you heard about MS-13 before Trump?

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    • Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Americans should be concerned about Trump and his goons first and foremost

      Soooooooo…. You’re saying Russia then.

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      • Venator@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yeah but taking out Putin won’t help as much now.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Yes

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      • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Ms-13, Isis, Blm and that was fox news

        E-xactly.

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    • GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Glorifying gang culture was really popular in the 90’s-2000’s so I was definately slightly aware of ms-13 from someplace. Maybe law and order or some other show mentioned it. I was never really aware of DT until he ran for president.

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  • swordgeek@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Trump.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      We count that as russia.

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  • Zoldyck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Trump, GOP, MAGA > Russia > China > MS-13

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    • DancingBear@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      You forgot israel

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      • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Threats to the US

        A lapdog isn’t a threat except to reputation, even if they’re not on your side. Same reason North Korea isn’t on the list of threats.

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  • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Russia, biggest mafia in the world, and also funds White supremecist/right wing groups all over the worlds.

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    • tfm@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      And US presidents

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      • ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        And Brexit, people think. Russia is dangerous to the whole of the world.

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  • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I don’t see a MS-13 hand shoved firmly up Trump’s ass, so…

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  • ieatpwns@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Russia

    Ms-13 hasn’t made it to the White House

    Russia has

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    • CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Sad but true

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  • cerement@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    • international: Russia (and their puppet, Trump)
    • domestic: we have enough racist, fascist domestic terrorists (ex. Proud Boys, Patriot Front, etc., etc.) that pose far more of a threat to the US than MS-13
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    • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The only other time I had ever heard of MS-13 was the psyopathic rantings of a former cop I worked with briefly. Hmmm… wonder why they aren’t a cop anymore?

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      ironically russia also fund those white supremecy groups to, they have been known to, sow division in the us, and other countries.

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  • bluegreenwookie@bookwormstory.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Idk anything about ms 13 so I can’t try to assess them as a threat. But I have a hard time imagining a gang or terror group coming close to russia in terms of threat to Americans

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    • Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I find it peculiar we never heard about ms-13 until a few months ago (at most).

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      • didnt1able@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        One of my best friends came from el Salvador. They fled because of the gang violence, I’ve known her since we were about 12. She was the one who told me about MS13. But it wasn’t something that was mainstream media worthy because it was a big issue there.

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      • CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        It depends on the media you consume. This is no doubt a blind spot to most liberal media consumers, but conservative media has covered MS-13, sometimes extensively, especially in the months leading up to the 2024 POTUS election. We also heard about TdA, Tren de Aragua, in no small part because of Jose Ibarra, who raped & murdered Laken Riley.

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  • jewbacca117@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Well my retirement isn’t down because of ms-13

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Gangs are bad. Thing is, you don’t fight gangs with military you fight them with relief. Gangs thrive on the hurt and the suffering. If you relieve the hurt and suffering poverty causes you destroy the gangs ability to recruitm

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  • sith@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Russia. MS-13 is nothing in comparison. Though it wouldn’t surprise me if Russia supports MS-13 as part of their hybrid warfare. That’s how they work.

    Understand that Russia has largely been able to put US to its knees through hybrid methods that utilize and enhance the negative effects of american arrogance, neoliberal dogmatism and the war on drugs. Trump is the final stage before the empire comes down. It’s probably too late to turn the ship around by now. China + EU is already the facto world leaders and the US is doing everything to destroy itself and there is no real political anf economical self-awareness among people with power.

    The US should have started to decrease inequality, stop the war on drugs and enforced (sane) tariffs and migration policies 15 years ago. The EU has the same problems, but there isn’t the same level of inequality and political extremism and fundamentalism, which makes me believe that the EU will survive as a western democracy and relevant world player, but the US will not.

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  • KMAMURI@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    They should be concerned about the dictator problem they have and nothing else right now.

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  • nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Depends on context. If the context is “planning a holiday in El Salvador”, maybe MS-13 is relevant. Beyond being worried about impact on others’ lives, MS-13 is largely irrelevant to Americans and most people that I’ve encountered never heard of them before 2016.

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    • Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
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      • CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Don’t forget the border state of Colorado.

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  • Diva@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    MS-13 or Russia

    neither of those are real concerns tbh. Americans should be concerned about housing, feeding and providing medical care to everyone before worrying about external threats.

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    • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Russia is affecting those things in the us though. Maybe if the gop weren’t in russias pocket you’d be more on point.

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      • Diva@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Russia is affecting those things in the us though.

        People being unhoused, going hungry and without healthcare is bipartisan consensus in the US and Russia has nothing to do with that.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Fair

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  • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Israel.

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    • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The death toll from Israel supporting Americans exponentially dwarfs the number of Americans harmed by MS-13.

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  • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    That’s a joke right? MS-13 isn’t trying to invade Ukraine.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Not a joke, apparently, read the other comments.

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      • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Okay, I read them. What’s your point? What are your intentions? Put me down for Russia ig.

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  • xc2215x@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Russia.

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  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The US has threatened Russia for last 80 years. At increased levels in last 20 years. Forcing Russia to defend itself in last 3 years has made it stronger. There is absolute blowback danger from Russia, that can extend to nuclear destruction, but it as fully self inflicted as going around zoinking Grizzly bears’ tails. Foreign national threats to US are entirely the result of US evil, and US desperation is making it worse.

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    • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Ah yes. You must be the common clay of the new west.

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  • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Ah this point?

    You’re own bloody country

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  • Liberteez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    We should be concerned about both.

    The Latin American gang crisis is real. Biden wanted to tackle it, and Congress said no. They have funding from c#ina to create issues at our border to destabilize us.

    Of course, every single arrested person deserves due process. Many are being targeted maliciously right now under false pretenses.

    Ruzzia is of course the greater threat. They are also very weak right now. Their victory with US sabotage is honestly their biggest win in decades, and their other fronts are utter failures. But their cruelty and focus on our demise has resulted in a surgical counterintelligence strike that will forever harm American life much moreso that the Latin American gangs.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      They have funding from c#ina to create issues at our border to destabilize us.

      This is literally just MAGA conspiracy theory

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    • cerement@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The Latin American Los Angeles gang crisis is real.

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  • Tronn4@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Republicans and some democrats

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    One of them is a heavily armed criminal gang which operates locally and engages in violent crime, murder, and human trafficking, the other is somewhere on the other side of the world and currently fairly busy expending massive amounts of military resources trying to occupy a few provinces of a neighboring country.

    This feels like asking if you should be more worried about domestic rattlesnakes or lions in Africa.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      So your position is russia raises no threat to America. I’ll write that one down.

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      • remotelove@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        No, that is not what he said at all.

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I wouldn’t say none whatsoever, but comparatively little. They’re already engaged in a fairly high stakes military operation costing them massive amounts of resources and manpower every year and constantly teetering on the edge of triggering a NATO involvement. Yeah they have nukes, but if they really wanted an all-out war, don’t you think they would have dropped one already?

        I’d say chances are very low. First of all, the US likely has a capable early warning system and the ability to intercept a nuclear warhead in-flight, and second, the potential retaliation would likely be horrifying and not worth the risk. Worrying about armed criminal gang members who are already in the country seems to be a lot more sensible to me because they pose a more immediate threat.

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    • Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      It’s cute that you think they’re all on the other side of the world. You must feel very safe.

      I envy you.

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      • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I haven’t heard of any armed, violent Russian criminal gangs operating on US territory in recent years, so yeah, I’m less worried about them than the ones that are known to operate here.

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  • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    China. Military has been gearing up to defend Taiwan for years and the intervention has been moved up to only 2 years from now.

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  • PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Red Scare or “duh ill-e-gulls”

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Red scare was about communism.

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